Windows 11 General Discussion

[lexluthermiester]

" I think what Windows 11 is really all about is security."

The real reason for Windows 11 (computerworld.com)

That was an interesting read. Some of it makes sense. The rest not so much. While security is important, the reason for a whole new version of Windows is not it. The reason is simple, microsoft wants to leave behind the negative stigmata of Windows 8/8.1/10. They also want to force everyone to upgrade, needlessly. This is a drive to sell hardware and Windows licenses with them. It's a thinly veiled money grab. While that may seem like a "tin-hat" statement, it's really not.

 

[R-T-B]

I kind of have a bad feeling it's for enforcing hardcore DRM that ties into the new "store" experience...

Could be wrong. Just a hunch.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I kind of have a bad feeling it's for enforcing hardcore DRM that ties into the new "store" experience...

Could be wrong. Just a hunch.

That could be it too, which would support my money-grab statement.

 

[Splinterdog]

I am part British and lived there for a potion of my life..

A potion? That would work, mate

 

[looniam]

I am part British and lived there for a potion of my life..

so what do you call french fries?

 

[64K]

Just because something might be useful some where else doesn't mean the mr and mrs needs it in their life to make it more complicated.

I just tried Windows 11 on my gaming rig and first update and reboot I got a black screen with the mouse cursor just loading for 30mins so I booted up on my backup and cloned my Windows 10 back so up and running again.

It's a shame it didn't went better now it's time for bed have to get up in like 6hours to get ready for work and forget it's my bday

Thanks for the feedback on Win 11. I think I will hold off on upgrading until MS gets it running better.

Also, Happy Birthday.

 

[Shou Miko]

Thanks for the feedback on Win 11. I think I will hold off on upgrading until MS gets it running better.

Also, Happy Birthday.

I use the insider build iso because it's easier then using a Microsoft account.

My laptop runs the dev version with no issues at all.

 

[theFOoL]

I am in the process of creating a WIN10GO Edition on a USB then I'll transfer it to a SSD I have with @Active Disk via USB ISO I have. Going to see if the WINpass11 will work which assume it will

Stay tuned...

As I kinda knew Windows complained that the Inside Build could not proceed as it was on a USB Drive but it was just a Test/FuN

 

[Halo3Addict]

Has there been any information on whether some of the features from Windows 11 will be back-ported to W10? Will W10 continue to receive 'service packs', or will it be designated to security updates only?

I ask because one of the features that is incredibly tempting, at least to me, is Windows being able to keep track of multiple screens. Every...single...time... my monitors go to sleep or shut off, my screen layout is forgotten and I have to reorganize all of my programs the next morning. This is infuriating! I'm honestly considering upgrading just for this feature if it will not be on W10.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Has there been any information on whether some of the features from Windows 11 will be back-ported to W10? Will W10 continue to receive 'service packs', or will it be designated to security updates only?

I ask because one of the features that is incredibly tempting, at least to me, is Windows being able to keep track of multiple screens. Every...single...time... my monitors go to sleep or shut off, my screen layout is forgotten and I have to reorganize all of my programs the next morning. This is infuriating! I'm honestly considering upgrading just for this feature if it will not be on W10.

Your guess is as good as ours at this point. One way or another we'll find out..

 

[Mr Bill]

I use the insider build iso because it's easier then using a Microsoft account.

My laptop runs the dev version with no issues at all.

I like 11, took me a moment to figure out how to get around, but I've pretty much got it down over the past couple days, runs great on my X58 PC.

 

[theFOoL]

WoW Austin THANKS

 

[lexluthermiester]

WoW Austin THANKS

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That is one techtuber I stopped watching. He's even more annoying than Linus and not nearly as knowledgeable. To be fair though, that was a good video. They made a bunch of fair points. Personally, I have no idea if microsoft will backpedal on this. I think it's commercial suicide if they don't, but who knows...

 

[Shrek]

The security requirement is 'arbitrary'? with all that ransomware out there.

 

[tabascosauz]

The security requirement is 'arbitrary'? with all that ransomware out there.

Microsoft's main response to the ransomware threat is to encourage you to buy a Onedrive subscription because apparently Onedrive automagically defends against ransomware. That should tell you all you need to know about MS' security-related excuses.

If Onedrive works the same way Dropbox Rewind does, it certainly could revert the effects of ransomware after the fact - but that's remediation and not "security", nothing to do with TPM and Secure Boot, and if Dropbox is any indication it won't be afforded as a service to free users.

The TPM is used for Bitlocker and credential storage as it always has, and will never prevent a ransomware attack. Secure Boot might, but only if it's enabled - Win 11 only requires Secure Boot capable hardware, and does not actually enforce a Secure Boot protected installation, much like Win 10. Regular users are unlikely ever to enable Secure Boot by themselves, you're more likely to find a Secure Boot-protected installation out of the box on a prebuilt desktop or laptop. Likewise, Windows Smartscreen could save you in a pinch, but that's a poor idea to bet on and again nothing new.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

so what do you call french fries?

Tater Sticks!

heh, I remember years ago when ordering a dish that included a side of potatoes, a waitress asked me "Mashed or baked?" and it honestly sounded like she said "masturbate".

 

[Drone]

Windows 7 users can upgrade to Windows 11 but will need to perform a clean install - Neowin

 

[eidairaman1]

I havent been impressed with Windows afer 7.0. Since then the os has felt clunky, intrusive, ugly, unstable

 

[lexluthermiester]

The security requirement is 'arbitrary'? with all that ransomware out there.

For the record, UEFI, TPM nor SecureBoot will not stop ransomware and would not have prevented the lastest wave of attacks..

Windows 7 users can upgrade to Windows 11 but will need to perform a clean install - Neowin

Put another way, Windows 11 can be installed and activated with Windows 7 keys.

 

[Shou Miko]

For the record, UEFI, TPM nor SecureBoot will not stop ransomware and would not have prevented the lastest wave of attacks..


Put another way, Windows 11 can be installed and activated with Windows 7 keys.

Yeah, I heard that Microsoft will only let people upgrade to Windows 11 for free with a key from Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 like 2-3 weeks after the launch of Windows 11 I hope they change this.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah, I heard that Microsoft will only let people upgrade to Windows 11 for free with a key from Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 like 2-3 weeks after the launch of Windows 11 I hope they change this.

Like Windows 10, it should be ongoing.

 

[Space Lynx]

Yeah, I heard that Microsoft will only let people upgrade to Windows 11 for free with a key from Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 like 2-3 weeks after the launch of Windows 11 I hope they change this.

yeah not sure where you heard that, I doubt it's true. M$ would never give people that short a time frame.

 

[windwhirl]

Has there been any information on whether some of the features from Windows 11 will be back-ported to W10? Will W10 continue to receive 'service packs', or will it be designated to security updates only?

I ask because one of the features that is incredibly tempting, at least to me, is Windows being able to keep track of multiple screens. Every...single...time... my monitors go to sleep or shut off, my screen layout is forgotten and I have to reorganize all of my programs the next morning. This is infuriating! I'm honestly considering upgrading just for this feature if it will not be on W10.

I don't remember Microsoft backporting features unless they were required for compatibility reasons, and considering that they already have published the final support date for Windows 10, I think it will only receive bug and security fixes once Windows 11 launches.

Windows 7 users can upgrade to Windows 11 but will need to perform a clean install - Neowin

Understandable. You could do an upgrade to 10 first and from then to 11, but that's a lot of crust to carry around.

I havent been impressed with Windows afer 7.0. Since then the os has felt clunky, intrusive, ugly, unstable

Yeah, some changes have been for worse and then you have some nonsensical decisions. I'm still wondering why the Payments and NFC or the Touch Input and Handwriting services are enabled by default on a desktop machine without NFC or touch input.

Yeah, I heard that Microsoft will only let people upgrade to Windows 11 for free with a key from Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 like 2-3 weeks after the launch of Windows 11 I hope they change this.

Weird. Well, maybe they'll do like 10 and say "it's only for a year", only to let the thing work out fine even today.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Understandable. You could do an upgrade to 10 first and from then to 11, but that's a lot of crust to carry around.

Nope, you can directly upgrade from 7 or install with a 7 key. I've already tried. It works.

 

[Shou Miko]

yeah not sure where you heard that, I doubt it's true. M$ would never give people that short a time frame.

Properly a Linus thing I heard in one of his videos