Micro stuttering in Metro 2033 with gtx460???

[pantherx12]

Buy more RAM, 2GB wouldn't be enough for Metro 2033

+ one Its recommended specs are 8gb of ram right?


By the by, can anyone tell me if this game uses gpu phsyx or cpu pshyx?

Because I want to play it but don't want to get a NV card to experience the whole kit and kaboodle.

 

[Mavvs]

So what have you learnt from the Metro 2033 game?

I have learnt that even the apocalypse didnt stop us from killing one another over ideology.

as Atyom himself says in the game. :]

 

[Lionheart]

CHAOS_KILLA: is it possible to overclock my 460 to be faster than a 5970?

The GTX 460 is a great overclocker but will not come near a HD5970, if you manage a really good overclock you might come between the performance of a GTX 470 - HD5870 if your lucky but I doubt it, the overclock you have with your card right now is great man

+ one Its recommended specs are 8gb of ram right?


By the way, can anyone tell me if this game uses gpu phsyx or cpu pshyx?

Because I want to play it but don't want to get a NV card to experience the whole kit and kaboodle.

Yeah tru about the RAM requirements.

Not quiet sure about the PhysX though, I tried with a HD5970 + gt 240 but couldn't tell if PhysX was being used, so I checked MSI afterburner for GPU usage for the GT 240 and it was only 1% usage, I was using the PhysX hack mod, it was working for several other games but not sure about Metro 2033.

I took the GT 240 card out bro, I don't really care for PhysX at all, can't notice much, but thats just me

 

[Mavvs]

CHAOS_KILLA: i want to know why i get much lesser frame rate when i test the Just Cause 2 Concrete Jungle benchmark at very high settings, 4xAA, 1600*1200 res i get 27fps average.

and in this site, they get 41 fps average with 8xAA and 16AF.

http://www.techspot.com/review/299-palit-inno3d-geforce-gtx-460/page9.html

do u think because of my CPU???

even with overclocking i dont gain much fps.

i also have the newest drivers and used Driver cleaner before installing.

 

[Lionheart]

CHAOS_KILLA: i want to know why i get much lesser frame rate when i test the Just Cause 2 Concrete Jungle benchmark at very high settings, 4xAA, 1600*1200 res i get 27fps average.

and in this site, they get 41 fps average with 8xAA and 16AF.

http://www.techspot.com/review/299-palit-inno3d-geforce-gtx-460/page9.html

do u think because of my CPU???

even with overclocking i dont gain much fps.

i also have the newest drivers and used Driver cleaner before installing.

Yeah man, it would be your CPU, that testbench was using a core i7 920 OCed to 3.7ghz and you have a Q8400, so theres going to be bit of a difference as the i7 920 is a faster CPU, not saying that your cpu is slow at all, but its not the fastest, but that overclock you gave it should of helped it abit, I recommend you buying another 2GB stick of RAm, and make sure it matches the RAM you have now to avoid any issues.

PS. Click the Quote button so it looks like your talking to me instead of writing my name, it would make it easier for you

 

[Mavvs]

CHAOS_KILLA: my CPU is Q8400, its at 3.3ghz right now.

my GPU is heavily clocked. at 850mhz core, 2205mhz memory.

and its not the overclock, because if i benchmark with stock settings i even get lesser fps.

i mean using an i7 cpu would give me like 20 extra fps over my q8400 CPU at those settings?

wouldnt it be due to my power supply or motherboard?

or could it be the RAM?

or Just Cause 2 is that CPU heavy and dependent??

 

[Mavvs]

I also tried 8xAA with 16AF from 4xAA and i lost only 2 or 3 fps. down from 28fps to like 25 or 26fps.

all settings on and very high, without Vsync, at 1600*1200 res, using the most demanding benchmark which is called Concrete Jungle.

somewhere on the net i read that the GTX 4xxx series really need an i7 CPU.

is it true?

just wondering if the under-performance is due to my CPU.

 

[Xaser04]

A couple of things that could help:

In Metro 2033 turn off Advanced DOF, it is a massive resource hog.

Download MSI afterburner (if you don't have it already). Turn on the on screen display for memory usage (gpu temps, FPS etc). It could possibly be a case of your 460 running out of Vram for specific sections of the game.

In general you need more system RAM. Your JC2 performance is poor due to a partial cpu bottleneck and a lack of system memory. Essentially your HD is being thrashed at the point you run out of system memory causing slow downs and generally poor performance.

Overclocking your GPU will make a potential CPU bottleneck even worse as the GPU is demanding even more resource (just like a GTX480 would be more bottlenecked than your GTX460).

So to summarise: Get more RAM first and overclock your CPU second.

 

[Mavvs]

my max video memory usage in Just Cause 2 benchmark is 421mb.

is it high?

what is an ideal CPU for my card then?

i7?

 

[Xaser04]

my max video memory usage in Just Cause 2 benchmark is 421mb.

is it high?

what is an ideal CPU for my card then?

i7?

And in Metro 2033.

Memory usage is higher in game in JC2 than in the benchmarks (in my experience).

You need more memory before you start to overclock or look at a different CPU.

 

[Mavvs]

Xaser04: for Metro 2033, in a level that i played, it was up to 843mb.

is it high? what makes it so high? the textures dont even look that good. and GPU usage was 99%.

u think adding 1gb or 2 RAM, would it make a big difference in performance ???

 

[inferKNOX]

You guys have said everything, but the very first thing he should have tried.
You're overclocking Mavvs, so I assume you're using a lot of software at the moment to monitor your system.
When your system gets polled (checking voltage, fan speed, temps, etc) too much by applications under heavy load such as gaming, it can cause microstutter. Voltage polling is the worst at causing microstutter, that's why it's disabled by default in MSI Afterburner.
Try closing all applications that monitor your system and only have FRAPS open to monitor your FPS during a game of Metro2033 and see if the microstutter persists. Saw it happened in DiRT2 and closing Everest did the trick. It's best to game with only FRAPS &/or MSI Afterburner polling the system at most and closing the rest.

 

[Mavvs]

inferKNOX: can u please tell the relationship between the computer shutdown during the game when i increase the GPU voltage or when i overclock the CPU higher and increase its voltage?

because it started to happen ever since i upgraded my GTS 250 to this 460.

i get shutdowns during the game if i increase the GPU voltage or increase the CPU voltage by much and overclock it to 3.6ghz.

i had to downclock the cpu to 3.3ghz and decreased the core voltage to avoid shutdowns during the game.

do u think its the power????

my PSU was fine just prior to 460. it all started with the 460.

my GPU is overclocked now, but without any voltage increase.

 

[Xaser04]

inferKNOX: can u please tell the relationship between the computer shutdown during the game when i increase the GPU voltage or when i overclock the CPU higher and increase its voltage?

because it started to happen ever since i upgraded my GTS 250 to this 460.

i get shutdowns during the game if i increase the GPU voltage or increase the CPU voltage by much and overclock it to 3.6ghz.

i had to downclock the cpu to 3.3ghz and decreased the core voltage to avoid shutdowns during the game.

do u think its the power????

my PSU was fine just prior to 460. it all started with the 460.

my GPU is overclocked now, but without any voltage increase.

Generally speaking shut downs that occur when gaming will be as a result of a lack of power. I assume you actually mean the computer just restarts rather than Blue screening (BSOD) or hanging.

Just to clarify, you were fine with your cpu at 3.6ghz (overclocked and with added voltage) when you had the GTS250?

If this is the case and you are only seeing shutdowns with the GTX460 overclocked and over volted it could be your PSU is not up to the job of powering the system. I do know that the GTS460s power consumption can increase substantially if the core voltage is increased.

EDIT: At a quick glance your PSU should be ok for this sort of setup however I don't know any of its technical specifications (current on the 12v rail(s) etc).

 

[yogurt_21]

You can't get microstuttering with a single GPU card like a GTX 460. Allegedly.

This particular effect apparently only applies to a dual GPU card like a 5970 and the frame rate rendered is less than the refresh rate of the monitor. For what it's worth, I had an nvidia 9800 GX2 for a while and I never noticed this effect, even with the frame rate lower than the refresh rate and using a CRT monitor.

This forum post from hardocp explains it.

However, now we have a spanner in the works for this definition, in the form of an Overclockers post. This one's handy, as it links to a utility to actually measure the amount of microstutter.

Why not run this and show us the results?

EDIT: The link for the utility appears to have unfortunately expired. If anyone can find it elsewhere, please post it on this thread.

This

you don't have microstuttering on a single gpu in the most graphics intensive game to date, what you have is lag. Upgrading memory will help as will reducing eye candy. Likley you'll have to do both.

 

[Mavvs]

Xaser04: these are the technical spe of Silverstone strider 560w.

+3.3v: 30A
+5V: 30A
+12V1: 20A
+12V2: 20A
-5V: -
-12V: 0.3A
5Vsb: 3.0A



so what do u think? not enough amps?

i dont get any BSOD, the computer just restarts.

and again, i didnt have these issues with my GTS 250 even when overclocked heavily. but then again i didnt have an option to increase its voltage.

 

[Xaser04]

Xaser04: these are the technical spe of Silverstone strider 560w.

+3.3v: 30A
+5V: 30A
+12V1: 20A
+12V2: 20A
-5V: -
-12V: 0.3A
5Vsb: 3.0A



so what do u think? not enough amps?

i dont get any BSOD, the computer just restarts.

and again, i didnt have these issues with my GTS 250 even when overclocked heavily. but then again i didnt have an option to increase its voltage.

Taking that at face value it should be ok. However, restarting without BSOD on a pc is normally due to the PSU rather than anything else.

Does it still restart if you don't overvolt the gpu?

 

[Mavvs]

Xaser04: not likely.

could it be due to my motherboard?

my mobo is Asus P5kR.

that the motherboard doesnt supply enough power?

 

[Xaser04]

Xaser04: not likely.

could it be due to my motherboard?

my mobo is Asus P5kR.

that the motherboard doesnt supply enough power?

It's unlikely to be the motherboard as you would have had the same issues with the GTS250 (it also requires external power).

One way to be sure is to run Furmark for around an hour (GTX460 overclocked but with stock voltage). This will push your computer to 'peak load'. If it passes then try with an over volted GPU. If this fails you know its the voltage (and thus the increased power consumption) causing the issue.

 

[inferKNOX]

inferKNOX: can u please tell the relationship between the computer shutdown during the game when i increase the GPU voltage or when i overclock the CPU higher and increase its voltage?

because it started to happen ever since i upgraded my GTS 250 to this 460.

i get shutdowns during the game if i increase the GPU voltage or increase the CPU voltage by much and overclock it to 3.6ghz.

i had to downclock the cpu to 3.3ghz and decreased the core voltage to avoid shutdowns during the game.

do u think its the power????

my PSU was fine just prior to 460. it all started with the 460.

my GPU is overclocked now, but without any voltage increase.

High probability that your PSU might be suffering to supply. I have noticed temperature spikes (in the CPU) during stability tests that destabilise the system, so it may be the case with you that it's stable... spike, restart. I'm not a very experienced overclocker though, and don't quote me on what I say as it's just my opinion.
Also, how old is your PSU? If it's getting quite old, it could be starting to lose some efficiency and becoming a bit unstable.

Xaser04: these are the technical spe of Silverstone strider 560w.

+3.3v: 30A
+5V: 30A
+12V1: 20A
+12V2: 20A
-5V: -
-12V: 0.3A
5Vsb: 3.0A



so what do u think? not enough amps?

i dont get any BSOD, the computer just restarts.

and again, i didnt have these issues with my GTS 250 even when overclocked heavily. but then again i didnt have an option to increase its voltage.

From what I see here, you got 2x 12V rails. Are you sure you're not overloading a single rail? You might what to try using some other cables on your GPU to see if it helps, in case you're placing the CPU and GPU on 1 rail and overloading it.

 

[Mavvs]

inferKNOX: how do i do that?

yeah, i think most likely one of the rails might be overloaded.

but how can i assign a rail for GPU and another one for CPU?

my PSU has only 2 six pin cables which are in use now and 1 8-pin which is connected on the board.

the rest are normal connectors and for adopters.

but my card came with a 2 head molex adaptor. can i use that instead of a six-pin PCIE cable to separate the rails? would it work like that?



i have an 8-pin power connected which is connected to the board by the CPU. the connector on the board is 4 pin, so the other 4 pins on the cable is spared out .

 

[inferKNOX]

inferKNOX: how do i do that?

i think my PSU has only 2 or 3 PCI-E cables for GPU.

what is the power cable for CPU?

i have an 8-pin power connected which is connected to the board by the CPU. the connector on the board is 4 pin, so the other 4 pins on the cable is spared out .

Yes, that's normal. That's the CPU power.
For the GPU, just try to use 2 different 6-pin cables, each leading directly to the PSU. If the problem persists, take 1 of those 2 out, and replace it with the 3rd one (if you have 3). One of them is bound to be on the rail the CPU is not on.
Otherwise, try test with a single rail 650W PSU, if you can get your hands on one, and if that works, the buy yourself a 650W, at least then you'll know you have plenty headroom too.

 

[Mavvs]

inferKNOX: i have only 2 sixpin cables. but can i use the molex adaptor instead? would it help?

 

[inferKNOX]

inferKNOX: i have only 2 sixpin cables. but can i use the molex adaptor instead? would it help?

Nah, if there's only 2, there's no way the PSU manufacturer would be stupid enough to have put them on 1 rail.
Try borrow a more powerful PSU from a friend or something and test to see if it resolve the problem, then you'll know for sure if it's your PSU. I'm inclined to believe it is the PSU though, as Xaser04 also said.

 

[Mavvs]

what could be the issue though? from motherboard?

it should be either the motherboard or PSU.