AMD Announces Radeon Vega Frontier Edition - Not for Gamers

[yotano211]

If this thing is going to be release in late June, when is the consumer card going to launch, late July?

 

[TheGuruStud]

Why is there not a single video of this presentation online?

And where would they get a volta to test from? The video card fairy that appears out of ether? All 20 they made so far were sold LOL

 

[cotes42]

Can someone please tell me what the 4 screw holes are for at the end of the card! I have a Radeon Pro Duo with the same 4 screw holes and I asked everywhere and no one can make a guess. Thanks!

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Server cases can have mounts on both sides of the card to prevent it from sagging.

 

[ZoneDymo]

p100, not v100

yeah he knows, he is asking how AMD is suppose to pit their stuff against something that has only been announced...aka not here yet.

 

[Camm]

People really need to get it into their heads that AMD is NOT an enthusiast company anymore. (but some of our interests may intersect).

Why? Well for better or for worse, we didn't buy their products (even when they did have superior designs), so they've moved onto other markets where they will.

So of course Vega is targeted at FP16, and is why we've had a tonne of talk from AMD about working with companies to target shaders for FP16 (games don't really need FP32 for most tasks). Most computational tasks use FP16, so guess where the bulk of Vega's design is!

Its like Ryzen with its CCX setup. Cross CCX calls hurt gaming tasks, but most batch computational tasks don't care about the increase in latency, and is beneficial overall as it allows AMD to avoid the increasingly large and complex amount of silicon in order to maintain cache coherency like Intel designs (allowing more cores, lower power usage and faster cores overall).

 

[W1zzard]

is targeted at FP16

If you have FP16 support then FP16 is twice as fast as FP32 because 16 vs 32 bits. Not a huge miracle I'd say

 

[R-T-B]

Too bad this isn't the days of past where workstation boards could be bios modded for gaming.

Wouldn't make a difference as cost is sure to be the limiting factor, not the bios.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

So according to this

Vega will have less memory bandwidth than the FuryX?

If everything is optimized, shouldn't the card utilize more bandwidth? Also the 16GB is only 2048bit I would assume?

On a side note, that metallic blue color surely is beautiful. The gold one is not that bad as well.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

HBM bandwidth is directly tied to how many stacks. It has less bandwidth than Fiji because it has two stacks versus four and presumably at a slightly lower clock speed too. Thing is, those two stacks are 8 x 1 GiB layers so it is much denser.

Vega should be cheaper to manufacturer than Fiji.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

HBM bandwidth is directly tied to how many stacks. It has less bandwidth than Fiji because it has two stacks versus four and presumably at a slightly lower clock speed too. Thing is, those two stacks are 8 x 1 GiB layers so it is much denser.

Vega should be cheaper to manufacturer than Fiji.

I was hoping these to be 4 stacks of 4GB at 4096bit. Oh well.

The rumor of Vega in limited quantity could be true. If the gaming performance doesn't justify Vega in gaming GPU ranks, I can totally see AMD rebrand it as deep learning GPU and sell it for way better profit than gaming GPU.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

People really need to get it into their heads that AMD is NOT an enthusiast company anymore. (but some of our interests may intersect).

The existence of ryzen seems to disagree with you. It's performance is the definition of "enthusiast". It's a whole 2-5% slower in games (while still maintaining over 100FPS) and wallops intel in creative production, with better price/perf to boot and an 8 core chip in the standard socket that doesnt suck.

Why? Well for better or for worse, we didn't buy their products (even when they did have superior designs), so they've moved onto other markets where they will.

That simply isnt true. When AMD was competitive, IE the 5000 and 7000 series, They sold quite well.

AMD could never get their driver game together when they had good hardware, and that scared away quite a few consumers. By the time they got their drivers mostly straightened out (400 series), their hardware was a generation behind.

Given how complicated GPUs are, it will take years for RTG to straighten out the damage that AMD did to the ATI GPU. With ryzen selling well and vega finally out, R+D should finally start catching up to nvidia.

 

[Camm]

The existence of ryzen seems to disagree with you. It's performance is the definition of "enthusiast". It's a whole 2-5% slower in games (while still maintaining over 100FPS) and wallops intel in creative production, with better price/perf to boot and an 8 core chip in the standard socket that doesnt suck..

Quite the contrary. Ryzen is an example where our interests align. However a truly aimed at enthusiasts chip wouldn't have used a LPP process for the chip, and would likely have been a single heterogeneous design. It just works out that because Intel has been bleeding the market from a monopoly perspective that Ryzen works 'well enough' in gaming that we are more than happy to lap up its other advantages.

 

[cdawall]

And what do you know consumers are delayed again. I am no longer worried that I made the wrong choice. Thank you AMD for confirming I shouldn't wait. This is frustrating I just want to see the succeed, but it is like they are determined to let us down at every single turn.

 

[Brusfantomet]

Given how complicated GPUs are, it will take years for RTG to straighten out the damage that AMD did to the ATI GPU. With ryzen selling well and vega finally out, R+D should finally start catching up to nvidia.

The driver problems for the radeon line stems from the ATi time, not from the AMD time (first AMD designed radeon was the HD 7970 with GCN. Previews designs was based on VLIW design dating from the 9700 series)

 

[evernessince]

Quite the contrary. Ryzen is an example where our interests align. However a truly aimed at enthusiasts chip wouldn't have used a LPP process for the chip, and would likely have been a single heterogeneous design. It just works out that because Intel has been bleeding the market from a monopoly perspective that Ryzen works 'well enough' in gaming that we are more than happy to lap up its other advantages.

Yes, because you know what Ryzen needed more than AMD's engineers. I must have missed that it's a rousing success.

FYI enthusiast does not equal forget efficiency, especially in today's world.

 

[R00kie]

I seriously hope that HBCC isn't something that game developers have to code for, and it is just driver dependant...

 

[TheGuruStud]

And what do you know consumers are delayed again. I am no longer worried that I made the wrong choice. Thank you AMD for confirming I shouldn't wait. This is frustrating I just want to see the succeed, but it is like they are determined to let us down at every single turn.

Give them a few billion and you wouldn't have to wait.

What's that? Intel stole it all and got away with it? No way....

 

[cdawall]

Give them a few billion and you wouldn't have to wait.

What's that? Intel stole it all and got away with it? No way....

Keep clinging to that one. I have played that card and played that card the entire time that the FX series was their lineup. It isn't going to change how piss poor the FX design was and how horridly it ruined their name in the market. That was on them, not intel, not the consumers. They did a bad job and payed for it with market share.

Mind showing me on here where intel cheated AMD? oh wait that was the P4 era. 2006 was the release of the Core 2 architecture and AMD never came back, they never released a product that performed better in that entire time either.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

2006 was the year Core 2 Duo debuted and AMD bought out ATI (so AMD had no capital). Bulldozer debuted in 2011.

 

[cdawall]

2006 was the year Core 2 Duo debuted and AMD bought out ATI (so AMD had no capital). Bulldozer debuted in 2011.

Yup core 2 marked the end for AMD having competing market share. Bulldozer only made it worse. Here is to the hope that Ryzen can start the deep dig out.

 

[OneCool]

Not surprised really. I'm sure I'm not the only one that's noticed the trend in AMDs releases.
Massive work station/rendering CPUs, upgrades to their workstation pro line GPUs...the threadripper!!?? Coming too

AMD invested a lot into consule gaming with Sony, Nintendo and Xbox.
Why would they want to improve their PC gaming hardware?

 

[sweet]

So according to this
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Vega will have less memory bandwidth than the FuryX?

If everything is optimized, shouldn't the card utilize more bandwidth? Also the 16GB is only 2048bit I would assume?

On a side note, that metallic blue color surely is beautiful. The gold one is not that bad as well.

They introduced new compression with Polaris already. Less bandwidth but more effective now.

 

[ShurikN]

Oh my god, the watercooled golden version is sick. Probably the best looking piece of hardware I've seen since In Win 904.

 

[RejZoR]

People complaining Vega isn't positioned against V100. Dudes, all of you, V100 DOESN'T EXIST YET.

Also, what's up with "It's not a gamer card" and then they place it on a graph next to R9 Fury X. Ugh?