Better Cooling Options 10850k

[BarbaricSoul]

Looking for a better cooling solution for my 10850k. I want to be able to run it at 100% full load @ 4.9GHz and at least stay under 90' c, preferably under 80'c. I am currently using a 240mm AIO unit (see system specs), and my CPU runs mid-high 90'ties at full load. Full load is achieved by running the WCG BOINC client. Is there a air cooler (preferred) or AIO unit that can handle a 10850k clocked at 4.9GHz all cores/threads at 100% full load and meet my desired temperature levels? Or is custom water cooling required for my desired results?

 

[Nuckles56]

I guess your options would probably something like the nh-15d with some more powerful fans (so quite a bit noiser) or really a 360mm AIO (Which is the better option if you don't want to go custom water cooling)

 

[BarbaricSoul]

price is the only reason I don't want to go custom water cooling

 

[Deleted member 202104]

You might be better served dropping back to stock (4.8 all core) and tweaking voltage down. I can run 100% around 80c on a U12s with a second fan in a fairly poor airflow case.

 

[PaulieG]

Not all AIO's are created equal. If you check out Gamer's Nexus reviews of AIO's, the Arctic Cooling Freezer II and EK AIO were much better than your run of the mill Asetek AIO's. For reference I replaced my Noctua NH-U12S w/ 2 fans with a EK AIO 240, and my temps dropped 6c on my 5600x. The EK AIO 240 can be bought direct from EK for under $100. About 70-75% of the benefits of custom water at a 1/3 the cost. Couple that with a better thermal paste and see if you have any room to drop your vcore at all.

 

[GerKNG]

Intel Heatspreaders are concave.
Asetek Coldplates are Convex. (which makes it a perfect fit)

i'd highly recommend a NZXT Kraken X73 (had the same on a 10850k and it's almost 10°C better than my H150i RGB PRO XT (CoolIt Coldplate which is concave (better fit for AMD but not for intel)

 

[PaulieG]

Intel Heatspreaders are concave.
Asetek Coldplates are Convex. (which makes it a perfect fit)

i'd highly recommend a NZXT Kraken X73 (had the same on a 10850k and it's almost 10°C better than my H150i RGB PRO XT (CoolIt Coldplate which is concave (better fit for AMD but not for intel)

I just put another EK AIO on a new 10600k a few days ago. It keeps it in the 60's on OCCT runs. However, it's the only cooler I've had on it, so I can't really compare temps. Take a look at the review on the EK AIOs. I have the non-RGB versions, which are the same minus RGB and cheaper.

EK AIO 360 & 240 D-RGB Cooler Review: Thermals, Noise, Coldplate Levelness | GamersNexus - Gaming PC Builds & Hardware Benchmarks

 

[unclewebb]

10850k

The 10850K are 10900K rejects. Intel jacked the voltage curve up to ensure that they run stable. You can significantly improve these CPUs by reducing the excess voltage to what the CPU actually needs. Some motherboards at default settings are very generous with adding additional voltage.

Here is an example while running Cinebench R20; first at default voltage and then the same CPU with a -125 mV undervolt. Night and day difference in power consumption and temps just by doing some tuning. The CPU is running at the same speed in both tests so performance is exactly the same. This is with a 240mm AIO.

 

[jboydgolfer]

io grabbed a Noctua NH-U12S chromax.Black to replace my Corsair H110i GTX not long ago. it doesnt cool as well as the H110i, & its not as quiet as it either, but it does a very good job & it is in no way not quiet, & it carries none of the 'possible dangers' of liquid cooling. it cost me $65 iirc.

this was for my 8600K
its understated & not as large as i thought it wouldve been.

 

[phanbuey]

The 10850K are 10900K rejects. Intel jacked the voltage curve up to ensure that they run stable. You can significantly improve these CPUs by reducing the excess voltage to what the CPU actually needs. Some motherboards at default settings are very generous with adding additional voltage. Here is an example while running Cinebench R20; first at default voltage and then the same CPU with a -125 mV undervolt. Night and day difference in power consumption and temps just by doing some tuning.

This ^

my 10850 runs the same temps at stock as at 1.27v 4900mhz. Offset and then better 360mm AIO cooling...

The other thing I do is set motherboard auto-voltage with -.10mv offset and set a mobo thermal limit of 90 C, that allows me to run 5150mhz normal during gaming, with thermal velocity boost offset it backs down to 1.31v 5.05Ghz at 70C and then 1.27v at ~4900mhz at 90C (the performance is still fantastic even at 4900mhz 90C). So far that's been the best performing setup for me and also protects the chip during avx spikes.

 

[PaulieG]

io grabbed a Noctua NH-U12S chromax.Black to replace my Corsair H110i GTX not long ago. it doesnt cool as well as the H110i, & its not as quiet as it either, but it does a very good job & it is in no way not quiet, & it carries none of the 'possible dangers' of liquid cooling. it cost me $65 iirc.

this was for my 8600K
its understated & not as large as i thought it wouldve been.
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I had this Noctua, and added a second Chromax fan. It's a great air cooler for it's size and it's whisper quiet. It still couldn't cool nearly as well as the EK AIO that replaced it, and once you added the additional $18 Noctua fan to the U12S, it costs just as much.

 

[newtekie1]

This ^

my 10850 runs the same temps at stock as at 1.27v 4900mhz. Offset and then better 360mm AIO cooling...

The other thing I do is set motherboard auto-voltage with -.10mv offset and set a mobo thermal limit of 90 C, that allows me to run 5150mhz normal during gaming, with thermal velocity boost offset it backs down to 1.31v 5.05Ghz at 70C and then 1.27v at ~4900mhz at 90C (the performance is still fantastic even at 4900mhz 90C). So far that's been the best performing setup for me and also protects the chip during avx spikes.

Yep, I run 5.0GHz all core and it just barely breaks 80°C with my 240mm AIO under an Aida stress test. And I think the voltage could go lower, but I can't be bothered to tweak further.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

I appreciate the replies. Keep in mind, my cooling requirements includes cooling my 10850k at 100% full load 24/7 running BOINC. Gaming temperatures are of no concern as my CPU runs harder when I'm not using it. Currently, I'm running a "balanced" setting . It's bouncing between 3.6-4.8 GHz with temperatures staying at or under 60'c, but my BOINC points are down more than I care for them to be compared to what this CPU does at a locked 4.9 GHz all core clock.

 

[jboydgolfer]

I had this Noctua, and added a second Chromax fan. It's a great air cooler for it's size and it's whisper quiet. It still couldn't cool nearly as well as the EK AIO that replaced it, and once you added the additional $18 Noctua fan to the U12S, it costs just as much.

the only reason I went with the Noctua over my AIO is the enthusiast itch. I wanted to change up because id been running an AIO for five years or more. I’m glad I made the switch to, it is very quiet ,and it was half the price. Mainly I was happy to not have the same concerns you get with liquid cooling, as well as tubing getting dried out , pumps going bad, or any of that crap. Unless I crush it or do something stupid, it’ll never wear out

 

[newtekie1]

I appreciate the replies. Keep in mind, my cooling requirements includes cooling my 10850k at 100% full load 24/7 running BOINC. Gaming temperatures are of no concern as my CPU runs harder when I'm not using it. Currently, I'm running a "balanced" setting . It's bouncing between 3.6-4.8 GHz with temperatures staying at or under 60'c, but my BOINC points are down more than I care for them to be compared to what this CPU does at a locked 4.9 GHz all core clock.

And like we said, lower your voltage. My 10850K@5GHz doesn't break 80°C on any of the cores and only barely breaks 80°C on the package under an Aida stress test. Aida stress test is harder on the CPU than Bionic.

Don't throw money at a problem before trying the free solutions.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

OC adjusted to 5 GHz at 1.275 volts, will let it run for today and check temps when I get home from work this afternoon. I was running 1.3 volts. Temps right this minute are where I'd like them to be, but my room is cold right now. I sleep with a fan in a open window and right now, it's around 50-60'f in my room (I like a cold room when I sleep). We'll see what temps are like this afternoon after my room warms up to it's normal 73-74'f.

 

[nguyen]

4.9Ghz at 1.24Vcore would make your CPU pretty chilly in the summer then

 

[BarbaricSoul]

And like we said, lower your voltage. My 10850K@5GHz doesn't break 80°C on any of the cores and only barely breaks 80°C on the package under an Aida stress test. Aida stress test is harder on the CPU than Bionic.

Don't throw money at a problem before trying the free solutions.

And it didn't make it, crash at 5GHz @ 1.275 volts. No idea what temps got up to. Voltage bumped to 1.285 and clock dropped to 4.9, We'll see what happens today

well it made it though the day with no crash, but it's bouncing off the 90'c mark, so back to my original question, recommend me a better coiling option than my MSI MAG CORELIQUID 240R AIO unit that I have now. Something that if possible, will keep my 10850k below 80'c.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

well it made it though the day with no crash, but it's bouncing off the 90'c mark, so back to my original question, recommend me a better coiling option than my MSI MAG CORELIQUID 240R AIO unit that I have now. Something that if possible, will keep my 10850k below 80'c.

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really thinking about going back to air cooled and getting a Deep Cool Assassin III or Noctua NH-D15 and see how they do. I always preferred air cooling over water. So much simpler to manage.

Deep Cool Assassin III heatsink ordered, should be here Sunday.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

Assassin III heatsink installed. 4.9GHz all core @ 1.285 volts