• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD's Own HD 7970 Performance Expectations?

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
46,274 (7.69/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro
Ahead of every major GPU launch, both NVIDIA and AMD give out a document to reviewers known as Reviewer's Guide, in which both provide guidelines (suggestions, not instructions), to reviewers to ensure new GPUs are given a fair testing. In such documents, the two often also give out their own performance expectations from the GPUs they're launching, in which they compare the new GPUs to either previous-generation GPUs from their own brand, or from the competitors'. Apparently such a performance comparison between the upcoming Radeon HD 7970 and NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 580, probably part of such a document, got leaked to the internet, which 3DCenter.org re-posted. The first picture below, is a blurry screenshot of a graph in which the two GPUs are compared along a variety of tests, at a resolution of 2560 x 1600. A Tweakers.net community member recreated that graph in Excel, using that data (second picture below).

A couple of things here are worth noting. Reviewer guide performance numbers are almost always exaggerated, so if reviewers get performance results lower than 'normal', they find it abnormal, and re-test. It's an established practice both GPUs vendors follow. Next, AMD Radeon GPUs are traditionally good at 2560 x 1600. For that matter, the performance gap between even the Radeon HD 6970 and GeForce GTX 580 narrows a bit at that resolution.



View at TechPowerUp Main Site
 
Joined
Jan 2, 2009
Messages
9,899 (1.78/day)
Location
Essex, England
System Name My pc
Processor Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Rog b450-f
Cooling Cooler master 120mm aio
Memory 16gb ddr4 3200mhz
Video Card(s) MSI Ventus 3x 3070
Storage 2tb intel nvme and 2tb generic ssd
Display(s) Generic dell 1080p overclocked to 75hz
Case Phanteks enthoo
Power Supply 650w of borderline fire hazard
Mouse Some wierd Chinese vertical mouse
Keyboard Generic mechanical keyboard
Software Windows ten
I hate these type of graphs, obviously easy to understand if you read them, but at a glance so misleading lol

OVER DOUBLE PERFORM..oh 30% improvement in AVP not double : [ ( this would be 30% faster than 6970 as well by the by)

Still, looking forward to the TPU review on the 22nd to see if results are anywhere close to this!
 

trickson

OH, I have such a headache
Joined
Dec 5, 2004
Messages
7,595 (1.08/day)
Location
Planet Earth.
System Name Ryzen TUF.
Processor AMD Ryzen7 3700X
Motherboard Asus TUF X570 Gaming Plus
Cooling Noctua
Memory Gskill RipJaws 3466MHz
Video Card(s) Asus TUF 1650 Super Clocked.
Storage CB 1T M.2 Drive.
Display(s) 73" Soney 4K.
Case Antech LanAir Pro.
Audio Device(s) Denon AVR-S750H
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Mouse Optical
Keyboard K120 Logitech
Software Windows 10 64 bit Home OEM
They look so grand AMD knows how to put a show on for sure . One thing though there is a lot to be said about ATI they do a great job on them for sure . I love ATI !
 

crazyeyesreaper

Not a Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Mar 25, 2009
Messages
9,752 (1.78/day)
Location
04578
System Name Old reliable
Processor Intel 8700K @ 4.8 GHz
Motherboard MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon AC
Cooling Custom Water
Memory 32 GB Crucial Ballistix 3666 MHz
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X
Storage 3x SSDs 2x HDDs
Display(s) Dell U2412M + Samsung TA350
Case Thermaltake Core P3 TG
Audio Device(s) Samson Meteor Mic / Generic 2.1 / KRK KNS 6400 headset
Power Supply Zalman EBT-1000
Mouse Mionix NAOS 7000
Keyboard Mionix
yea if the performance is good ill be grabbing 7970 and selling my 6950s cheap. just so i have something new to play with.
 

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
46,274 (7.69/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro
Again, both AMD and NV make their graphs look like that.
 
Joined
Aug 17, 2009
Messages
2,557 (0.48/day)
Location
United States
System Name Aluminum Mallard
Processor Ryzen 1900x
Motherboard AsRock Phantom 6
Cooling AIO
Memory 8GB
Video Card(s) ASUS Strix 1080Ti
Storage SSD
Display(s) Benq Zowie
Case Cosmos 1000
Audio Device(s) On Board
Power Supply Corsair CX750
Software Win10 Home
Benchmark Scores 31 FPS in Dalaran.
Bring the heat, AMD and you can have around $1400 out of my pocket.
 

trickson

OH, I have such a headache
Joined
Dec 5, 2004
Messages
7,595 (1.08/day)
Location
Planet Earth.
System Name Ryzen TUF.
Processor AMD Ryzen7 3700X
Motherboard Asus TUF X570 Gaming Plus
Cooling Noctua
Memory Gskill RipJaws 3466MHz
Video Card(s) Asus TUF 1650 Super Clocked.
Storage CB 1T M.2 Drive.
Display(s) 73" Soney 4K.
Case Antech LanAir Pro.
Audio Device(s) Denon AVR-S750H
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Mouse Optical
Keyboard K120 Logitech
Software Windows 10 64 bit Home OEM

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
46,274 (7.69/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro
Joined
Jul 19, 2006
Messages
43,585 (6.74/day)
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF x670e
Cooling EK AIO 360. Phantek T30 fans.
Memory 32GB G.Skill 6000Mhz
Video Card(s) Asus RTX 4090
Storage WD m.2
Display(s) LG C2 Evo OLED 42"
Case Lian Li PC 011 Dynamic Evo
Audio Device(s) Topping E70 DAC, SMSL SP200 Headphone Amp.
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti PRO 1000W
Mouse Razer Basilisk V3 Pro
Keyboard Tester84
Software Windows 11
Since AMD is a North American company I would think they would use "1.6" rather than "1,6" in the graph. The graph looks a bit generic too, but the results seem to be going along with all of the other rumors.
 

trickson

OH, I have such a headache
Joined
Dec 5, 2004
Messages
7,595 (1.08/day)
Location
Planet Earth.
System Name Ryzen TUF.
Processor AMD Ryzen7 3700X
Motherboard Asus TUF X570 Gaming Plus
Cooling Noctua
Memory Gskill RipJaws 3466MHz
Video Card(s) Asus TUF 1650 Super Clocked.
Storage CB 1T M.2 Drive.
Display(s) 73" Soney 4K.
Case Antech LanAir Pro.
Audio Device(s) Denon AVR-S750H
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Mouse Optical
Keyboard K120 Logitech
Software Windows 10 64 bit Home OEM
You already know that, right? So don't single AMD out to flame.

Oh no way I would think of this ! I have to tell you AMD/ATI has the best GPU's ever . I have always loved them and I love nvidia as well . I just think that ATI has way more bang for the buck than the other .
 

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
46,274 (7.69/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro
Since AMD is a North American company I would think they would use "1.6" rather than "1,6" in the graph. The graph looks a bit generic too, but the results seem to be going along with all of the other rumors.

If you read the OP, the second image/graph is a recreation of the first (blurry) one. It's possible that the guy who recreated it is European. The first image/graph uses a period.
 
Joined
Jul 19, 2006
Messages
43,585 (6.74/day)
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF x670e
Cooling EK AIO 360. Phantek T30 fans.
Memory 32GB G.Skill 6000Mhz
Video Card(s) Asus RTX 4090
Storage WD m.2
Display(s) LG C2 Evo OLED 42"
Case Lian Li PC 011 Dynamic Evo
Audio Device(s) Topping E70 DAC, SMSL SP200 Headphone Amp.
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti PRO 1000W
Mouse Razer Basilisk V3 Pro
Keyboard Tester84
Software Windows 11
If you read the OP, the second image/graph is a recreation of the first (blurry) one. It's possible that the guy who recreated it is European.

Ah, quite right. I quickly moved to the 2nd pic due to the blurriness of the 1st.
 
J

John Doe

Guest
Again, both AMD and NV make their graphs look like that.

Yeah, this isn't new. These graphs are always deceiving. If the card was indeed 1.6 times faster, it'd have to get 100 FPS where a 580 gets 40 FPS... or for example, this chart is also similar. It glorifies the 7950GX2 as the best card, when in reality it was plagued with driver issues, and the X1900 XTX has close performance on itself alone. With a more advanced GPU that can do AA and HDR at the same time, and no dual GPU worries. ATi cards owned at that time.

 
Joined
Aug 17, 2009
Messages
2,557 (0.48/day)
Location
United States
System Name Aluminum Mallard
Processor Ryzen 1900x
Motherboard AsRock Phantom 6
Cooling AIO
Memory 8GB
Video Card(s) ASUS Strix 1080Ti
Storage SSD
Display(s) Benq Zowie
Case Cosmos 1000
Audio Device(s) On Board
Power Supply Corsair CX750
Software Win10 Home
Benchmark Scores 31 FPS in Dalaran.
Both pictures show you what effect alcohol has on you. The first one is totally this hot babe that you were lucky enough to pick up at the bar and the second one is what comes into focus when you find her penis.
 

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
46,274 (7.69/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro

trickson

OH, I have such a headache
Joined
Dec 5, 2004
Messages
7,595 (1.08/day)
Location
Planet Earth.
System Name Ryzen TUF.
Processor AMD Ryzen7 3700X
Motherboard Asus TUF X570 Gaming Plus
Cooling Noctua
Memory Gskill RipJaws 3466MHz
Video Card(s) Asus TUF 1650 Super Clocked.
Storage CB 1T M.2 Drive.
Display(s) 73" Soney 4K.
Case Antech LanAir Pro.
Audio Device(s) Denon AVR-S750H
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Mouse Optical
Keyboard K120 Logitech
Software Windows 10 64 bit Home OEM
I am willing to bet that this is spot on . Maybe even better than what is shown in the graphs .
 

trickson

OH, I have such a headache
Joined
Dec 5, 2004
Messages
7,595 (1.08/day)
Location
Planet Earth.
System Name Ryzen TUF.
Processor AMD Ryzen7 3700X
Motherboard Asus TUF X570 Gaming Plus
Cooling Noctua
Memory Gskill RipJaws 3466MHz
Video Card(s) Asus TUF 1650 Super Clocked.
Storage CB 1T M.2 Drive.
Display(s) 73" Soney 4K.
Case Antech LanAir Pro.
Audio Device(s) Denon AVR-S750H
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Mouse Optical
Keyboard K120 Logitech
Software Windows 10 64 bit Home OEM
Both pictures show you what effect alcohol has on you. The first one is totally this hot babe that you were lucky enough to pick up at the bar and the second one is what comes into focus when you find her penis.

NOW THAT IS funny . I bet you have done this too ! :roll:
 

bear jesus

New Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2010
Messages
1,534 (0.31/day)
Location
Britland
System Name Gaming temp// HTPC
Processor AMD A6 5400k // A4 5300
Motherboard ASRock FM2A75 PRO4// ASRock FM2A55M-DGS
Cooling Xigmatek HDT-D1284 // stock phenom II HSF
Memory 4GB 1600mhz corsair vengeance // 4GB 1600mhz corsair vengeance low profile
Storage 64gb sandisk pulse SSD and 500gb HDD // 500gb HDD
Display(s) acer 22" 1680x1050
Power Supply Seasonic G-450 // Corsair CXM 430W
It looks like they average out to about 45% faster than the 580, if that is right it seams relatively impressive although i will wait until i have read the reviews before i start being impressed.
 
Joined
Jul 19, 2006
Messages
43,585 (6.74/day)
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF x670e
Cooling EK AIO 360. Phantek T30 fans.
Memory 32GB G.Skill 6000Mhz
Video Card(s) Asus RTX 4090
Storage WD m.2
Display(s) LG C2 Evo OLED 42"
Case Lian Li PC 011 Dynamic Evo
Audio Device(s) Topping E70 DAC, SMSL SP200 Headphone Amp.
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti PRO 1000W
Mouse Razer Basilisk V3 Pro
Keyboard Tester84
Software Windows 11
Sorry, I thought I needed 3D glasses to see the first pic properly. :p

So, based on the graph, I come up with the 7970 being about 48% faster than the GTX 580 on average.
 

dieterd

New Member
Joined
Feb 24, 2011
Messages
120 (0.03/day)
System Name The "Average Joe's after work gaming and porn browsing PC"
Processor i5-760 @stock speed
Motherboard Asus P7P55-whatever
Cooling Scythe Mugen2
Memory 2x2GB
Video Card(s) HD6850 Asus
Storage 1TB 7200
Display(s) 23'' samsung
Case Nexus one
Audio Device(s) nope
Power Supply Nexus RX-630(0)
Software Win 7 HP 64bit
dont get fanatic about this, because:
1. remember Buldozzer graphs?
2. if you have to cash (major price increase vs 6970) for every increased frame then it is no use of this new GPU generation and you copuld get that kind of preformance increase and just grab 6990 or 6950x2 for same price!
 

trickson

OH, I have such a headache
Joined
Dec 5, 2004
Messages
7,595 (1.08/day)
Location
Planet Earth.
System Name Ryzen TUF.
Processor AMD Ryzen7 3700X
Motherboard Asus TUF X570 Gaming Plus
Cooling Noctua
Memory Gskill RipJaws 3466MHz
Video Card(s) Asus TUF 1650 Super Clocked.
Storage CB 1T M.2 Drive.
Display(s) 73" Soney 4K.
Case Antech LanAir Pro.
Audio Device(s) Denon AVR-S750H
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Mouse Optical
Keyboard K120 Logitech
Software Windows 10 64 bit Home OEM
Sorry, I thought I needed 3D glasses to see the first pic properly. :p

So, based on the graph, I come up with the 7970 being about 48% faster than the GTX 580 on average.

That is what I gather from it . I am willing to bet that is spot on . :D
 

bear jesus

New Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2010
Messages
1,534 (0.31/day)
Location
Britland
System Name Gaming temp// HTPC
Processor AMD A6 5400k // A4 5300
Motherboard ASRock FM2A75 PRO4// ASRock FM2A55M-DGS
Cooling Xigmatek HDT-D1284 // stock phenom II HSF
Memory 4GB 1600mhz corsair vengeance // 4GB 1600mhz corsair vengeance low profile
Storage 64gb sandisk pulse SSD and 500gb HDD // 500gb HDD
Display(s) acer 22" 1680x1050
Power Supply Seasonic G-450 // Corsair CXM 430W
Sorry, I thought I needed 3D glasses to see the first pic properly. :p

So, based on the graph, I come up with the 7970 being about 48% faster than the GTX 580 on average.

I like your percentage more than my guess.
 
Joined
Jul 19, 2006
Messages
43,585 (6.74/day)
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF x670e
Cooling EK AIO 360. Phantek T30 fans.
Memory 32GB G.Skill 6000Mhz
Video Card(s) Asus RTX 4090
Storage WD m.2
Display(s) LG C2 Evo OLED 42"
Case Lian Li PC 011 Dynamic Evo
Audio Device(s) Topping E70 DAC, SMSL SP200 Headphone Amp.
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti PRO 1000W
Mouse Razer Basilisk V3 Pro
Keyboard Tester84
Software Windows 11
just grab 6990 or 6950x2 for same price!

Some would rather have the stability of a single GPU and not have to deal with the occasional dual-gpu issues.

More maths: Using W1zz's reviews for readings, the 7970 gets 11 FPS more in Metro 2033 then the GTX 580 3gb card.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Apr 17, 2010
Messages
133 (0.03/day)
Location
Hobart, Australia
System Name B82REZ-2010
Processor AMD 1090T at 4ghz - 1.425v
Motherboard ASrock 890GX Extreme 3
Cooling Corsair H50 - Push/Pull with Noctua NF-P12's Connected Via Zalman Fan Controller
Memory 8GB Corsair Dominator's 1600mhz (Dual Memory Config)
Video Card(s) Asus 5850
Storage 60GB Corsair SSD, 2x 1TB, 1x 750GB, 5x 2TB
Display(s) 23" Full HD LG LCD, 19" Acer LCD
Case Cooler Master HAF X
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair 850HX Modular PSU
Software Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit
>2011
>Trusting AMD graphs after Bulldozer marketing
>ISHYGDDT
 
J

John Doe

Guest
dont get fanatic about this, because:
1. remember Buldozzer graphs?
2. if you have to cash (major price increase vs 6970) for every increased frame then it is no use of this new GPU generation and you copuld get that kind of preformance increase and just grab 6990 or 6950x2 for same price!

I wouldn't get any dual-GPU card of this generation. They're to be stayed away due a few reasons IMO.
 
Top