HillBeast
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Video Card(s) | Sapphire Radeon 5870 Vapor-X Rev. 2 |
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I'm new to this forum so I'll proably look like a n00b writing this but please understand that what I am writing makes sense to me.
I've been thinking lately about the latest creations from ATI/AMD, NVIDIA and Intel and I've come to the conclusion that they are ALL holding back on us. I have used alot of GPUs and CPUs in the past decade but recently most of the stuff that they come out with just isn't that great. Sure they are impressive but they aren't as good as we hoped.
I recently got a hold of ATIs latest Radeon 5870 card and it's was a total disappointment. At $700NZD I had expected far more from a GPU than what I got. It was built from poor quality plastics, it's fan was painfully loud and it really wasn't that great in games. And it wasn't like I was being picky either because sure the frames were high and it looked amazing but it kept stuttering whenever the camera would rotate in games (it would pause briefly and once the camera finished rotating it went normal again) and unfortunately these sorts of things are not mentioned in reviews when they go on about FPS in games.
I had a think and I did a full reinstall of Windows and installed nothing but the drivers and the game but it still did it. After a while discussing with my mate about why it would be doing that and eventually we figured out that it was the memory bus of the GPU at fault. The Radeon has a hugely powerful processing performance but its 256bit memory bus holds it back and when the game has to rapidly change what it on screen, the memory bus holds it back and it lags.
I know ATI are smart guys and they made a brilliant card despite a few issues but I can't help but feel they held back on the memory bus. NVIDIA have been using 512bit buses since G200 came out and ATI could have easily put one on the 5870 but they opted for running GDDR5 on a small bus.
But don't go thinking I'm bashing ATI because NVIDIA are holding back on us too with their more recent stuff. G200 when it came out was supposed to be the best thing money can buy but it used an insane amount of power and the heat from it was ridiculous. The thing is, when it came out they were using 65nm but Intel was already dealing with 45nm in their CPUs. Why couldn't NVIDIA do 45nm or 55nm when G200 came out? They instead left 55nm for the 285s, 275s, and 295s. The thing is though, yes they reduced the die size, but they didn't do it as much as they could have. 45nm technology was getting pretty common by the time the 285 came out.
I can't help but feel the manufacturers are holding back to make another generation card later on which is what this generation should have been but when the next generation comes out, it's already a generation late (if that makes sense)
Any opinions and discussion on this matter is welcome.
I've been thinking lately about the latest creations from ATI/AMD, NVIDIA and Intel and I've come to the conclusion that they are ALL holding back on us. I have used alot of GPUs and CPUs in the past decade but recently most of the stuff that they come out with just isn't that great. Sure they are impressive but they aren't as good as we hoped.
I recently got a hold of ATIs latest Radeon 5870 card and it's was a total disappointment. At $700NZD I had expected far more from a GPU than what I got. It was built from poor quality plastics, it's fan was painfully loud and it really wasn't that great in games. And it wasn't like I was being picky either because sure the frames were high and it looked amazing but it kept stuttering whenever the camera would rotate in games (it would pause briefly and once the camera finished rotating it went normal again) and unfortunately these sorts of things are not mentioned in reviews when they go on about FPS in games.
I had a think and I did a full reinstall of Windows and installed nothing but the drivers and the game but it still did it. After a while discussing with my mate about why it would be doing that and eventually we figured out that it was the memory bus of the GPU at fault. The Radeon has a hugely powerful processing performance but its 256bit memory bus holds it back and when the game has to rapidly change what it on screen, the memory bus holds it back and it lags.
I know ATI are smart guys and they made a brilliant card despite a few issues but I can't help but feel they held back on the memory bus. NVIDIA have been using 512bit buses since G200 came out and ATI could have easily put one on the 5870 but they opted for running GDDR5 on a small bus.
But don't go thinking I'm bashing ATI because NVIDIA are holding back on us too with their more recent stuff. G200 when it came out was supposed to be the best thing money can buy but it used an insane amount of power and the heat from it was ridiculous. The thing is, when it came out they were using 65nm but Intel was already dealing with 45nm in their CPUs. Why couldn't NVIDIA do 45nm or 55nm when G200 came out? They instead left 55nm for the 285s, 275s, and 295s. The thing is though, yes they reduced the die size, but they didn't do it as much as they could have. 45nm technology was getting pretty common by the time the 285 came out.
I can't help but feel the manufacturers are holding back to make another generation card later on which is what this generation should have been but when the next generation comes out, it's already a generation late (if that makes sense)
Any opinions and discussion on this matter is welcome.