Asus VG248QE 24-inch 144Hz, 1ms, 1080p LED TN panel (still worth it?)

[RodoGodo19]

I use a dell u2414h and im happy with it but i didn't use any 144hz so i don't know the difference. I wouldn't get any TN panel now as i find the color reproduction more important in games.
There are though monitors like acer predator that are ips 1440p 144hz gsync but not in my price range(800$)

i have the same situation
main is P2414H IPS 60hz but now i have a gtx980ti and i want to play better with 144hz or 120hz or somethning, i don't know....

 

[GhostRyder]

what about this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0149QBOF0/?tag=tec06d-20

Seems fine to me, never used that one before but based on reviews and specs I would have no problem with buying it/using it.

i have the same situation
main is P2414H IPS 60hz but now i have a gtx980ti and i want to play better with 144hz or 120hz or somethning, i don't know....

Well your current monitor is decent and I don't see anything wrong with it. The GTX 980ti is overkill for it but your going to be guaranteed excellent performance so there is that.

Again, your going to hear different things back and fourth regarding TN vs IPS. Its going to be up to you whether in the end you want to pay more or less. Personally, I still say its not a great enough difference in games to warrant the extra cost of the IPS panels but I am one person. As far as quality of the picture goes I can safely tell you the picture quality is there and its very smooth, the only really downside to these TN panels in the gaming monitors is that the colors are not as bright and as accurate in some situations. For me, Battlefield 4 looks just as good at 144hz 1440p on my TN panel monitor as it does using my friends IPS 144hz 1440p monitor but I am just one person.

In the end, I still say the G-Sync is worth it if your at 144hz because its smoother and it gives you a bit more peace of mind in longevity because as games require more power and you start to lose FPS its going to still feel very smooth. As for the IPS vs TN, I like my TN panels and think it would be wiser to save the extra money and just get the TN variant but that's just me.

 

[Kanan]

i have the same situation
main is P2414H IPS 60hz but now i have a gtx980ti and i want to play better with 144hz or 120hz or somethning, i don't know....

My opinion is:

Get a 144(+) Hz 1440p TN or IPS. TN if you are okay with normal color reproduction, IPS if you want the best. And it should be 1440p because, more flexibility compared to a 1080p monitor. In the end it depends how much money you want to spent, if money is irrelevant just get a 144+ Hz 1440p IPS. Thats it

 

[trog100]

colour accuracy matters not one jot in games.. games look far better in high contrast over the top colours.. its only in photography work that colour accuracy matters and then it matters big time..

as for high refresh rates.. i have an asus rog swift 165 hrz gaming panel.. do i run it up there.. no f-cking way.. its set at 120 hrz and whilst gaming i run a frame rate cap set at around 75 fps..

with a g-sync monitor even though its set at 120 hrz or whatever.. running a frame rate cap of 75 fps means the monitor is refreshing at the same speed..

i run a frame rate cap because it saves me a few hundred watts of wall power i get less fan noise and less system heat generation..

but i also cant tell the f-cking difference between 70 fps and 140 fps.. which is a good thing because even on my system some games wont manage much more than 75 fps anyway..

i am gonna make an out and out solid statement here.. a good TN panel is ideal for gaming and so is 1080.. anything more aint really necessary.. not unless you think it is..

having a hardware fetish (guilty) aint quite the same thing as good gaming..

trog

 

[Niteblooded]

The reason the guy above doesn't see a difference between 70fps and 144 is because that is how smooth G-Sync makes gameplay. Even 30 fps gameplay won't look bad (well compared to non-G-Sync/FreeSync 30fps). As someone with a G-Sync monitor and a friend with one, G-Sync is definitely worth it. It's not placebo, its noticeable and its a gamechanger.

I also think IPS is worth it but I'm a picture quality snob and better picture quality along with richer colors immerse me in a game. Though TN panels rule on response time so if you're a hardcore FPS competitor than TN makes the most sense. Just like a photo editor most likely wouldn't choose anything other than IPS, a pro gamer probably wouldn't choose anything but TN. Up to you and your priorities if its worth it to save or not.

 

[trog100]

The reason the guy above doesn't see a difference between 70fps and 144 is because that is how smooth G-Sync makes gameplay. Even 30 fps gameplay won't look bad (well compared to non-G-Sync/FreeSync 30fps). As someone with a G-Sync monitor and a friend with one, G-Sync is definitely worth it. It's not placebo, its noticeable and its a gamechanger.

I also think IPS is worth it but I'm a picture quality snob and better picture quality along with richer colors immerse me in a game. Though TN panels rule on response time so if you're a hardcore FPS competitor than TN makes the most sense. Just like a photo editor most likely wouldn't choose anything other than IPS, a pro gamer probably wouldn't choose anything but TN. Up to you and your priorities if its worth it to save or not.

i agree with your g-sync making lower frame rates smooth.. i think that is its main advantage.. but it also negates the need for super high refresh rates..

as for the the slower IPS response time.. lets say 1ms TN as opposed to 4ms for a good IPS gaming panel.. all i can say there is i dont notice it.. i have just changed from a 1ms TN panel to a 4ms IPS panel..

but in truth all these things play off against each other.. one feature even negates the need for another feature..

at the top is plenty of gpu power.. without that bugger all else matters.. given enough gpu power to keep the frame rates very high a game will look smooth enough without any of the fancy features.. i aint a twitch pro gamer but i would guess that super high frame rates with a 1ms response time is what they target.. as far as i know they even turn off all the detail to see the enemy better..

i do edit photos as well as playing games which is why i have the panel i have.. IPS also has better viewing angles.. better viewing angles only really matter for group viewing.. sat directly in front of the monitor they dont matter much..

i do admit to having a hardware fetish.. which does mean i end up with hardware i dont really need.. i just like buying and trying stuff.. tis an expensive habit but you do get to find out what matters and what dosnt..

it is very confusing scene and about to get more so with VR arriving.. a small set of goggles could be a major game changer.. lounge back on the sofa and "immerse" away.. he he..

i aint gonna rush into VR but i can see the possibilities for some.. i do fly FPV airplanes and prefer a monitor to goggles but PC gaming might be different.. less need to see what is going on around you..

trog

ps.. i will say i was quite happy with my previous 144 hrz 1080 TN gaming panel along with very high frame rates for gaming.. i swapped to IPS for photo editing and its better viewing angles.. no other reason.. so far i see no downsides.. except the price..

 

[Vayra86]

i have the same situation
main is P2414H IPS 60hz but now i have a gtx980ti and i want to play better with 144hz or 120hz or somethning, i don't know....

If you are just planning on stepping up to 144hz and stay at 1080p, then I would say its not worth it. Even more so because you have an IPS panel right now, and 6ms IPS is very decent IPS. There really aren't much faster versions of IPS (they may say so on the box, but IPS pixel response is simply limited, best panels get 6/8-10ms G2G and that is being optimistic, they use overdrive to get there in many cases, which can produce side effects).

Consider your gameplay. Are you competitive, look at fast TN or high refresh IPS. Do you like gazing at in-game vistas and are you a sucker for eye candy, consider IPS/VA at higher resolutions @ 60-75hz. Do you really want to maintain high FPS and motion resolution, but don't play much competitively, look at 1080p or 1440p/120hz or better IPS/VA.

I belong to that last category, and I bought an Eizo FG2421, no regrets. If you are looking into high refresh 1080p VA and highest possible static contrast/deep blacks, this is the one. And even this panel isn't perfect; it has a warm up time in which dark/light transitions 'smear' a bit which is visible if you look for it, and it has a very slight tone shift off-center. However it has an unmatched strobing functionality (much better than Lightboost) and very deep blacks.

My personal checklist of must-haves when buying gaming monitors right now is this, may also help you:

- backlight uniformity must be above average / good, little to no backlight bleeding or IPS glow (this is where cheap IPS has issues, and this is a quirk you cannot get past. IPS glow will show in dimly lit rooms and it is super annoying, I'd say more so than a good TN's contrast shift)

- must have strobing backlight (one of the things 'you can't get back from' once you know what it is, basically it gives you the fluid CRT monitor feel back and eliminates blur)

- must have decent static contrast, at the very least 1000:1 (dynamic contrast = shit) Most modern IPS has 1000:1 and it ends there. If you want better, you need VA.

- native(!) 8 bit (+FRC optional) panel with good sRGB coverage

- preferably at least 75hz (if 100+hz panels are out of reach)

Hope this helps, because I really don't want to choose for you. Take your time in choice of monitor, because these things can last you many builds. Also don't let marketing decide for you, keep it to technical, hardware specific arguments and stay clear of falling for the '80 gazillion to 1 contrast ratio' bullshit. Also think hard on Gsync, if you get high refresh panels, because in most cases its not required and it is a bit of a vendor lock in.

If you want really solid reviews on monitors, check www.tftcentral.co.uk

 

[wolar]

i agree with your g-sync making lower frame rates smooth.. i think that is its main advantage.. but it also negates the need for super high refresh rates..

as for the the slower IPS response time.. lets say 1ms TN as opposed to 4ms for a good IPS gaming panel.. all i can say there is i dont notice it.. i have just changed from a 1ms TN panel to a 4ms IPS panel..

but in truth all these things play off against each other.. one feature even negates the need for another feature..

at the top is plenty of gpu power.. without that bugger all else matters.. given enough gpu power to keep the frame rates very high a game will look smooth enough without any of the fancy features.. i aint a twitch pro gamer but i would guess that super high frame rates with a 1ms response time is what they target.. as far as i know they even turn off all the detail to see the enemy better..

i do edit photos as well as playing games which is why i have the panel i have.. IPS also has better viewing angles.. better viewing angles only really matter for group viewing.. sat directly in front of the monitor they dont matter much..

i do admit to having a hardware fetish.. which does mean i end up with hardware i dont really need.. i just like buying and trying stuff.. tis an expensive habit but you do get to find out what matters and what dosnt..

it is very confusing scene and about to get more so with VR arriving.. a small set of goggles could be a major game changer.. lounge back on the sofa and "immerse" away.. he he..

i aint gonna rush into VR but i can see the possibilities for some.. i do fly FPV airplanes and prefer a monitor to goggles but PC gaming might be different.. less need to see what is going on around you..

trog

ps.. i will say i was quite happy with my previous 144 hrz 1080 TN gaming panel along with very high frame rates for gaming.. i swapped to IPS for photo editing and its better viewing angles.. no other reason.. so far i see no downsides.. except the price..

The response is not exactly what is listen on their product page , my u2414h is great for gaming and have faster response than most of the other ips even though it is listed as 8ms

Lag Classification

To help in this section we will also introduce a broader classification system for these results to help categorise each screen as one of the following levels:

• [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]Class 1) Less than 16ms / 1 frame lag - should be fine for gamers, even at high levels[/FONT]
• Class 2) A lag of 16 - 32ms / One to two frames - moderate lag but should be fine for many gamers. Caution advised for serious gaming and FPS
• Class 3) A lag of more than 32ms / more than 2 frames - Some noticeable lag in daily usage, not suitable for high end gaming

(from http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2414h.htm)​

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Sorry I'm late on this... I'd avoid the VG248QE. The colour reproduction in two different samples I got was horrible. I bought 1 from amazon, requested a return because it was absolutely impossible to get it anywhere close to decent, they sent me another, which was almost exactly the same. So I sent that back and got a XL2430T, which took about 1 minute to calibrate to a point where it was better than the IPS panel in my laptop.

As for other standard 144Hz monitors, I'd say yes. It's a huge improvement over 60Hz. I have not used any G sync/Free sync products yet, so I can't confirm any of the qualms I have about using one (most notably smoothness when running at higher framerate than display refresh rate). I have never been too bothered about screen tearing, and the only game I've seen it noticeably was in BF3 when I ran it at 60-65 FPS on a 60Hz panel, tweaking the settings/OCs to get 70-75 completely eliminated this.