Windows 11 General Discussion

P4-630 · Jun 7, 2022

I like windows 11 sofar, just one thing, the boot time, my Z170 system was a bit faster at boot and I even use a 980 Pro M.2 now.. (was using secure boot on old system as well)
I was reading somewhere it's because of TPM 2.0? (reddit)

ThrashZone · Jun 7, 2022

Hi,
Nope just more 11 startup trickery.

R-T-B · Jun 7, 2022

P4-630 said:
I was reading somewhere it's because of TPM 2.0? (reddit)

Nah. Just optimizations. TPM 2.0 and the bootstack are unrelated.

P4-630 · Jun 7, 2022

R-T-B said:
Nah. Just optimizations.

Shouldn't optimizations make it faster instead of slower?

R-T-B · Jun 7, 2022

P4-630 said:
Shouldn't optimizations make it faster instead of slower?

Oh you are saying it's slower than z170?.

There is a bug with AMD's TPM that can do that, but otherwise, no idea (and that bug is patched in latest releases of AGESA).

Maybe just firmware differences?

P4-630 · Jun 7, 2022

R-T-B said:
Oh you are saying it's slower than z170?.

There is a bug with AMD's TPM that can do that, but otherwise, no idea (and that bug is patched in latest releases of AGESA).

Maybe just firmware differences?

I'm using Z690 platform.

R-T-B · Jun 7, 2022

P4-630 said:
I'm using Z690 platform.

Yeah no idea then. Maybe UEFI has grown more bloated over the years? That sounds plausible.

P4-630 · Jun 8, 2022

R-T-B said:
Yeah no idea then. Maybe UEFI has grown more bloated over the years? That sounds plausible.

Yesterday I did a sfc /scannow and it repaired some corrupted files.
I just went into the BIOS, did an exit without saving and after that it started up quite faster!?

Edit: That was a one time only.
I won't go into BIOS everytime for a quicker startup lol.

ThrashZone · Jun 8, 2022

Hi,
Post a disk management screen shot or better yet using free minitool

MiniTool Partition Free mbr2gpt 9.1 Filepuma.com

Might be stretching the op though

windwhirl · Jun 8, 2022

Microsoft Trying to Kill HDD Boot Drives By 2023: Report

The push for SSD-everything intensifies

www.tomshardware.com

.. NVMe drives are a tad expensive, but even just moving from a spinner to a shitty, ultra low cost SATA SSD is a massive improvement. I don't think it makes sense to stick to HDDs anymore? At least for a boot drive.

P4-630 · Jun 8, 2022

windwhirl said:
Microsoft Trying to Kill HDD Boot Drives By 2023: Report

The push for SSD-everything intensifies

www.tomshardware.com

.. NVMe drives are a tad expensive, but even just moving from a spinner to a shitty, ultra low cost SATA SSD is a massive improvement. I don't think it makes sense to stick to HDDs anymore? At least for a boot drive.

I don't use any spinners anymore.

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Post a disk management screen shot or better yet using free minitool

MiniTool Partition Free mbr2gpt 9.1 Filepuma.com

Might be stretching the op though

Ok that wasn't meant for me I see...

ThrashZone · Jun 8, 2022

Hi,
Think your system reserved being after C is confusing the bios.

P4-630 · Jun 8, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Think your system reserved being after C is confusing the bios.

After C is a partition created by Samsung Magician for over provisioning. The partition after that is a windows install created one.

windwhirl · Jun 8, 2022

P4-630 said:
I don't use any spinners anymore.

Talking about budget OEM systems.

ThrashZone · Jun 8, 2022

P4-630 said:
After C is a partition created by Samsung Magician for over provisioning. The partition after that is a windows install created one.

Hi,
I didn't see that one only the 611mb one you say is Sammy's creation

System reserved should be before C not after it contains boot
Depending on it's size if simalar to 611mb one should be increased so windows doesn't install another one when it's deemed to small
Most say system reserved should be around 750mb.

P4-630 · Jun 8, 2022

ThrashZone said:
System reserved should be before C not after it contains boot
Depending on it's size if simalar to 611mb one should be increased so windows doesn't install another one when it's deemed to small
Most say system reserved should be around 750mb.

The windows install and samsung magician created the partitions

P4-630 · Jun 8, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Okay you're on an old upgrade install
100mb ouch that means you have other system reserved "really system restore plus recovery tools" partitions created when large windows updates are installed and they must be on different disks and why your startup is slower than it should be except when you're in bios

Bottom line you need to increase the 100mb partition to 750mb so next large update install recovery info on it and not on another one somewhere other than C disk.
Then remove any system restore partitions anywhere else.

Also helps if C is disk 0 not 3...

Continue here: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/is-this-normal.295658/

lexluthermiester · Jun 8, 2022

P4-630 said:
Yesterday I did a sfc /scannow and it repaired some corrupted files.

Bad update?

P4-630 · Jun 8, 2022

lexluthermiester said:
Bad update?

Not that I know of, no issues overall, just a bit of a slow boot.
Mind you , I don't make use of "fast boot" setting since that was causing issues in the past so not using that anymore.
It's just that it is booting somewhat slower than my previous Z170 built.

ThrashZone · Jun 8, 2022

P4-630 said:
Not that I know of, no issues overall, just a bit of a slow boot.
Mind you , I don't make use of "fast boot" setting since that was causing issues in the past so not using that anymore.
It's just that it is booting somewhat slower than my previous Z170 built.

Hi,
Should of added the slow boot deal to the other threads op

lexluthermiester · Jun 9, 2022

P4-630 said:
Mind you , I don't make use of "fast boot" setting since that was causing issues in the past so not using that anymore.

I never use fastboot. I've never once seen it work properly on a non-OEM system.

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Should of added the slow boot deal to the other threads op

Why? Windows 11 has Fastboot. This is a Windows 11 General Discussion thread. Not seeing the problem..

ThrashZone · Jun 9, 2022

lexluthermiester said:
I never use fastboot. I've never once seen it work properly on a non-OEM system.

Why? Windows 11 has Fastboot. This is a Windows 11 General Discussion thread. Not seeing the problem..

Hi,
Good to know

I was talking about some boot issues I've had in the past and seeing if P4-630 wanted to try them that's why I was talking about sata ports and which ones he was using

I've found using both sata port 1 and 2 weird shit happens seeing he's using more than one m.2 switching sata ports to 3-4-5-6 wouldn't hurt anything and might actually solve his boot slowness.
Then toothless went off as usual :laugh:

lexluthermiester · Jun 11, 2022

This is one of the reasons I love Jay.

AlwaysHope · Jun 12, 2022

Quick question, will Win11 install fine with an R9 Nano card? Keeping in mind this card does not support UEFI boot. There is a .ROM for it with that capability but I'm in no mind to flash an old card just for this cause.

lexluthermiester · Jun 12, 2022

AlwaysHope said:
Quick question, will Win11 install fine with an R9 Nano card? Keeping in mind this card does not support UEFI boot.

Should work fine. If you have any issues, let us know and we'll walk you through tweaking the Windows ISO to make it work.

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