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I was just reading an article that said that even with people that took the first shot and the booster the protection might not last very long. A third shot might be necessary later on.

Also it stated that 39% of the people in my country (USA) are fully vaccinated right now.

We had a massive 2nd jab effort over the weekend and have now got half the population done for both jabs, the downside to this effort I suppose is a little less 1st jabs are taking place. Rightly or wrongly the UK has already announced that a Pfizer booster jab will be offered to all 50+ aged people (those that had their current jabs the earliest) during the Autumn and these boosters will include tweaks for known variants.
 

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A mere 347 new cases today, but another 15 deaths.

Its strange to me that they don't report COVID19 hospitalizations.

Deaths are the most reliable statistic, but they're a month late. By the time the death-rate is going up, the virus was already spreading for a month. #Cases are fast moving, but unreliable. If you don't have enough tests, then you literally can't count the number of people effectively. (And even here in my State, our %Positive went to 30%+ sometimes and our casecount went out-of-whack with reality. So I know for a fact that those case-counts can become unreliable during surges)

Hospitalizations are the happy medium between the two. As long as you have additional hospital beds, the hospitalization count is accurate. Hospitalizations aren't quite as delayed as death counts: they're only delayed by maybe 2 weeks or so (dependent on the culture of course).

You need "many eyes" into the problem, because every statistic has its own flaw. You can't just trust one statistic. If %Positive is low (5% or so), then rely on Case#. If %Positive goes above 5%, switch to hospitalizations. This strategy has been "back-tested" using death# (a month later, when the deaths show up, treat the death# as the ground truth).

Yeah, Death# still has some bits of controversy over. But its the closest thing to reality that tracks the pandemic.
 
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Its strange to me that they don't report COVID19 hospitalizations.

Deaths are the most reliable statistic, but they're a month late. By the time the death-rate is going up, the virus was already spreading for a month. #Cases are fast moving, but unreliable. If you don't have enough tests, then you literally can't count the number of people effectively. (And even here in my State, our %Positive went to 30%+ sometimes and our casecount went out-of-whack with reality. So I know for a fact that those case-counts can become unreliable during surges)

Hospitalizations are the happy medium between the two. As long as you have additional hospital beds, the hospitalization count is accurate. Hospitalizations aren't quite as delayed as death counts: they're only delayed by maybe 2 weeks or so (dependent on the culture of course).

You need "many eyes" into the problem, because every statistic has its own flaw. You can't just trust one statistic. If %Positive is low (5% or so), then rely on Case#. If %Positive goes above 5%, switch to hospitalizations. This strategy has been "back-tested" using death# (a month later, when the deaths show up, treat the death# as the ground truth).

Yeah, Death# still has some bits of controversy over. But its the closest thing to reality that tracks the pandemic.
You can try the local CDC.
Reads mostly like the article I linked to.

Looks like it should've been 351, as I missed the four "imported" cases...
 
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You can try the local CDC.
Reads mostly like the article I linked to.

Looks like it should've been 351, as I missed the four "imported" cases...


Yeah, I'm not finding hospitalizations. Hmmm, it seems like there's a general understanding that things are getting worse in Taiwan though. Accuracy isn't too important in the general sense: it doesn't really matter if its spreading +/- 30% faster, its clearly a problem at this point. But better statistics can lead to more targeted lockdowns (ex: which regions are projected to run out of hospital space. Where to set up temporary field hospitals. Etc. etc.)
 

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Doesn't really mean much, but it just shows that people aren't really following the rules.

It's a shame to see this happening. I'm all too familiar with the curve -we had a pretty steep one this year.

Really does appear vaccination is the only way out. Virus is too easily spread to be negated by hygiene and social distancing (the latter of which is impossible long term).
 

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It's a shame to see this happening. I'm all too familiar with the curve -we had a pretty steep one this year.

Really does appear vaccination is the only way out. Virus is too easily spread to be negated by hygiene and social distancing (the latter of which is impossible long term).
Well, 1.2 million doses of AZ arrived from Japan today, but that gets the total so far to about 2 million doses in total, for 23million+ people...
It's going to take a while, that's for sure.
 
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AZ vaccine is just as good as the rest of the WHO approved vaccine. Death and ICU prevention is the most important job of vaccines. As long as it gave human body a fighting chance without medical equipment intervention, our immune system can usually sweep out the virons.
 

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AZ vaccine is just as good as the rest of the WHO approved vaccine. Death and ICU prevention is the most important job of vaccines. As long as it gave human body a fighting chance without medical equipment intervention, our immune system can usually sweep out the virons.

still, Pfizer and Moderna are able to scale production so much, it's insane how well mRNA can be scaled. I think the world needs a little more time, but we can expect excess doses for the entire world by end of 2022 imo. I think they said 4 billion doses next year? combine that with the other ones that don't scale as fast and you are looking at a supply for entire world by end of 2022. or maybe I did the math wrong. not sure.
 

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511 new cases and 38 deaths. That's a massive increase in deaths.

It's a weird time to be alive. I honestly think around February/March next year USA will be back to peak 3-5k daily deaths from covid. Vaccine won't last forever, everyone will get complacent (already are, no one wear masks at all where I live for months now... I'm actually only one who still wears mask in grocery store in my town)... lol

Booster shots... won't be able to convince enough people to do that until you have an event of high daily deaths that forces another lockdown, once that happens then people will be like oh ok booster time...

Humans doing human things. /shrug Sucks, but yeah Covid is here to stay forever imo. As I have said before, even if 100% of like 15+ countries got vaccinated, it wouldn't be enough long term. Vaccines wear off, plane travel never stops, it bounces around... short term its going to be great sure, but eventually... as UK is already showing us with the Indian variant, the sneaky little variant always finds a way in...
 
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I think this is a bit early to ask but does anyone know if there is intention that the seasonal flu vaccine in this fall will be combined with a covid booster shot? I vaguely recall they say a covid booster won’t be required until at least another 12 months.

My second Moderna is this coming Tuesday. A bit nervous because I was sick for 2 days with the first shot. @lynx29 good thing where I live everyone still wears masks, but don’t businesses where you live require them?
 

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I think this is a bit early to ask but does anyone know if there is intention that the seasonal flu vaccine in this fall will be combined with a covid booster shot? I vaguely recall they say a covid booster won’t be required until at least another 12 months.

My second Moderna is this coming Tuesday. A bit nervous because I was sick for 2 days with the first shot. @lynx29 good thing where I live everyone still wears masks, but don’t businesses where you live require them?

nope, my state signed law that no business is required to make masks mandatory anymore... awhile ago actually.

things are 100% back to normal where I live for a couple months now. seems that 60% must be the magic number of vaccinated needed, cause hospitals are not overwhelmed, and no deaths since March for my particular county.
 
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nope, my state signed law that no business is required to make masks mandatory anymore... awhile ago actually.

things are 100% back to normal where I live for a couple months now. seems that 60% must be the magic number of vaccinated needed, cause hospitals are not overwhelmed, and no deaths since March for my particular county.

I think 70% to 80% vaccinated would be the cutoff point In general. Remember that this disease dies to the sun and humidity, so it's safer in the summer.

It's mostly normal at my office now. But masks are on at most commercial areas. Not mandatory, but most people seem to feel safer with masks right now, so no need to rush things imo.
 

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I think 70% to 80% vaccinated would be the cutoff point In general. Remember that this disease dies to the sun and humidity, so it's safer in the summer.

It's mostly normal at my office now. But masks are on at most commercial areas. Not mandatory, but most people seem to feel safer with masks right now, so no need to rush things imo.

I think USA should send all vaccines to Taiwan and other hotspots right now. then make it available again in August/September for USA. Those that wanted it got it, those waiting to see long term side effects will wait until Fall, etc. Makes sense to me. and like you said summer time... the virus just doesn't seem to flourish very well.
 
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I think USA should send all vaccines to Taiwan and other hotspots right now. then make it available again in August/September for USA. Those that wanted it got it, those waiting to see long term side effects will wait until Fall, etc. Makes sense to me. and like you said summer time... the virus just doesn't seem to flourish very well.
Biden is already signing orders to do just that (75% actually, but still):

 
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Biden is already signing orders to do just that (75% actually, but still):


that's not what I mean, Biden is only talking about 80 million over a long stretch of time. I mean yank all the doses right now - distribute a few hundred million over night to hotspots. its already been proven from the UK studies you get more antibodies if you delay the second shot of pfizer to a few months instead of a few weeks. so second shotters should wait anyway.
 
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nope, my state signed law that no business is required to make masks mandatory anymore... awhile ago actually.

things are 100% back to normal where I live for a couple months now. seems that 60% must be the magic number of vaccinated needed, cause hospitals are not overwhelmed, and no deaths since March for my particular county.
We are at 51% w/ 38% full vax but the original strain hasn't been dominate in months. We have 8 strains and the most prevalent now is a SoAm variant. The variant studies are slowly coming along but the pools for those are even smaller then the original emergency phases. Less then 200 to 12k on some studies.

Vax locations have already started downsizing as well.
 

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511 new cases and 38 deaths. That's a massive increase in deaths.

Quite a lot of deaths for "so few" daily cases. What's the hospitals "situation": are they overcrowded or very near capacity? Death numbers tend to increase substantially if hospital resources are stretched too thin.

When Portugal was @ it's worst, from a hospitals resources perspective, we had 288 daily deaths average in a week: back then, he had almost all hospitals in the country with over 95% capacity filled, and that's AFTER re-arranging multiple times in order to get more beds for COVID patients (both regular and ICU), to the point that human resources were the biggest problem.
 

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It's getting worse, 36 deaths today, but only 343 new cases. Clearly there isn't enough testing being done.

@HTC well, if you read some of the previous links I posted, everyone over 50 is being put into isolation at special facilities, which clearly doesn't seem to help.
Some of the big hospitals are over capacity and they've been moving patients out of the greater Taipei area to hospitals in other parts of the country.
 

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that's not what I mean, Biden is only talking about 80 million over a long stretch of time. I mean yank all the doses right now - distribute a few hundred million over night to hotspots. its already been proven from the UK studies you get more antibodies if you delay the second shot of pfizer to a few months instead of a few weeks. so second shotters should wait anyway.
Where is he going to get all these doses? It's not like they are lying around in some cold storage facility or is it, and are they physically his to give in the first place. As for the timespan between 1st and 2nd doses, the data that I have seen suggests the optimum period between doses is 8 - 12 weeks and thereafter the benefits are diminished, I had my 2nd exactly 10 weeks after the first, our government was very concerned about going beyond 12 weeks, maybe that was precautionary though.
 
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Where is he going to get all these doses? It's not like they are lying around in some cold storage facility or is it, and are they physically his to give in the first place. As for the timespan between 1st and 2nd doses, the data that I have seen suggests the optimum period between doses is 8 - 12 weeks and thereafter the benefits are diminished, I had my 2nd exactly 10 weeks after the first, our government was very concerned about going beyond 12 weeks, maybe that was precautionary though.
Are you sure about the 8-12 weeks? Everyone in my family has gotten the 2nd dose in 4-5 weeks. My second shot is this coming Tuesday and my first shot was exactly one month ago.
 
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