NVIDIA to Launch GeForce GTX 1060 Next Week

[erocker]

No offence erocker but if you're going to thrash edit the thread can't you delete all posts that don't mention 1060? Otherwise it wasn't as vitriolic as other threads have been.

My post mentions 1060. Edit me and TPU is getting rather like an Orwellian dystopian future.

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[Nergal]

I guess were supposed to be talking about the GTX 1060? Seems like were talking about anything but it.

All this release shows is that Nvidia were scared enough to push up the launch because they didn't want to lose the market segment. The same could be said when AMD announced they were pushing Vega's release up.

The thing that matters about the 1060 is going to be how it performs and where its priced. We can already assume they are not going to leave a huge gap between the GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 in price so its probably not going to be $200, more than likely at minimum $250. On top of that if we looks at specs, we can guess that since its half the GTX 1080 on the same general architecture its going to be about half the performance. Then we can factor in the lower memory bandwidth and take that into account that could result in it being slightly below half way on the GTX 1080. If we also assume the same clocks then this is a pretty decent guess on its performance. But even then, we can't guess exact so we need to wait and see some reviews.

We need to see its performance out in the real world before judging, then we can factor in how it performs. By the looks of it, if done right it could offer decent performance especially if it overclocks well which may put it above the RX 480 in that case until we see if aftermarket variants alleviate that.

If they aren´t going towards the 200$ mark; they will lose sales solely on the fact that some people just can´t pay more. Even if it is a better product.

Hence nvidia needs to break that 199$ psychological wall to compete. And for that pricing I doubt they will invest a lot of tweaks to get it to the same performance as the Rx480. Certainly if they rush the release-date by months.


small edit: If it does perform as an Rx480 and costs about the same; it just means they pushed back the release-date by months deliberately to get people to buy the much more expensive 1070/1080. Would Nvidia do that? Why yes sir, they would.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

NVIDIA currently can't keep stock of their 1070 and 1080 so why should the 1060 be any different

Pretty sure they a purposely doing that to increase demand. In about a month or so supply shouldnt be a problem, and prices will be down a bit.

 

[Crap Daddy]

No reason to think GP106 won't offer the same tremendous improvement over GM106 like in the case of GP104. The 1080 is around 65% faster than the 980, same increase will be with 1060, that means it will be at the GTX 980 level. One can look at the performance chart here at TPU to see how aprox. faster the GTX 1060 will be compared to the 480. I think the price will be north of 250.

 

[Captain_Tom]

wonder if you can sli 2 or 3 of these.

3 is a no for every Nvidia card now. 2 is a kinda-yes as long as you buy a giant bridge and like stuttering.

 

[sergionography]

Yeah, that DirectX 12 support is super important for when you want benchmarks that show AMD cards are faster than NVIDIA ones. For actual games that people want to play, nobody cares.

Actually I care very much about dx12 games since I usually buy graphics cards every 3-4 years and at times even longer, and im sure many others do the same.
Nvidia is known to perform good on older games and then just go downhill from there, amd focuses on future technology, and have almost always historically had more ram and other features that make them more viable down the road and more future proof, something day 1 reviews cant cover.
Ive said this many times in forums but i will say it again, go and check day 1 reviews for gtx780ti, and compare it to the r9 290 and r9 290x, and then go back and check the most recent review that includes those cards(rx 480 review) and notice how at this point even the r9 290 is beating gtx780ti by a small margin when it was losing by a great margin on release. So go and tell those gtx780ti users that their 699usd investment was worth it 2.5 years ago seeing that a 400usd card is beating it by now(driver optimization/newer games)
Nvidia right now seems efficient because they designed a minimalistic architecture based on what the customer "can do without". Amd on the other hand is feature rich and full of untapped potential (compute, async etc.) and follows an exact opposite methodology of "this feature may become handy so lets add it"

And since you hated the car analogy so much Im Going to bother you with another one right now XD
Nvidia is a stripped out race car with a small focused that only focuses on racing, has no Ac or any added luxury that doesnt contribute to making the car faster down a track.

Amd is a sports road car that has many luxuries and features therefore is heavier, so thet fitted a bigger more beefy engine to make it just as fast down the track, but with less fuel efficiency due to it being a heavier car and more of a balanced all rounder.

There you go by the end of this thread were gonna be fighting over which is better lambo or ferrari.

 

[the54thvoid]

the54thvoid said: ↑
No offence erocker but if you're going to thrash edit the thread can't you delete all posts that don't mention 1060? Otherwise it wasn't as vitriolic as other threads have been.

My post mentions 1060. Edit me and TPU is getting rather like an Orwellian dystopian future.



DalekDukesboy says....Ok, the Nvidia 8800 ultra rules FTW, you all suck, I'm calling out Erocker in main chat not pm and TPU has become a raging commune of dictators seeking a totalitarian socialistic state epitomized by its' attempt to act like big brother in classic Orwellian fashion....Oh was this a thread about the...what was it again?

Your post is double plus bad.

On the whole 1060 thing though, I don't understand why Nvidia don't price it low (it's a xx60 ffs). They can afford to unless it would make the gulf from it to the 1070 look ridonkulous.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Your post is double plus bad.

On the whole 1060 thing though, I don't understand why Nvidia don't price it low (it's a xx60 ffs). They can afford to unless it would make the gulf from it to the 1070 look ridonkulous.

But that IS the problem you see. The 1070 is 40% stronger than the 480 while costing 100% more! If the 1060 is indeed 10% stronger than the 480 it will be within 30% of the 1070 while costing WAY 90% less. But if they price it at $300 it looks like a joke compared to the $230 480 with more VRAM.

 

[Watashi_Omda]

Hopefully we see more GTX 1070 stock by the time this one is released. I've been hunting for one for weeks now.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Your post is double plus bad.

On the whole 1060 thing though, I don't understand why Nvidia don't price it low (it's a xx60 ffs). They can afford to unless it would make the gulf from it to the 1070 look ridonkulous.

Never underestimate the zeal with which NVIDIA will overprice this segment. I hope I'm wrong, but I feel 1060 will be expensive for mid-tier vs the RX 480.

 

[sergionography]

But that IS the problem you see. The 1070 is 40% stronger than the 480 while costing 100% more! If the 1060 is indeed 10% stronger than the 480 it will be within 30% of the 1070 while costing WAY 90% less. But if they price it at $300 it looks like a joke compared to the $230 480 with more VRAM.

Lol well pricing doesnt really work as such.

Also the only way gtx1060 would be 10% faster than rx480 is if they clock it like 15-20% higher than gtx 1080

 

[xorbe]

1280 cores, well that's more than the 960's 1024, but a pretty heavy slashing from the 1070's 1920. Compared to 1070, 75% bandwidth and 67% cores. So multiply current 1070 scores by 70% for a rough estimate? If the post up there is correct (1070 is 140% of RW 480) then that puts the 1060 right around RX 480 (maybe 125w rating?). Just that I totally expect it to be $299.

 

[Tatty_Two]

1280 cores, well that's more than the 960's 1024, but a pretty heavy slashing from the 1070's 1920. Compared to 1070, 75% bandwidth and 67% cores. So multiply current 1070 scores by 70% for a rough estimate?

In turn, that might suggest that they could be clocked damn high

 

[GhostRyder]

If they aren´t going towards the 200$ mark; they will lose sales solely on the fact that some people just can´t pay more. Even if it is a better product.

Hence nvidia needs to break that 199$ psychological wall to compete. And for that pricing I doubt they will invest a lot of tweaks to get it to the same performance as the Rx480. Certainly if they rush the release-date by months.


small edit: If it does perform as an Rx480 and costs about the same; it just means they pushed back the release-date by months deliberately to get people to buy the much more expensive 1070/1080. Would Nvidia do that? Why yes sir, they would.

They may lose some, but bear in mind they are already viewed above regardless of truth over AMD so people will buy it regardless. They will price it accordingly with where the other cards in their lineup are and if they have a spot (IF) for a GTX 1060ti.

Your post is double plus bad.

On the whole 1060 thing though, I don't understand why Nvidia don't price it low (it's a xx60 ffs). They can afford to unless it would make the gulf from it to the 1070 look ridonkulous.

It depends where it actually falls performance wise. I don't think they are going to price it because of where the RX 480 lies, they are more than likely going to price it close enough to the GTX 1070 to keep the other prices relevant (IMHO) and offer a certain value for each segment. If it really did fall in the same line (200-250) as the RX 480, I think it would be viewed as such a bargain it would steal to many potential sales of higher products. But then again I am just speculating so who knows...

I just wonder how it realistically will perform with those specs and how well it will clock. Though personally like last round the card that will interest me the most is if the GTX 1050/ti will have a variant with no power connector in the lower market.

 

[chief-gunney]

Indications are that the gtx1060 6gb will be priced at $300 with clock speeds around 1.5ghz.
Indications are that partner modified RX 480 with better cooling and 8 pin power connector will reach oc speeds around 1.5ghz +, and I speculate they'll be around the $300 price mark.
So I think they'll both end up with similiar performance but in that case I'd personally prefer the Rx480 with higher bandwidth and more memory and better Dx12 performance.
At this point in time I'd like to see more people support AMD and freesync and try and get these huge prices for top end cards down. (Although it will take Vega for that to possibly eventuate)
I just wish AMD would have been able to release the rx480 with good cooling and an 8 pin connector for the same price.

 

[xorbe]

In turn, that might suggest that they could be clocked damn high

They can clock the gpu harder say by 10%, but the 75% vram bandwidth will cap perf. Would raise watt rating to 140w probably.

edit: The boost clock is 1700, so the base clock should be in line with 1070/1080, nothing out of the ordinary. My 125w estimate was off by 5 watts. =P

 

[HD64G]

You couldn't be more wrong..... If you are correct, AMD are in huge trouble but I'm 99.9% sure that the GTX 1060 will be on par with or even a tad slower.

Also, on an odd note for me, getting really pissed off at Nvidia's pricing strategy. If AMD made a better product, I'd jump ship in a flash.

Just wait for a factory oced custom RX480. That will be a perfect gaming on a budget card indeed.

 

[danbert2000]

Indications are that the gtx1060 6gb will be priced at $300 with clock speeds around 1.5ghz.
Indications are that partner modified RX 480 with better cooling and 8 pin power connector will reach oc speeds around 1.5ghz +, and I speculate they'll be around the $300 price mark.
So I think they'll both end up with similiar performance but in that case I'd personally prefer the Rx480 with higher bandwidth and more memory and better Dx12 performance.
At this point in time I'd like to see more people support AMD and freesync and try and get these huge prices for top end cards down. (Although it will take Vega for that to possibly eventuate)
I just wish AMD would have been able to release the rx480 with good cooling and an 8 pin connector for the same price.

There are no such indications that partner boards will have double the OC potential. Don't just make stuff up. I'm sure that extra cooling and power will let the RX 480 boost up to 1400 MHz but with the current power draw figures, you're going to get 1080-like power consumption with 1060-like performance. If this keeps up, Nvidia is going to run away with the prebuilt market, the ITX crowd, and any layperson that looks up benchmarks for current games or VR stuff and realizes that the 1060 is faster and can actually overclock.

 

[ensabrenoir]

....for those who say nvidia overcharges for everything......maybe they do ....but it also affords them enough of a cushion to evenly/under charge once in a while to do this to the competition:

the gpu wars continue!!!!!!!!!

could the 1060 be the new 970....without the oopsies?

 

[CounterZeus]

meanwhile first mobos are blowing up thanks to the RX480 power draw. Bad press will push more customers to the gtx1060 me thinks.

 

[chief-gunney]

There are no such indications that partner boards will have double the OC potential. Don't just make stuff up. I'm sure that extra cooling and power will let the RX 480 boost up to 1400 MHz but with the current power draw figures, you're going to get 1080-like power consumption with 1060-like performance. If this keeps up, Nvidia is going to run away with the prebuilt market, the ITX crowd, and any layperson that looks up benchmarks for current games or VR stuff and realizes that the 1060 is faster and can actually overclock.

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-asus-strix-msi-gaming/

 

[danbert2000]

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-asus-strix-msi-gaming/

"AIB partners are reporting to me this morning that with extremely good custom air coolers the 480 GPUs are seeing from 1480MHz to 1600MHz clocks, but tell me it is a “lottery draw” on GPUs."

Okay, so 1 in 10 get a great overclock and probably 200-250 watt power draw to match a 980. I'm shocked. Meanwhile, Pascal starts at 1500 MHz and goes up to 2100 MHz with less power draw from their high end card...

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Your post is double plus bad.

On the whole 1060 thing though, I don't understand why Nvidia don't price it low (it's a xx60 ffs). They can afford to unless it would make the gulf from it to the 1070 look ridonkulous.

Come on, where's the sense of humor? I'll take double plus "bad" as a compliment. I do find the ravings of red vs green pretty funny on here though as well as some over zealous Orwelians On topic I WANTED to like the 480 and Wiz's review didn't impress me whatsoever, I saw other reviews with better overclocking results and lower thermals but even there if this 1060 has decent clocking ability and is even more efficient than it's bigger brother, good cooling etc my honest gut feeling is it's going to thrash the 480 if priced accordingly. Just my instinct and intuition looking at 480 and the 1070/1080 and what they can do.

 

[Maddox]

Nvidia has way too many sneaky practices, in my opinion, from the yearly Titan offering being torpedoed by a half-priced, more powerful x80Ti release every holiday season, to the 3.5GB 970 fiasco, to chopping up chips and limiting memory bus width way too far to artificially meet market segments and price points-- the most recent one being the GTX 960.

A 20% to 25% performance bump per generation should be the norm at the mainstream level and the 960 was a ridiculous and uninspiring 8% faster than 760, give or take.

I think Nvidia owes its fans an official apology for the underwhelming 960 in the form of a $200 +/- 1060 base model that exceeds the generational 25% increase, which shouldn't be hard considering just how badly they gimped the GM206 simply to meet their idea of the mainstream segment.

 

[danbert2000]

I think Nvidia owes its fans an official apology for the underwhelming 960 in the form of a $200 +/- 1060 base model that exceeds the generational 25% increase, which shouldn't be hard considering just how badly they gimped the GM206 simply to meet their idea of the mainstream segment.

If the 1080 and 1070 are any indications, generational performance increase is going to be closer to 70%.