Next Gen Core i5 Desktop Processor Confirmed to Feature HyperThreading

[Bones]

The way they're going they won't be passing anything anytime soon.
No, Ryzen won't be shortlived as put above, it's gonna be a long fight just to stay even with them as things are going now.

 

[cucker tarlson]

You can get it 9600k for around 190 recently I checked. A friend got one for 170 in black Friday.

not bad.

 

[Juankato1987]

Just one question, Why CPU's of both Intel and AMD, have been stock in cache L3 for so long,
I think its time to update caches to L5, (L4 was buffer for iGPU or something like that).
Or increase sizes of L1 and L2

 

[Space Lynx]

15% or any other number hasn't been confirmed by anyone from AMD. AMD fans sometimes need to stop drinking too much kool-aid.

Edit: made the statement bold for the daft who continue to argue with me without providing any quotes with numbers. WTF is wrong with you?

Yes, they did or at-least hinted about the ipc gain.

AMD: ZEN3 architecture finished – expects 15% faster IPC

AMD’s earlier this week hosted a presentation at the SC19 conference, an International Conference for High-Performance Computing, Networking, Storage, and Analysis. AMD made some interesting remarks...

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mmm nom nom. not my fault you don't keep up with news. get skill bruh

 

[Turmania]

Ryzen is stuck around 4.2ghz for 2 generations now. They done a great job with it, but they maxed it out already.

 

[Space Lynx]

Ryzen is stuck around 4.2ghz for 2 generations now. They done a great job with it, but they maxed it out already.

you don't understand what IPC gains mean do you... lol wow.

 

[birdie]

mmm nom nom. not my fault you don't keep up with news. get skill bruh

Where does a single AMD representive make any claims in hard numbers?

 

[Turmania]

I always liked to support underdogs, next build which is hopefully summer of 2020, i7 10700K and an Intel gpu

 

[candle_86]

Of course there will be some premium as they will be significantly better cpus; 9600k is already better than 3600(x), so the new 6/12 i5(s) will mop the floor with it and once more become the go-to gaming cpu in the manner of i5s of old (2nd-4th gen)

In the best case scenario for AMD, they will finally (only) match Coffee Lake with Zen3, but 10th gen will be out quite a bit sooner, so...

I guess if you only use it for gaming and only gaming, but in anything else and is already faster while clocked lower, I don't know about you but I use handbrake and makemkv and other things that are in Amds court big time.

 

[efikkan]

Just one question, Why CPU's of both Intel and AMD, have been stock in cache L3 for so long,
I think its time to update caches to L5, (L4 was buffer for iGPU or something like that).
Or increase sizes of L1 and L2

Well, it's not like L5 would be better over L4, actually each additional cache layer is less beneficial than the previous one. The L4 implementation in Broadwell was an on-die DRAM chip, and was already approaching the latency of RAM, so at that point what good would L5 do?

But I think it's about time with some larger cache improvements. While cache sizes have remained fairly stable for Intel, both Haswell and Skylake greatly improved cache bandwidth. Skylake SP/X also changed L3 to make it non-inclusive, in contrast with other (consumer) Intel models which still contain a duplication of L2 in L3, just in case another core needs it, which is "rare". This improvement will not reach Intel's mainstream models until Tiger Lake(Willow Cove).

I think Intel and AMD should take a different approach to improving L2 and L3. L3 is a spillover cache, so it only contains data evicted from L2, but since L2 and L3 contain both data and instruction cache combined, streaming data could essentially be pushing out "more useful" instruction cache. I would prefer if L2 and L3 was split like L1 is, then it could be used more efficiently and more tightly integrated. They could also prioritize lower latency for the instruction cache and more bandwidth for the data cache, etc.

 

[Metroid]

competition made this to happen.

 

[Fluffmeister]

A shitty duopoly which desperately needs more competition.

 

[Crackong]

Ryzen is stuck around 4.2ghz for 2 generations now. They done a great job with it, but they maxed it out already.

2700x - 4.35GHz Max
3950x - 4.6-ish GHz Max

What do you mean 4.2 ?

 

[Minus Infinity]

Toot little, too late. The complete line-up is largely a joke, if it doesn't get priced very competitive.
And again of course a new socket, as always. Greedy basterds.

Price is irrelevant now, I would use them if they were free.

 

[Space Lynx]

Where does a single AMD representive make any claims in hard numbers?

another 12-15% IPC gain is inbound Fall 2020. and it doesn't need 70 security patches bi-monthly like Intel. sorry this upsets you.

 

[Turmania]

2700x - 4.35GHz Max
3950x - 4.6-ish GHz Max

What do you mean 4.2 ?

All core boost

 

[Crackong]

All core boost

9900k has a all core boost of 4.7(first 30s) then 4.2GHz all core boost.
3700x/3800x all core boosts around 4.15~4.2GHz

10980xe all core boost 3.8GHz
3950x all core boost 3.9GHz

As for old gen Ryzen
1800x all core boost 3.7GHz
2700x all core boost around 4GHz

 

[Kapone33]

Ryzen is stuck around 4.2ghz for 2 generations now. They done a great job with it, but they maxed it out already.

That is not true. My 1700 could not go past 3.9, my 2600 handled 4.2 fine and the 3600 could probably do 4.4 no problem.

 

[efikkan]

A shitty duopoly which desperately needs more competition.

I'll take a sh***y duopoly over a sh***ier de-facto monopoly.
There is unfortunately no realistic third competitor on the horizon.

another 12-15% IPC gain is inbound Fall 2020. and it doesn't need 70 security patches bi-monthly like Intel. sorry this upsets you.

We'll see about those IPC claims.
Stop pretending that hardware bugs is an Intel problem. All desktop CPUs launched in the last ~15 years have a long errata.

9900k has a all core boost of 4.7(first 30s) then 4.2GHz all core boost.
3700x/3800x all core boosts around 4.15~4.2GHz

True, but a few important details;
- Zen boosts cores individually within power and thermal limits.
- Zen also have XFR which is an additional burst speed on top of that.
So actual clock speeds with multicore loads can actually be quite different from rated specs.

 

[Space Lynx]

Stop pretending that hardware bugs is an Intel problem. All desktop CPUs launched in the last ~15 years have a long errata.

not pretending at all. there have literally been 500+ patches, whether firmware, BIOS, or OS level implemented for Intel within last 3 years. Maybe 3 or 4 for AMD. lol

New "Plundervolt" Intel CPU Vulnerability Exploits vCore to Fault SGX and Steal Protected Data

A group of cybersecurity researchers have discovered a new security vulnerability affecting Intel processors, which they've craftily named "Plundervolt," a portmanteau of the words "plunder" and "undervolt." Chronicled under CVE-2019-11157, it was first reported to Intel in June 2019 under its...

www.techpowerup.com

here is another vulnerability for intel only as of yesterday, LOL. i swear its weekly now at this point.

 

[ERazer]

I always liked to support underdogs, next build which is hopefully summer of 2020, i7 10700K and an Intel gpu

along with new motherboard