Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[tabascosauz]

Ok, I wont worry about AGESA.. much.. but a mild case of ocd will keep it in the back of my mind fer a bit

I actually fear moving to someone else.. is that crazy or what? Am I crazy? probably a little.. I cmon how can you not be ?

/ramble

550 bucks man, wtf.

I initially thought my $500+ was well spent on the Impact, and it is a very well featured board, but I supposes there's a reason why it's not preferred by OCers. The memory topology still seems old and lacking. Not only does my Unify-X do better, all of my $100-300 ITX boards do better than the Impact. CPU performance also unimpressive as well, scores and clocks always fluctuate wildly. AGESA never improved either of those things, so don't go into a board hoping that it'll somehow get better with time; AGESA has never "fixed" any fundamental issues on any board I've used.

I'm not going to bore you with my whole truck-buying journey - let's just say that brand loyalty means nothing anymore, so I keep an open mind......I got thrown under the bus real bad for relying on perceived good reputation.

Right now it's a tossup between using the Unify-X or Impact for P3. Asus has the BIOS, overall USB stability, and 2-pin temp sensor headers. But MSI offers no tiny fans to worry about, better performance and better layout for the loop. Tough call.

@freeagent forgot to mention, don't yearn too much for the new AGESA BIOSes. Another reason why I only use 3601 on my Impact unless I'm on 11 is because PBO is broken on any later BIOS. 3801 had really bad performance altogether, 3801 and 3904 also doesn't obey PPT/TDC/EDC and also have inferior performance. According to my board, 142W = 146W......lord knows what else it's doing under the hood...

 

[freeagent]

Man, you drive a hard bargain. I appreciate your honesty. DOCS seems pretty cool, but if that 550 buck board performs the same as my 200 buck board and has a few features that mine doesn’t.. do I really need it? My little 200 buck board did some pretty cool things.. and kept up with big dog x570. Maybe I will look at some other boards

 

[tabascosauz]

Man, you drive a hard bargain. I appreciate your honesty. DOCS seems pretty cool, but if that 550 buck board performs the same as my 200 buck board and has a few features that mine doesn’t.. do I really need it? My little 200 buck board did some pretty cool things.. and kept up with big dog x570. Maybe I will look at some other boards

Save a buck, and use the savings to build a loop to take your OC to the next level?

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Don't know if anyone has seen this, but it is very interesting.
https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/02/05/amds-past-and-future-cpus/

 

[Kapone33]

Don't know if anyone has seen this, but it is very interesting.
https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/02/05/amds-past-and-future-cpus/

This is a mostly objective view of AMD's potential. That line about the wafer being separated from the console seemed so eye-opening when I read it.

 

[Mussels]

Don't know if anyone has seen this, but it is very interesting.
https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/02/05/amds-past-and-future-cpus/

Pretty good view on the current and upcoming situation

The wafer/parts shortage is real (or we'd see AMD budget chips) - but with consoles staying as they are, and the first 5nm parts out already in bulk (6500XT)

Apple is the only threat to supply, but if both companies are succesful it's just going to push the demand for more fab nodes, or spreading products out on different tech levels
(Like that rumour of Zen3 CCX + Zen 2 CCX as E-cores)

 

[de.das.dude]

Finally i join the club! with my 5600x

PBO is awesome. All cores at 4.64 steady. Max temp 78C at 26C ambient. 240mm Antec AIO

 

[Kanan]

I updated my bios a while ago, it then had improved PBO features, I was kinda surprised. The bios mentions "optimized by The Stilt", that's pretty great. If you know the guy you know what I'm talking about.

 

[de.das.dude]

i had to update my bios, since the BIOS installed was the first version. Surprised that i was able to go into bios without the CPU being supported!
new tech is amazing

 

[Kanan]

i had to update my bios, since the BIOS installed was the first version. Surprised that i was able to go into bios without the CPU being supported!
new tech is amazing

Yep, sometimes you're lucky and the PC starts with "unknown AMD CPU" or something and you can do a lot of things.

 

[de.das.dude]

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Yep, sometimes you're lucky and the PC starts with "unknown AMD CPU" or something and you can do a lot of things.

seems to bea feature of the motherboard. which is why i chose it.

 

[Mussels]

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seems to bea feature of the motherboard. which is why i chose it.

wait til you find out how easy BIOS flashback is, vs the old methods.
PSU, motherboard, USB stick. nothing else - no CPU, no GPU, dont even power the system on


Oh i discovered something interesting, my zen 3 doesnt idle higher wattage with an all core OC, but my zen 2 3700x does.

15W difference between stock/PBO and a low voltage 4GHz all core OC.

 

[Ruru]

Hmm... B550 Aorus Pro V2 is on sale at 130EUR.. makes me think of getting that board and thinking about keeping my current board (B550M Aorus Elite) and building a Zen2 based 2nd (R3 3100?) mATX rig later for my spare Define Mini C..

 

[Mussels]

wait til you find out how easy BIOS flashback is, vs the old methods.
PSU, motherboard, USB stick. nothing else - no CPU, no GPU, dont even power the system on


Oh i discovered something interesting, my zen 3 doesnt idle higher wattage with an all core OC, but my zen 2 3700x does.

15W difference between stock/PBO and a low voltage 4GHz all core OC.

I am an idiot and got my systems confused

This was the 2700x, zen+ and i am less shocked why 4GHz used so much power now

 

[Chomiq]

Looks like Gigabyte X570 owners might get a new stable BIOS release soon, last beta was pulled from the site which usually means a new version is coming.

Update:
Previous BETA version which had following changelog:

•Major vulnerabilities updates, customers are strongly encouraged to update to this release at the earliest.
Credits to "Assaf Carlsbad and Itai Liba from SentinelOne"
• Introduce capsule BIOS support starting this version.

1. Checksum: 7AAB
2. Update AGESA ComboV2 1.2.0.4 A
3. Change default status of AMD PSP fTPM to Enabled for addressing basic Windows 11 requirements (https://support.microsoft.com/windows/1fd5a332-360d-4f46-a1e7-ae6b0c90645c)

was replaced with stable version:

• Major vulnerabilities updates, customers are strongly encouraged to update to this release at the earliest.
Credits to "Assaf Carlsbad and Itai Liba from SentinelOne"
• Introduce capsule BIOS support starting this version.

1. Checksum : 6905
2. Update AGESA ComboV2 1.2.0.5
3. Change default status of AMD PSP fTPM to Enabled for addressing basic Windows 11 requirements (https://support.microsoft.com/windows/1fd5a332-360d-4f46-a1e7-ae6b0c90645c)

 

[Chomiq]

Just an FYI

 

[Mussels]

My aorus x370 has no update yet, but my asus x570 does

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New AGESA seems to cap VID to 1.425V with PBO, which makes some people sad for max boosts but likely solves various heat 'issues'

 

[Mussels]

I know we all moved away from CTR after a few bad releases and fears of damage, buuuuut
ClockTuner v2.1 for Ryzen (CTR) Guide - Introduction (guru3d.com)

• PX PROFILEs for all CPUs. Unlock maximum performance in low-threaded applications and games.
• Fast and accurate creation of P1, P2, and PX profiles during diagnostic (only for Zen 3 and Renoir). The whole process takes about 7 minutes.
• Redesigned CTR HYBRID OC. Smooth, safe profile switching. The profile switching speed is up to 62 times per second (up to 4x times more than earlier releases).

This sounds like asus dynamic OC switcher letting us toggle between static and PBO modes, does it not?

A lot more reliable than it used to be (make sure no voltage offsets or CO are active before testing)

These are pretty close to the values i found (1.225V for 4.6GHz) so i can actually accept them as valid, with a small safety margin

 

[tabascosauz]

I know we all moved away from CTR after a few bad releases and fears of damage, buuuuut
ClockTuner v2.1 for Ryzen (CTR) Guide - Introduction (guru3d.com)

This sounds like asus dynamic OC switcher letting us toggle between static and PBO modes, does it not?

The hybrid OC function has been in there before Asus and Gigabyte ever integrated theirs into their boards. His new Hydra program does basically the same. The only problem is the guy behind the software and the reliability of the software he writes...

 

[freeagent]

I did try the new AGESA for my board, thankfully it was a beta and no changes were permanent. I saw a max of 1.45v, usually 1.425v.. performance was strong, though boosts took a really big hit. Massive. So I went back to the older official and don’t think I will be upgrading to the newest once it is released. My board will feed 1.535v at the tippy top.. 1.45v is no good to me

 

[Mussels]

The hybrid OC function has been in there before Asus and Gigabyte ever integrated theirs into their boards. His new Hydra program does basically the same. The only problem is the guy behind the software and the reliability of the software he writes...

I never knew about hydra.

I just want my 4.6GHz 1.2v, with boost on top. Sounds like i can get that with these now.
(I'd greatly prefer a hardware version over software, however)


I've seen lower boost clocks here too (every core hitting 4.85GHz, instead of the two best doing 5GHz+) - but its staying there longer so that may actually be better?


See, even if i just slap my own values in: this is what i've been looking for (hydras default values)

The "game" value (all cores active at lower average load) is a perfect example of why its hard to tweak based on core count

 

[Mussels]

Playing around with it, i think i've hit that clock limit people are bitching about in the new AGESA

1-2T wont pass 4900 (most cores 4850) - max i can set is 5000, despite it really being 5050
4.6 all core for the rest is fine since i manually tested that and know it's stable at all loads at that VID

I'm still getting 250-300Mhz more low threaded, so i see it as a win.

 

[de.das.dude]

TBH i have had good results from PBO2 after enabling it in the bios. I havent felt the need to do any overclocking at all.

my 5600x goes upto 110w TDP and 4.6ghz on all cores(stable after 30min of aida stress) with the current 240mm AIO i have.

 

[Chomiq]

Noticed super odd thing recently. Normal boot, even with fast boot enabled was always around 12 seconds since forever. Switched CPU Vcore from "Normal" to "Auto" and boom, now booting in 7.6 seconds. That whole fan spin-up pre-post cycle is now like 2 seconds instead of 5.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

I never knew about hydra.

I just want my 4.6GHz 1.2v, with boost on top. Sounds like i can get that with these now.
(I'd greatly prefer a hardware version over software, however)


I've seen lower boost clocks here too (every core hitting 4.85GHz, instead of the two best doing 5GHz+) - but its staying there longer so that may actually be better?


See, even if i just slap my own values in: this is what i've been looking for (hydras default values)
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The "game" value (all cores active at lower average load) is a perfect example of why its hard to tweak based on core count

I have tried it and was not impressed at all. My bios settings so far have Just been better than Hydra and CTR by at least 1,000-1,500 points for me in CinebenchR23 in single and eve more in multi-threaded.
I'm above every 5600x on techpowerup's cinebenchr23 list with 1,610 on single thread and around 12,020 in mutli-threaded.