What's your latest tech purchase?

[Splinterdog]

You can be sure of that!

I'll be honest and say that it's a very expensive toy and certainly one I could live without. On the other hand, it never loses time, it checks your fitness - or lack of - and compliments the Note 20 Ultra perfectly.
The set up was a breeze and done almost entirely on the phone following pairing. And the watch faces? There are literally thousands of them and I've already wasted several hours trying them out.
It's not the LTE version, but then my Note 20 is always with me anyway.
Quality is first class as one would expect from Samsung and it's got a very smart real leather strap with the body being made of stainless. It's incredibly smart looking on the wrist. Cool even.
Battery life is excellent at around two days and you can charge with the magnetic wireless charger or sitting it on the back of the phone. It's got loads of other functions like controlling the phone camera and of course, you can pretend to be a Secret Service agent by talking into the cuff of your expensive black jacket. I'll be trying that tomorrow outside the government house.

 

[P4-630]

I'll be honest and say that it's a very expensive toy and certainly one I could live without. On the other hand, it never loses time, it checks your fitness - or lack of - and compliments the Note 20 Ultra perfectly.
The set up was a breeze and done almost entirely on the phone following pairing. And the watch faces? There are literally thousands of them and I've already wasted several hours trying them out.
It's not the LTE version, but then my Note 20 is always with me anyway.
Quality is first class as one would expect from Samsung and it's got a very smart real leather strap with the body being made of stainless. It's incredibly smart looking on the wrist. Cool even.
Battery life is excellent at around two days and you can charge with the magnetic wireless charger or sitting it on the back of the phone. It's got loads of other functions like controlling the phone camera and of course, you can pretend to be a Secret Service agent by talking into the cuff of your expensive black jacket. I'll be trying that tomorrow outside the government house.
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Water resistance?

 

[The red spirit]

Hardtubing is easy to install if you do it like a member from this Forum did, where he should have bent the tubing instead he cut it and used fittings

Why not just air cool stuff. Difference between high end air cooler and water isn't that big and air cooling has no chance to leak as well as zero maintenance, not to mention that air cooling will always be quieter.

 

[AusWolf]

I'll be honest and say that it's a very expensive toy and certainly one I could live without. On the other hand, it never loses time, it checks your fitness - or lack of - and compliments the Note 20 Ultra perfectly.
The set up was a breeze and done almost entirely on the phone following pairing. And the watch faces? There are literally thousands of them and I've already wasted several hours trying them out.
It's not the LTE version, but then my Note 20 is always with me anyway.
Quality is first class as one would expect from Samsung and it's got a very smart real leather strap with the body being made of stainless. It's incredibly smart looking on the wrist. Cool even.
Battery life is excellent at around two days and you can charge with the magnetic wireless charger or sitting it on the back of the phone. It's got loads of other functions like controlling the phone camera and of course, you can pretend to be a Secret Service agent by talking into the cuff of your expensive black jacket. I'll be trying that tomorrow outside the government house.
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On the one hand, it looks incredibly cool.
On the other hand, how is it any better than having your phone and a normal watch with you?

 

[thesmokingman]

The kids got me a Fossil Gen5E watch. I was not a fan of the Samsung watches because the backs of the last couple Sammy watches I had have ALL fallen off, smh. I haven't looked into the Fossil yet but a quick googling shows they have the same issue but are easier to fix. Shrugs...

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'll be honest and say that it's a very expensive toy and certainly one I could live without. On the other hand, it never loses time, it checks your fitness - or lack of - and compliments the Note 20 Ultra perfectly.
The set up was a breeze and done almost entirely on the phone following pairing. And the watch faces? There are literally thousands of them and I've already wasted several hours trying them out.
It's not the LTE version, but then my Note 20 is always with me anyway.
Quality is first class as one would expect from Samsung and it's got a very smart real leather strap with the body being made of stainless. It's incredibly smart looking on the wrist. Cool even.
Battery life is excellent at around two days and you can charge with the magnetic wireless charger or sitting it on the back of the phone. It's got loads of other functions like controlling the phone camera and of course, you can pretend to be a Secret Service agent by talking into the cuff of your expensive black jacket. I'll be trying that tomorrow outside the government house.
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That's very cool! Makes Apples sad nonsense look like amateur-hour.

 

[Splinterdog]

Water resistance?

50m and IP68 apparently, which is about the same as the Note 20U except the 50m perhaps.

On the other hand, how is it any better than having your phone and a normal watch with you?

Because it's a certified 'shiny thing'

That's very cool! Makes Apples sad nonsense look like amateur-hour.

I avoid Apple products like the plague, although I don't deny that they are superbly well designed. Years ago I had an iPhone 3G and later an iPhone 6S purely due to circumstances, but compatibility with non-Apple systems and the walled garden (although I did have fun jailbreaking the 6S!) put me off forever.
The Apple series 6 watch is very expensive, looks too much like a toy and whilst it's probably a superb product, it wasn't even on my radar.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I avoid Apple products like the plague, although I don't deny that they are superbly well designed.

Yeah but they look like children's toys. I feel like I'm going to break one just looking at it..

 

[P4-630]

And I'll just keep on using my G-Shock Cockpit series watch....

 

[AusWolf]

Because it's a certified 'shiny thing'

At least you're not trying to come up with some pretentious crap to justify your reasons. Respect!
Kind of the same thing that I do when I buy something for my PC that doesn't make it better in any way.

Yeah but they look like children's toys. I feel like I'm going to break one just looking at it..

They don't just look like it, they are children's toys. I mean, look at the queue (line) in front of Apple shops every time they release a new shiny thing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

They don't just look like it, they are children's toys. I mean, look at the queue (line) in front of Apple shops every time they release a new shiny thing.

Right, excellent point.

 

[thesmokingman]

I lol at Apple products as much as the next pc masterrace bro, but dammit you can't beat their stock. Love that ticker to death.

 

[Valantar]

Why not just air cool stuff. Difference between high end air cooler and water isn't that big and air cooling has no chance to leak as well as zero maintenance, not to mention that air cooling will always be quieter.

Will always be quieter? Yeah, no, that's not accurate. Air cooling can be fantastic, but it isn't very flexible, while water is extremely configurable and can be designed around a specific use case. While my Meshlicious can fit quite large GPUs (3+ slots, quite long), there's no way such a setup would be quieter than my current water cooled one, which has a total of three fans and a pump in the system: two Arctic P14s on the radiator, the PSU fan, and a DDC pump. It's definitely audible under load, but then it's cooling a 6900 XT and a 5800X in a 15l case. At idle, my pump runs at an inaudible 1200rpm and only one fan is running (typically ~800rpm). An air-cooled GPU might have a zero rpm mode, but a CPU air cooler would always at least match that noise level, no matter what. So at least for my build, there is no way to build an equivalent air cooled system that isn't either noisier or much larger.

 

[The red spirit]

Will always be quieter? Yeah, no, that's not accurate. Air cooling can be fantastic, but it isn't very flexible, while water is extremely configurable and can be designed around a specific use case. While my Meshlicious can fit quite large GPUs (3+ slots, quite long), there's no way such a setup would be quieter than my current water cooled one, which has a total of three fans and a pump in the system: two Arctic P14s on the radiator, the PSU fan, and a DDC pump. It's definitely audible under load, but then it's cooling a 6900 XT and a 5800X in a 15l case. At idle, my pump runs at an inaudible 1200rpm and only one fan is running (typically ~800rpm). An air-cooled GPU might have a zero rpm mode, but a CPU air cooler would always at least match that noise level, no matter what. So at least for my build, there is no way to build an equivalent air cooled system that isn't either noisier or much larger.

I guess you need water cooling then, but I avoid it as much as possible.

 

[thesmokingman]

I guess you need water cooling then, but I avoid it as much as possible.

I avoid air whenever possible, lol.

 

[FireFox]

why not just air cool stuff. Difference between high end air cooler and water isn't that big and air cooling has no chance to leak as well as zero maintenance, not to mention that air cooling will always be quieter.

Next time i read such a post a quit the Forum
for the rest you already got an answer from @Valantar

 

[The red spirit]

Next time i read such a post a quit the Forum
for the rest you already got an answer from Valantar

Yeah, I know, but why such stigma against air? I never understood why people care about water so much, it's not early 2000s, when water cooling was the only high end cooling solution and since then I see less and less value in it. I would be more interested in passive water cooling without pump, where you connect block and radiator to big reservoir. That seems like rather practical and powerful completely silent cooling solution.

 

[FireFox]

Yeah, I know, but why such stigma against air? I never understood why people care about water so much, it's not early 2000s, when water cooling was the only high end cooling solution and since then I see less and less value in it. I would be more interested in passive water cooling without pump, where you connect block and radiator to big reservoir. That seems like rather practical and powerful completely silent cooling solution.

Open a new thread and we can discuss about it.

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah, I know, but why such stigma against air? I never understood why people care about water so much, it's not early 2000s, when water cooling was the only high end cooling solution and since then I see less and less value in it. I would be more interested in passive water cooling without pump, where you connect block and radiator to big reservoir. That seems like rather practical and powerful completely silent cooling solution.

1. As @Valantar said: silence is much easier achieved with water.
2. If you use your AIO's radiator as exhaust, then absolutely no heat from the CPU gets trapped inside your chassis, leading to the rest of your system being cooler.
3. If you have a custom loop, the combined heat of all water-cooled components gets evenly distributed across all your radiators, eliminating hot spots and transferred heat inside your chassis.
4. If you want silence with air, you need a big chunky CPU heatsink that puts quite a big pressure on the motherboard. The pump / head unit of an AIO, or a CPU block has practically no weight compared to that.
5. You're right, air coolers have come a long way in the last decade or so, but so has water cooling. The best air cooling solutions will never be as efficient as a custom loop, or the largest AIO radiator.
6. Water takes much longer to equalise, so you won't reach peak temperature in shorter workloads.

Just a few of my reasons why I haven't had a gaming PC without water cooling (for prolonged use) ever since I touched my first AIO.

 

[The red spirit]

Open a new thread and we can discuss about it.

Done, you are tagged.

 

[KLiKzg]

Got some ECC RAM for my WorkStation Lenovo C30:

Tested 2x8GB...works! So ordered another batch for total of 32GB.

 

[The red spirit]

1. As Valantar said: silence is much easier achieved with water.

What exactly? Heat radiation, silence or etc?

2. If you use your AIO's radiator as exhaust, then absolutely no heat from the CPU gets trapped inside your chassis, leading to the rest of your system being cooler.

That actually depends. In ideal conditions, a good case mostly needs cool air intake and exhaust isn't as important. The main purpose of fans is to transport cold air to hot components and create airflow, not air blow. And it's better to exceed internal component fan flow with intake fans, so that coolers aren't starved of cold air. In such set up you can be fine with minimal exhaust fans or none at all, but if you add radiator as exhaust, you block that path of flow with very air flow resistant radiator and as result now you really need more fans on exhaust, which are usually not ideal for maximum airflow. You may not heat up your case components as much by blowing hot air on them, but you create a blockage of airflow and you solve it with more fans. To create exactly the same air flow, now you need more fans and therefore more noise, potentially not so great airflow too. So I'm not too sure if radiator on exhaust is a good idea. Despite not being intuitive, mounting radiator as intake probably means better thermals.

CPU heatsinks usually aren't nearly as airflow restrictive, so they are less problematic.

3. If you have a custom loop, the combined heat of all water-cooled components gets evenly distributed across all your radiators, eliminating hot spots and transferred heat inside your chassis.

Not really. Things like SSDs, VRMs, chipsets, are still left uncooled, so they remain like they were. Despite seemingly obvious need for VRM cooler, I still don't see almost any VRM water block and that's pretty scary considering that some people decide to reduce fan amount after water cooling their rig.

4. If you want silence with air, you need a big chunky CPU heatsink that puts quite a big pressure on the motherboard. The pump / head unit of an AIO, or a CPU block has practically no weight compared to that.

AIO still has big radiator, just that you can relocate it further from chip. That doesn't change the fact that it's also big and heavy. And motherboard stress concerns don't make sense anymore as in the past boards survived really huge coolers like Scythe Susanoo, Scythe GodHand, Thermalright True Copper. Both that are heavy and have tons of torque due to how far their furthest parts are. And today we have custom CPU backplates, so weight really isn't a problem and since board is made from plastic, it's hard to break it, so I doubt that actual lack of custom backplates was ever a problem. The bigger problem is that some motherboard traces after many heat cycles may get damaged, but then again CPU backplate helps by distributing weight to more motherboard surface.

5. You're right, air coolers have come a long way in the last decade or so, but so has water cooling. The best air cooling solutions will never be as efficient as a custom loop, or the largest AIO radiator.

I'm not entirely sure about that. AIOs can be beaten rather easily, because their pumps are tiny and generally are not great at moving water fast. Custom loops can still fight, but that's mostly due to virtually unlimited reservoir capacity. You can connect anything. You can also use big radiators from cars or trucks if you fancy. You have such freedom, but if you want to build something reasonably sized, then difference isn't that big, it mostly comes down to pump. Most water coolers have less area from where they could dissipate heat, than many air coolers, so in theory, once water is saturated by heat, water cooling should be as effective as air cooling.

6. Water takes much longer to equalise, so you won't reach peak temperature in shorter workloads.

Depends on pump speed, but yes that's mostly true. Unless you have big aluminum air cooler, for some reason they are also slow to equalize.

Just a few of my reasons why I haven't had a gaming PC without water cooling (for prolonged use) ever since I touched my first AIO.

That's cool, but I prefer pedestrian air cooling and often cooler chips. Dealing with heat is a pain. As long as I can achieve decent cooling at almost no noise and low price, it's fine. That purpose is perfectly served by 120mm air coolers. Both towers and downdrafts. Depending on CPU even 92mm tower can be a big overkill.

 

[lexluthermiester]

1. As @Valantar said: silence is much easier achieved with water.
2. If you use your AIO's radiator as exhaust, then absolutely no heat from the CPU gets trapped inside your chassis, leading to the rest of your system being cooler.
3. If you have a custom loop, the combined heat of all water-cooled components gets evenly distributed across all your radiators, eliminating hot spots and transferred heat inside your chassis.
4. If you want silence with air, you need a big chunky CPU heatsink that puts quite a big pressure on the motherboard. The pump / head unit of an AIO, or a CPU block has practically no weight compared to that.
5. You're right, air coolers have come a long way in the last decade or so, but so has water cooling. The best air cooling solutions will never be as efficient as a custom loop, or the largest AIO radiator.
6. Water takes much longer to equalize, so you won't reach peak temperature in shorter workloads.

Just a few of my reasons why I haven't had a gaming PC without water cooling (for prolonged use) ever since I touched my first AIO.

This, except the bold/underlined. Many air-coolers are very quiet and very effective without being to big & bulky. Additionally, motherboards are designed with certain load stress and weight limits. 99.9% of the heatsinks out there do not exceed those limit specifications. But the rest of what you said is spot-on.

Got some ECC RAM for my WorkStation Lenovo C30:
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Tested 2x8GB...works! So ordered another batch for total of 32GB.

Nice! That's what I have in my system, 4x8GB 1866 ECC Reg. You are going to enjoy not having OS/program/game crashes caused by RAM errors.

 

[AusWolf]

What exactly? Heat radiation, silence or etc?

What exactly what?

That actually depends. In ideal conditions, a good case mostly needs cool air intake and exhaust isn't as important. The main purpose of fans is to transport cold air to hot components and create airflow, not air blow. And it's better to exceed internal component fan flow with intake fans, so that coolers aren't starved of cold air. In such set up you can be fine with minimal exhaust fans or none at all, but if you add radiator as exhaust, you block that path of flow with very air flow resistant radiator and as result now you really need more fans on exhaust, which are usually not ideal for maximum airflow. You may not heat up your case components as much by blowing hot air on them, but you create a blockage of airflow and you solve it with more fans. To create exactly the same air flow, now you need more fans and therefore more noise, potentially not so great airflow too. So I'm not too sure if radiator on exhaust is a good idea. Despite not being intuitive, mounting radiator as intake probably means better thermals.

Minimal fan RPM is enough to generate enough airflow for your rad to act as true exhaust. You're not restricting airflow with a rad enough to trap heat in your chassis. By using it as intake, the component you cool will be cooler, but the rest of your system a tiny bit warmer.

Not really. Things like SSDs, VRMs, chipsets, are still left uncooled, so they remain like they were. Despite seemingly obvious need for VRM cooler, I still don't see almost any VRM water block and that's pretty scary considering that some people decide to reduce fan amount after water cooling their rig.

They are cooled by the the airflow inside your chassis, whether your CPU/GPU is cooled by air or water regardless.

AIO still has big radiator, just that you can relocate it further from chip. That doesn't change the fact that it's also big and heavy. And motherboard stress concerns don't make sense anymore as in the past boards survived really huge coolers like Scythe Susanoo, Scythe GodHand, Thermalright True Copper. Both that are heavy and have tons of torque due to how far their furthest parts are. And today we have custom CPU backplates, so weight really isn't a problem and since board is made from plastic, it's hard to break it, so I doubt that actual lack of custom backplates was ever a problem. The bigger problem is that some motherboard traces after many heat cycles may get damaged, but then again CPU backplate helps by distributing weight to more motherboard surface.

Maybe, but I still prefer not putting excess weight on my motherboard.

I'm not entirely sure about that. AIOs can be beaten rather easily, because their pumps are tiny and generally are not great at moving water fast. Custom loops can still fight, but that's mostly due to virtually unlimited reservoir capacity. You can connect anything. You can also use big radiators from cars or trucks if you fancy. You have such freedom, but if you want to build something reasonably sized, then difference isn't that big, it mostly comes down to pump. Most water coolers have less area from where they could dissipate heat, than many air coolers, so in theory, once water is saturated by heat, water cooling should be as effective as air cooling.

That's why you attach fans to your radiator, so your water doesn't get saturated by heat. And no, you're not adding extra noise to your system, as you would use those fans as chassis intakes or exhausts anyway.

Depends on pump speed, but yes that's mostly true. Unless you have big aluminum air cooler, for some reason they are also slow to equalize.

Pump speed doesn't matter much in my experience. As long as your water flows, you're fine.

That's cool, but I prefer pedestrian air cooling and often cooler chips. Dealing with heat is a pain. As long as I can achieve decent cooling at almost no noise and low price, it's fine. That purpose is perfectly served by 120mm air coolers. Both towers and downdrafts. Depending on CPU even 92mm tower can be a big overkill.

You're OK to prefer air, and I totally respect that.

 

[Mussels]

Custom water? Silence!
AIOs? Crap shoot. Good lord the pump noises i've dealt with over the years... being a system builder i've had some good units, and soooooo many bad, noisy, vibrating ones.