The New "Can it run Crysis" Standard...

[lexluthermiester]

WELL it's good Business for Nvidia make SLI with Nv link only available to People who will shell out nearly 3600 $ for 2 3090 s and and nvlink for 80 bucks.

No it's not, it's a crap business model. You want to make money from something, make available to the masses. The problem is, no one but enthusiasts want to do SLI because of the costs of motherboards and a second GPU. Then there's the whole noise & power factors. Two GPU's make twice the noise and use twice the power(creating twice the heat). No to mention the larger case. The average gamer wants simple, quiet and inexpensive.

 

[Bubster]

No it's not, it's a crap business model. You want to make money from something, make available to the masses. The problem is, no one but enthusiasts want to do SLI because of the costs of motherboards and a second GPU. Then there's the whole noise & power factors. Two GPU's make twice the noise and use twice the power(creating twice the heat). No to mention the larger case. The average gamer wants simple, quiet and inexpensive.

Trust me i know that i run an SLI (my third) it's ran at max and both cards are overclocked to the brim great cooling nearly 14 fans (mostly be quiet and Corsair RGBs) in my rig...but i ran 4K gaming more than 3 years ago at high FPS...when i said that about Nvidia i was criticising but Nvidia is under pressure from wall street bankers to squeeze every dollar they can out of (The Herd) same for apple and all the tech businesses...

 

[hat]

I don't think it's stupid at all.


You don't have to play it or use the term. There is an alternative now; "Will it run MSFS2020?"

It's a standard that was very useful for helping those people not in the know understand in basic terms the power of a system. The remaster just takes that to the next level for current gen equipment. I think it's cool. But then again, I'm a big fan of the original game, so I have some bias and nostalgia going on...

It wasn't stupid at first, but it became stupid when I started seeing it multiple times per day, every day, for a decade...

 

[Deleted member 50521]

When the developer becomes self aware of the meme and rushed to make a quick buck. Yikes. Not interested of boring remake.

 

[Bubster]

GTX 780 in SLI
GTX 980 TI in SLI
GTX 1080 in SLI

A lotta heat a lotta noise with the first 2 but great Performance back in FHD and in QHD and later on with pascal in 4k and i tried a 1080 TI watercooled with an nzxt cooler i only couldn't sli it because of the high cost.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Trust me i know that i run an SLI (my third) it's ran at max and both cards are overclocked to the brim great cooling nearly 14 fans (mostly be quiet and Corsair RGBs) in my rig...but i ran 4K gaming more than 3 years ago at high FPS...when i said that about Nvidia i was criticizing but Nvidia is under pressure from wall street bankers to squeeze every dollar they can out of (The Herd) same for apple and all the tech businesses...

GTX 780 in SLI
GTX 980 TI in SLI
GTX 1080 in SLI

A lotta heat a lotta noise with the first 2 but great Performance back in FHD and in QHD and later on with pascal in 4k and i tried a 1080 TI watercooled with an nzxt cooler i only couldn't sli it because of the high cost.

You are the exception rather than the rule. The vast majority of PC owners do not have or want a setup like yours. NVidia knows this and is shifting their focus appropriately.

It wasn't stupid at first, but it became stupid when I started seeing it multiple times per day, every day, for a decade...

It did get annoying for a while didn't it. However, at this point it's become a little part of tech culture.

When the developer becomes self aware of the meme and rushed to make a quick buck. Yikes. Not interested of boring remake.

Oh that's just a silly notion. They're not remaking Crysis just to refresh a cultural phrase. They're doing it because it's a well loved game and deserves some remake love and they want to make some money.

 

[Apocalypsee]

They still don't make this new remaster multi threaded.

Crysis Remastered suffers from single-thread CPU issues, just like the original game

Crysis is heavily CPU bottlenecked, even on modern-day systems. Unfortunately, Crysis Remastered suffers from the very same CPU optimization issues.

www.dsogaming.com

 

[lexluthermiester]

They still don't make this new remaster multi threaded.

Crysis Remastered suffers from single-thread CPU issues, just like the original game

Crysis is heavily CPU bottlenecked, even on modern-day systems. Unfortunately, Crysis Remastered suffers from the very same CPU optimization issues.

www.dsogaming.com

Reading that article and looking at their own screenshots shows that they must either be on some serious drugs or that they simply do not understand the context of what is visible right in from of them.

This is with a 9900k and an RTX2080ti @1080p. Yeah, duh. They have the Vulkan Ray-tracing extension on and with "Very-High" settings Anti-aliasing is set to max. So naturally they are going to be CPU pegged and frame limited. Take settings up to 4k and turn down the AA and the frame rate picture changes more than a little bit. That article is amateur-hour, not to be taken seriously.

 

[delshay]

I regret buying this game just for a paint job & ray tracing. It was listed to have vulkan API this was the reason I bought it. Well it's DX11.

Simply not worth the asking price even thou I got it a little cheaper just before the price went up. In my case I'm much better off with the original which I have. This game would be worth it if it was around 14.99 UKP, but not at it's current price..

 

[Splinterdog]

My performance increased dramatically when I turned off software ray tracing. Running on high settings I was usually getting around 20fps, playable but far from perfect.
Afterwards I'm now getting around 40-50fps.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It was listed to have vulkan API this was the reason I bought it. Well it's DX11.

It has both. The DX11 portion handles the general GFX and the Vulkan RTRT Extension handles the ray-tracing. API blending is not a new and works well when done right.

My performance increased dramatically when I turned off software ray tracing. Running on high settings I was usually getting around 20fps, playable but far from perfect.
Afterwards I'm now getting around 40-50fps.

Turn off anti-aliasing and turn the RT back on. Then see what happens.

 

[Splinterdog]

It has both. The DX11 portion handles the general GFX and the Vulkan RTRT Extension handles the ray-tracing. API blending is not a new and works well when done right.


Turn off anti-aliasing and turn the RT back on. Then see what happens.

RT reduces performance when I turn it back on.
Anyway, the game does use all the cores.

 

[delshay]

RT reduces performance when I turn it back on.
Anyway, the game does use all the cores.
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Gee only 38fps, lost for words here.

EDIT: Remastered version has a built in benchmark, you may want to try that.

 

[londiste]

Reading that article and looking at their own screenshots shows that they must either be on some serious drugs or that they simply do not understand the context of what is visible right in from of them.
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This is with a 9900k and an RTX2080ti @1080p. Yeah, duh. They have the Vulkan Ray-tracing extension on and with "Very-High" settings Anti-aliasing is set to max. So naturally they are going to be CPU pegged and frame limited. Take settings up to 4k and turn down the AA and the frame rate picture changes more than a little bit. That article is amateur-hour, not to be taken seriously.

What is wrong with the linked article? I do not spot anything that would be obviously wrong. Crysis Remastered itself uses DX11 and VKRay. VKRay is simply Nvidia-ish implementation on Vulkan VK API that CryTek uses (hopefully to hardware accelerate their hybrid SVOGI). RT should be (and by all accounts seems to be) running mostly on GPU. Antialiasing not not a CPU-heavy effect either, more to the opposite, it should be pegging the GPU.

Their description and screenshots point at a fairly classic case of CPU bound especially with one CPU core at a noticeably higher usage. Screenshot from @Splinterdog seems to confirm the same - there are one or two CPU cores that are with higher usage than others and some that are barely used. Not clearly limited probably thanks to a faster CPU or more GPU-bound settings.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Anyway, the game does use all the cores.

True, but it doesn't need to. As your screenshot shows, it's spreading it's workload across many of them. So now turn off RTRT and leave AA off as well and you will see your FPS get back up.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Hehehe...this guy barely hits 40fps (and is usually well below that) torturing his poor 1070 on the remaster.

 

[sepheronx]

Yeap, I just purchased it for $18 CAD as I got some discount through Epic.

System (HP Z420)
Intel Xeon E5 1620 V2
16gb (2x8GB) 1866 ECC REG RAM
ASUS GTX 1070 Turbo
500gb SSD

Yeah, doesn't nearly max out CPU but the GPU maxed out at 1080p on high settings with Ray Tracing at performance and SMAA 1x, its about 40 - 50fps average for me.

 

[Frick]

No it's not, it's a crap business model. You want to make money from something, make available to the masses. The problem is, no one but enthusiasts want to do SLI because of the costs of motherboards and a second GPU. Then there's the whole noise & power factors. Two GPU's make twice the noise and use twice the power(creating twice the heat). No to mention the larger case. The average gamer wants simple, quiet and inexpensive.

Agreed on all points, but I really wish Hybrid Crossfire would have taken off.

 

[delshay]

It has both. The DX11 portion handles the general GFX and the Vulkan RTRT Extension handles the ray-tracing. API blending is not a new and works well when done right.

I should have known better. It looks like Cryengine does not fully support vulkan unless someone can point me to a windows PC game that support vulkan. This is why i think it's only used on RTRT.
I'm guessing it will get full vukan support sometime in the future.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm guessing it will get full vukan support sometime in the future.

That's very possible and would be welcome.

 

[GreiverBlade]

well, it's like a program extension for a meme ...

buuuut, personal opinion warning, what's the deal with the Remastered ... i looked at side by side video and at last 70% of the game looked like a downgrade rather than a remaster ... (which tell how good was the 2007 one already ) some thing are improved like AO and RT ... but feel minor, some scene lightning feel too much exaggerated (not even worth mentioning or even activating HDR on HDR compatible monitors ) and some enemies looked, errr, not good (example the 1st Ceph introduction ) for me 2007 Crysis is still the better one ..

nonetheless, i have Crysis 2 and 3 (well when the initial got out ... my PC was a ... mhh "office work pc" anthem of the "can i run crysis? NAY FOOLS!" ) maybe i will get the remastered for completion (mhh that remind me i need to find Warhead also ) once i change my configuration ...

 

[Vayra86]

RT reduces performance when I turn it back on.
Anyway, the game does use all the cores.
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38 FPS for thát picture?! What the hell is happening to the world. It looks okay... but... This is Far Cry, GR Wildlands, or?

I mean...

And this was running at 100+ FPS on a 1080... and as a full open world instead of a linear mission... with much lower CPU load to boot

 

[sepheronx]

I did a quick run through and tested my machine with it.

HP z420
Xeon 1620 v2
16 gb (2x8) DDR3 ECC REG 1866
ASUS GTX 1070 Turbo
ADATA SU800 SSD

I'll have to do further testing on this to see best performance and image quality.

 

[FinneousPJ]

DF honestly trashed this game

Like people already noted in this thread, CPU performance is horrible and the graphics are sometimes worse than the original game! I take it back, I don't think this game should go into the benchmarking suite of reviewers.

 

[Vya Domus]

They were never going to re write the whole game to remove some of the performance limitations, though for 30 bucks I sure would have expected them to in a sane world.

Also, the art style was butchered, many cut scenes make me cringe.