A Computer That Will Destroy WoW

[Aelexe]

First up, many apologies if this is in the wrong forum or site entirely, and I appreciate any help you guys are willing to impart on me =).

Recently my computer of three years has died, having struggled to keep up with the intense experience that is running 25 man raids in World of Warcraft.

Now I wish to purchase a computer that can handle said raids with atleast 35fps and here are my two choices.

http://www.playtech.co.nz/product.php?action=showdetail&id=8233
http://www.playtech.co.nz/product.php?action=showdetail&id=8238

What I'm concerned with is:
A - Ghz, I know what this means but I have no idea what the exact values are, and how much of a difference 0.2 will make to my fps in WoW.
B - The difference between a slightly slower quad and a tri core. Not only that but how it will effect WoW. From what I've heard WoW doesn't utilise multiple cores very well and so it's possible a slower tri core would be alot better for it.

Sorry if I sound like a noob but it'd be an entirely honest view of me =P.

Thanks in advance =).

 

[TheLaughingMan]

Neither of those will maintain 35 FPS everywhere in WoW. I don't play the game, but I understand some areas will just give you shit frame rate.

I do know two things about WoW, it is CPU depended. While you always want to get as much graphical power as possible, the CPU has some say in the frame rate (mainly clock speed).

Of the two, http://www.playtech.co.nz/product.php?action=showdetail&id=8233 should be your pick, easy. It has more graphical horse power, the X3 720 games better because of the L3 cache, and the extra 200 Mhz will help with 2 to 5 frames per second if my friend's rig response to an slight OC is normal.

With that computer, you should get 45+ in most area's, 35+ during large scale battles, and 20 to 25 in that town or whatever where the graphics die. All on Mid to high settings with AA on 2x.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

Sorry for the double post, but I have been informed I am required by unwritten law to say the following.

Dude, you can build that computer yourself for cheaper than what they are charging you.

 

[driver66]

First up, many apologies if this is in the wrong forum or site entirely, and I appreciate any help you guys are willing to impart on me =).

Recently my computer of three years has died, having struggled to keep up with the intense experience that is running 25 man raids in World of Warcraft.

Now I wish to purchase a computer that can handle said raids with atleast 35fps and here are my two choices.

http://www.playtech.co.nz/product.php?action=showdetail&id=8233
http://www.playtech.co.nz/product.php?action=showdetail&id=8238

What I'm concerned with is:
A - Ghz, I know what this means but I have no idea what the exact values are, and how much of a difference 0.2 will make to my fps in WoW.
B - The difference between a slightly slower quad and a tri core. Not only that but how it will effect WoW. From what I've heard WoW doesn't utilise multiple cores very well and so it's possible a slower tri core would be alot better for it.

Sorry if I sound like a noob but it'd be an entirely honest view of me =P.

Thanks in advance =).

Either of those two will play WOW at 60fps with a proc overclock to 3.2-3.5 Ghz @ max everything easily... The 4850 would do better though.

Holy SH!T!!!!! they want WAY to much for those :{

^^^ Hehe didn't want to go there

 

[Aelexe]

Sorry for the double post, but I have been informed I am required by unwritten law to say the following.

Dude, you can build that computer yourself for cheaper than what they are charging you.

Keeping in mind it's NZ dollars, alot of people make this mistake when I ask for advice relevant to cost =P.

That said I'm not overly computer savy, I can chuck parts in and out, but not reliably, I'm accident prone =P. The extra cost is well worth the alleviated stress from just knowing I don't have to build it.

Oh and another question (or two) relevant to this:
- How well would this run other games? Things like Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress... Something like Starcraft 2 (Obviously that one's hard but an accurate guess is good enough).

- And how easy would it be to upgrade this computer's core and graphics card? Not the price and actually putting it but compatibility wise. Is the motherboard capatible with better quad cores?

- And lastly, how does the graphics card compare to a 9800 GT? That's what I had in my last one so it's easy for me to compare, although it was being bottlenecked by my relic of a cpu.

That'll be enough questions for today as it's all I want to know I think, sorry to hassle you =P.

 

[kurosagi01]

i agree you could easily build a desktop with same components much cheaper than that

 

[Nick89]

Dude you could build the same PC for 600$. That site is a complete ripoff.

Opps sorry =]

 

[WhiteLotus]

remember he is from new zealand.

 

[Aelexe]

Haha, always happens. I'm sorry =P.

It's hard to notice since the only indication is the .co.nz at the top.

 

[CDdude55]

WOW isn't a very demanding game. Only thing you have to worry about is when you have a huge raid or something going on and it bogs down the frames.

I would definitely go for with the first system, the 4850 is far ahead of the 9800 GT in most games and all you lose in an extra core. You also get a terabyte of space.

Ghz is the speed of the processor and no, .2 of a difference won't give you any more frames per second or any performance increase In any way.

Thing is that the second system may give you a quad core, but the first one steps over it in everything else including a bit higher clock speed. And you are correct, WOW doesn't utilize multiple cores that much(considering the game was released in '04)

Now i can bet you are going to hear a lot of people hear say why don't you build your own, and that would really be best. When you build your own, it's cheaper and you get more parts to customize with to get the performance you want. Building your own PC is also very enjoyable. But if you really don't have the technical know how, or will to do it then i guess i really wouldn't recommend going that route.(unless you really know whats what in case you need to troubleshoot the system)

Also, i have never heard of playtech, but i don't know where you live so i can't recommend any good PC buying sites.(oh, you live in new zealand)

 

[TheLaughingMan]

Keeping in mind it's NZ dollars, alot of people make this mistake when I ask for advice relevant to cost =P.

That said I'm not overly computer savy, I can chuck parts in and out, but not reliably, I'm accident prone =P. The extra cost is well worth the alleviated stress from just knowing I don't have to build it.

Oh and another question (or two) relevant to this:
- How well would this run other games? Things like Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress... Something like Starcraft 2 (Obviously that one's hard but an accurate guess is good enough).

- And how easy would it be to upgrade this computer's core and graphics card? Not the price and actually putting it but compatibility wise. Is the motherboard capatible with better quad cores?

- And lastly, how does the graphics card compare to a 9800 GT? That's what I had in my last one so it's easy for me to compare, although it was being bottlenecked by my relic of a cpu.

That'll be enough questions for today as it's all I want to know I think, sorry to hassle you =P.

Ok, that system will handle most, if not all games very well. Single player games, max settings for all current titles (with a few exceptions) easy. You may have to turn down the AA, shadows, and textures on some online games. It should walk all over L4D and L4D2 because they are well optimized.

Since all the parts on that computer are just retail parts they will put together for you, upgrade will be easy. That case in particular is well built and very easy to work with.

Performance:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_4850/26.html

 

[Aelexe]

Okay guys. Thanks alot, you were/are all a great help =D.

 

[CDdude55]

Keeping in mind it's NZ dollars, alot of people make this mistake when I ask for advice relevant to cost =P.

That said I'm not overly computer savy, I can chuck parts in and out, but not reliably, I'm accident prone =P. The extra cost is well worth the alleviated stress from just knowing I don't have to build it.

Oh and another question (or two) relevant to this:
- How well would this run other games? Things like Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress... Something like Starcraft 2 (Obviously that one's hard but an accurate guess is good enough).

- And how easy would it be to upgrade this computer's core and graphics card? Not the price and actually putting it but compatibility wise. Is the motherboard capatible with better quad cores?

- And lastly, how does the graphics card compare to a 9800 GT? That's what I had in my last one so it's easy for me to compare, although it was being bottlenecked by my relic of a cpu.

That'll be enough questions for today as it's all I want to know I think, sorry to hassle you =P.

The source engine is generally very optimized and runs great on lower end rigs. It shouldn't have a hard time at all running Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress 2.(even with my old 8600 GTS i ran those games perfectly)

Well yes, you can upgrade to a new video card easily.(both mobos are PCI-E), As for upgrading the CPU the first system is definitely the better pick. It's Socket AM3 and supports the newer Phenom II's, while the second systems motherboard is an old Socket AM2+ board.

The 4850 should crush the 9800 GT in most to all games.

 

[kurosagi01]

i have to say,that website price is insane,i've tried putting together same specs and it comes about same as the pre-built and the website is SUPER slow to load for me

 

[TheLaughingMan]

To stop future issues about people posting how expensive those computers are.

He is in New Zealand so the conversions for the price of the first computer are below.

US ~ 879.64

Euros ~ 591.34

GBP ~ 528.24

For any users I forgot to use your local currency, go here: http://www.xe.com/ucc/

 

[Castiel]

My 2 cents on this matter is that you need a good CPU that can handle the game in the first place. A good x4 or x3 would be nice OC'ed. Then you will need a good amount of fast memory, and then a banging video card. Because I have played this game on some good systems, and in a 25 man raid it could barely hand the fps you are asking for.

 

[p_o_s_pc]

go for the faster TRI core. Wow isn't the most intensive game. I have pleayed wow on a 2.5ghz P4 with a Geforce 4 and ran fine on low. My dual and OCed 8800GT ran it just fine on high so a tri and 4850 should do just fine

but both of them have shitty PSUs

 

[InTeL-iNsIdE]

To stop future issues about people posting how expensive those computers are.

He is in New Zealand so the conversions for the price of the first computer are below.

US ~ 879.64

Euros ~ 591.34

GBP ~ 528.24

For any users I forgot to use your local currency, go here: http://www.xe.com/ucc/

Which isnt that ridiculous for a prebuilt system, exactly my thoughts from the OP but hey some, people dont bother reading.

Another thing, the 1st system will be better cause the x3 is a phenom II and not an athlon II, better performance per Ghz and wow afaik doesnt utilise more than 2 cores anyway.

And yes the 4850 is better than the 9800gt

 

[hat]

Now I don't have first-hand experiance with WoW, but I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't run well on either of those machines. It just doesn't make sense... maybe if you want to run it with 16xaa/af

 

[troyrae360]

where abouts in NZ are you?

 

[AlienIsGOD]

MY comp in specs gets 60fps all the time in wow (cept in dalaran but its just too laggy for everyone there). My settings are all maxed too.

 

[p_o_s_pc]

MY comp in specs gets 60fps all the time in wow (cept in dalaran but its just too laggy for everyone there). My settings are all maxed too.

that supports that the first rig would do just fine (same GPU about same CPU speed)

now the prebuilts are built from decent parts (excluding the PSU) so this is one prebuilt i wouldn't feel bad about recommending

 

[TheLaughingMan]

One last thing from me. I know I talk too much. I just double checked and I noticed the price listed and my conversions all have Shipping/Handling included.

 

[TheMailMan78]

35fps?! I won't install something I can't run at 60fps with everything maxed out.

 

[MilkyWay]

35fps?! I won't install something I can't run at 60fps with everything maxed out.

yeah but world of warcraft isnt a fancy FPS or an RTS its just a simple MMO and will be smooth at 35fps

60fps hmmmn yeah with crossfire youd probly be doing that for all titles just now

CPU is key and for an old MMO like WoW an x3 will smash it