Are we Alone?

[Deleted member 3]

I was trying to say that... err... you know... Einstein would disagree with you and all.

He doesn't, he's dead. And even then, even Einstein should be questioned. Everything should be questioned.

It's a bit like hacking where the password would effectively take more time than exists in the universe to crack. Fortunately, as it turns out it's fairly simple to hack the handshake protocol instead. In other words, you can't travel faster than light, but there are ways to work around it.

Sure, but in the future we have computers fast enough to do it brute force in seconds. Same might go for faster than light travel, in the future we might have new knowledge and technology and the "facts" change. Ruling things out based on current knowledge is being narrow minded.

 

[garyinhere]

Sure, but in the future we have computers fast enough to do it brute force in seconds. Same might go for faster than light travel, in the future we might have new knowledge and technology and the "facts" change. Ruling things out based on current knowledge is being narrow minded.

"I know not with what weapons WW3 will be fought,but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones"- Albert Einstein

I'll be impressed with Technology when we no longer shit in holes and bury our trash

 

[Lionheart]

wait. Why they need to make us their slave? Or even use our resource? Its not like planet earth contain special matter that alien can't get in other planet, we need to throw away that kind of thinking, our earth is not speciall.
Ok. Let assume that we have some special matter on earth(witch I doubt it) and came to earth to get it. But I can't get it, why they need to enslave us, if alien civilitation is so advance, I'm sure they can build some worker robot and just kill us all, after all we are to fragile, and robot will not turn against them.

Your concentrating on physical things, think outside the box, like emotions, especially negative emotions like fear, maybe they feed off of it to empower themselves, who knows, and we do live in a negative fear based society:shadedshu

 

[streetfighter 2]

He doesn't, he's dead.

Einstein would disagree with you and all.

I said he "would" and I have no doubt that he would if he were alive. Please do not patronize me, I'm not trying to offend you and if I have it was unintentional and I apologize.

Everything should be questioned.

Absolutely. However, we need to question intelligently or we're just punching the wind.

Sure, but in the future we have computers fast enough to do it brute force in seconds. Same might go for faster than light travel, in the future we might have new knowledge and technology and the "facts" change. Ruling things out based on current knowledge is being narrow minded.

The difference being that we are the ones making the key to be cracked. We didn't make light speed, it's a physical constant. I'm not saying that light speed can't be broken nor am I saying that a perpetual motion machine can't be built; only that both of them would be a disturbingly hefty leap in science and technology.

I'll be impressed with Technology when we no longer shit in holes and bury our trash

We're getting there. Maybe one day . . .

 

[Velvet Wafer]

wait. Why they need to make us their slave? Or even use our resource? Its not like planet earth contain special matter that alien can't get in other planet, we need to throw away that kind of thinking, our earth is not speciall.
Ok. Let assume that we have some special matter on earth(witch I doubt it) and came to earth to get it. But I can't get it, why they need to enslave us, if alien civilitation is so advance, I'm sure they can build some worker robot and just kill us all, after all we are to fragile, and robot will not turn against them.

That i admit, is out of my knowledge...Beeings so powerful could have needs far from our understanding...but with my limited human understanding, i would say:
maybe, just out of personal preferation? Robots cant worship you satisfyingly, if youre a superpotent, powerhungry, and dominative Species Also, the production of Robots, and the Service, is associated with cost, and the use of resources... Humans are a regenerative Resource,that can live of minorly important, also regenerative Resources, from the Look of a powerful Alien, i guess

If it came to the resources they want... what about Gold? It cant be made in noticeable quantities without IMMENSE amounts of Energy (i think a supernova with the mass of 8 standard suns is needed), and the abundance of Gold, is a lot higher in our Solar System, then it should be normal, in the Universe (from what i know)... think of a species which metabolism somehow needs certain gold salts,
maybe due to a mutation,in order to function, and which cant regain the gold, from the excrements, maybe due to a form of biological transmutation....
they would even need the gold, in Order, to keep their Species alive

 

[W1zzard]

maybe because our earth technology can't "sense" it ? I mean we can only see a very limited light spectrum that our sun pouring at us, and our other sense is very limited, and after the fact there are more matter that we can't sense like ghost particle, x-ray, etc there aven a matter that we can't detect with our most advance equipment like dark matter and dark energy.

as far as i know we can detect all the particles (of the standard model) except for higgs and graviton for which we have experiments/planned

ghost particle == neutrino afaik for which we have experiments

nothing for dark matter and dark energy though

 

[Kreij]

Your concentrating on physical things, think outside the box, like emotions, especially negative emotions like fear, maybe they feed off of it to empower themselves, who knows, and we do live in a negative fear based society:shadedshu

As opposed to a positive fear based society? I'm confused by that statement.

 

[BinaryMage]

as far as i know we can detect all the particles (of the standard model) except for higgs and graviton for which we have experiments/planned

ghost particle == neutrino afaik for which we have experiments

nothing for dark matter and dark energy though

Dark energy/matter are just names created to explain why there is way more mass in the universe than what the amount of "real" matter would predict. They're less concrete ideas as just general names for whatever is creating that mass.

 

[>>PhoeniX<<]

I believe that there are other life forms in the universe. But for a fact the human mind can not fathom the vastness of the universe so it can not imagine other life. Besides I think Aliens already made computers.. But they weren't that good XDDDD

 

[Winston_008]

You guys need to watch the Aliens of Devastation,In that episode it talks about a theory that aliens manipulated are DNA and explains the God telling Noah to make the ark cause he was flooding mankind,I always question Christians saying GOD is love he loves us all,So why in the 1st book of the bible did he flood the earth.....Also why did God take Mosses away in glowing chariots .....

The reason God flooded the earth was simple everyone except noah and his family had become completely evil by their own freewill, so God dealt with them as he saw appropriate.

my 2 cents

 

[BinaryMage]

The reason God flooded the earth was simple everyone except noah and his family had become completely evil by their own freewill, so God dealt with them as he saw appropriate.

my 2 cents

I don't really want to get into religious debates, but I think any intelligent god would use a better method than killing everyone, which is not only evil in and of itself but also a waste of resources.

 

[niko084]

Actually quantum mechanics has a lot whom believe the universe being flat, yes as in 2 dimensional is the only way gravity can exist.

We are in incredibly theoretical fields here.

In the big picture of this, we have not the slightest clue, we can barely comprehend ourselves let alone everything else we don't have a clue even exists.

 

[niko084]

He doesn't, he's dead. And even then, even Einstein should be questioned. Everything should be questioned.

Agreed!

Einstein was a very smart man but with only limited knowledge for his time.

In physics especially everything is considered true when all known evidence points to it being so. When an argument is found it will be re-addressed until that time it is true.

If we didn't handle the science that way it would be much harder to learn how things work simply because you have no basis to judge it on.

 

[niko084]

ghost particle == neutrino afaik for which we have experiments

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_detector

 

[Lionheart]

As opposed to a positive fear based society? I'm confused by that statement.

As am I by your comment

 

[St.Alia-Of-The-Knife]

Actually quantum mechanics has a lot whom believe the universe being flat, yes as in 2 dimensional is the only way gravity can exist.

Actually, flat means that the universe does not have any general space-time curvature, space-time being in the 4th dimension. So it doesnt mean that the whole universe is in 2 dimensions, its just "flat" in a sense between 3 and 4 dimensions just like a wrinkled piece of is between 2 and 3 dimensions

 

[W1zzard]

any general space-time curvature

how can we detect (non-local) time curvature ?

 

[TheMailMan78]

all experimental evidence suggests that the universe is flat

And 300 years ago the Earth was flat. Until we can travel about 300 times the speed of light and get some distance between our studies and the Earth I don't buy much of any deep space experiment results from the surface of our planet.

Can a grain of sand tell how big the beach is by looking at the stars? The whole reason we built the hubble was to measure light OUT of our own atmosphere. I mean think about that. If our own atmosphere was bugging up the results what about the suns gravitational pull? Could it not be bending light also? Could the billions of stars and planets in between each measurement be messing with our results?

There are to many holes in todays science IMO. We need to get out there and see it ourselves. Oh and Einstein was right. Quantum physics is the new G-d. We know it works but we can't really prove it. I'm sorry but I call BS.

 

[St.Alia-Of-The-Knife]

how can we detect (non-local) time curvature ?

Very good question. I personnaly do not know, but it is written in wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_Universe

"Analysis of data from WMAP implies that on the scale to the surface of last scattering, the density parameter of the Universe is within about 2% of the value representing spatial flatness.[7]"

WMAP being the cosmological background radiation measured by satellite. So i guess it could be measured by comparing the background radiation with the current state of the universe. As we know, the background radiation is nearly the homogenous from all directions, this must be an evidence for the flatness of the universe

 

[TheMailMan78]

Very good question. I personnaly do not know, but it is written in wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_Universe

"Analysis of data from WMAP implies that on the scale to the surface of last scattering, the density parameter of the Universe is within about 2% of the value representing spatial flatness.[7]"

WMAP being the cosmological background radiation measured by satellite. So i guess it could be measured by comparing the background radiation with the current state of the universe. As we know, the background radiation is nearly the homogenous from all directions, this must be an evidence for the flatness of the universe

Thats a lot of assumptions being we just hardly left our own solar system.

 

[streetfighter 2]

Can a grain of sand tell how big the beach is by looking at the stars?

Probably not, but one could estimate it.

If our own atmosphere was bugging up the results what about the suns gravitational pull?

Relativity accounts for gravitational pulls in celestial observations. The phenomenon is known as gravitational lensing.

There are to many holes in todays science IMO.

Great phrase; it's a good tag-line for the creationists. If you found a hole, fix it and get a prize. Every time we answer a question we end up with a million new unanswered questions, this is the nature of scientific discovery.

FYI, DARPA disagrees with Stephen Hawking's blackhole radiation. They released a 500+ page mathematical refutation, which asserted that his underlying assumptions were flawed. (I lost the source in one of my book repositories and I haven't been able to find it again. It's free if you can find it on the nets.)

Oh and Einstein was right. Quantum physics is the new G-d.

I do not believe Einstein said anything to that effect, in fact the opposite is much truer.
God does not play dice -- Einstein
Einstein and Bohr were mortal enemies. He spent most of his later years trying to prove that the quantum universe was orderly, as opposed to the borderline insanity of the Copenhagen interpretation.

We know it works but we can't really prove it. I'm sorry but I call BS.

We're trying. I'm sorry science doesn't advance faster but the more outlandish our claims, the more outlandish the experiments to prove them.

Anything you can't test experimentally is not science, it's philosophy. Also can you "prove" to me that you exist? You're probably just a figment of my imagination.

 

[Widjaja]

I'm not going to get all technical with this.

If there are other beings out there in the galaxy which I do believe there are.

All I want them to be is friendly and super sexy.

 

[Kreij]

Great phrase; it's a good tag-line for the creationists. If you found a hole, fix it and get a prize. Every time we answer a question we end up with a million new unanswered questions, this is the nature of scientific discovery.

I think what Mailman is trying to get across here is that the total sum of our scientific knowledge is inadequate to lay positive claim on any given theorem.
IMO, this is not necessarily the fault of the scientists, but of an over-zealous media to pump out over-blown stories of a potential scientific finding.

Should we keep searching? Definitely.
Will we find real answers? Who knows.
Is beer the nectar of the Gods? Yes.

 

[WhiteLotus]

as far as i know we can detect all the particles (of the standard model) except for higgs and graviton for which we have experiments/planned

ghost particle == neutrino afaik for which we have experiments

nothing for dark matter and dark energy though

There have been rumours the the LHC has found the higgs particle, just need to publish the information.

 

[BinaryMage]

There have been rumours the the LHC has found the higgs particle, just need to publish the information.

Yes, true, but there have been rumors basically forever. When the LHC was started many people thought it would create a black hole and destroy us all. Rumors don't mean much.