How do you feel about Radeon RX 7900 XTX?

[alpha007org]

In my mind, the problem with 7900XTX is that it's performance varies so wildly between games. If you remember, when AMD released 6900XT, they put a slide with ~10 game benchmark and it was very close, they lost some, they won some, but by a very small margin. If 79XTX was consistently faster than 6950XT by 30-40%, then 79XTX would have been a huge success in my book.

AMD were saying that by going to chiplets, they save money, because MCDs are on 6nm node which is much cheaper, and because GCD is just 300mm2, they can get more (+working) GCDs per wafer.

If AMD wanted to become "consumer/gaming friendly", they would go on a marketing blitz, describe that savings with GCD+MCD, and say "we are passing this saving to the customers", start marketing campaign "gaming isn't for rich only" and offer 79XT for 700 MSRP. I think they can sell XT for 700 and still make a lot of money. They would undercut their previous lineup, but we gamers would get a normally priced high end GPU. And they would start getting a larger slice of the market share.

79XT is the most disappointing GPU in the last 3 generations.

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Speculation:
What would happen, if they used RDNA2, made it in 5nm, made it bigger (50% more memory bandwidth*, faster memory*, more Compute Units, more ROPs),... I think they would get better result.
There is something wrong in silicon, that's for sure. 384 bit mem, faster mem, 50% more ROPs, 61 TFLOPS (vs 23TFLOPS for Navi21) and in some games it barely beats 6950?

 

[ARF]

AMD were saying that by going to chiplets, they save money

I am not sure that they "save" (you know the "law" - the cheap always becomes more expensive in the end ?).
They make much less XTX and XT because it is uber duper super expensive and by selling the couple of XTX which they actually sell, they transfer the cost - so you get cheaper silicon but much more expensive.

The problem is that its textures performance is extremely low, where it actually loses performance and is not competitive.
Also, the ray-tracing units are extremely weak.

RTX 4090, 512 TMUs:

RX 7900 XTX, 384 TMUs:

 

[AusWolf]

There is no so much a particular interest in the XTX.
AMD's supply is tied, maybe the yields are very low for the full Navi 31, hence the mad price hike.

Maybe. All I know is, it's kind of unavailable here in the UK. Whether it's due to an insane demand, or lack of supply, or a mixture of both, I don't know.

 

[ARF]

Maybe. All I know is, it's kind of unavailable here in the UK. Whether it's due to an insane demand, or lack of supply, or a mixture of both, I don't know.

There is no insane demand for XTX - this is the most expensive part which sells in the lowest quantities, by the underdog in the graphics department.
It simply lacks delivery from the factory!

 

[AusWolf]

There is no insane demand for XTX - this is the most expensive part which sells in the lowest quantities, by the underdog in the graphics department.
It simply lacks delivery from the factory!

But why is that when the XT is literally everywhere, even for £899 (which is great if you consider taxes and import tariffs on top of the US MSRP)? Do you think yields of the full GPU are that bad?

 

[ARF]

But why is that when the XT is literally everywhere, even for £899 (which is great if you consider taxes and import tariffs on top of the US MSRP)? Do you think yields of the full GPU are that bad?

Can be poor yields but also bad production planning, and underestimation by AMD how much performance they need to stay competitive.
Because if you believe the trolls here stating that RX 7900 XTX targets RTX 4080, then it makes no sense because the RTX 4080 is actually the cheaper and faster of the two!

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Grafikkarte (2022) Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Grafikkarte (2022) Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

Relative performance RT @2160p:

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
7900xt is 900.us
7900xtx is 1k.us
So yeah both are a little less than 4080 FE
4080 is 1200.us

Of course 4090 FE 1600.us

https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/us

 

[HTC]

The true price is much much different.
1569 vs 1965. 25% difference for 20% more FPS without ray-tracing and 50% more FPS with ray-tracing.
This offer by AMD is definitely not serious given its history and extremely low market share of only 8% and declining.

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AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Grafikkarte (2022) Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Grafikkarte (2022) Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

This depends entirely on your location (country). Here in Portugal, and @ least in this one store:

In another store:

As can be seen, the XTX cards are cheaper while the 4090 are more expensive, which flips the numbers completely.

 

[AusWolf]

Can be poor yields but also bad production planning, and underestimation by AMD how much performance they need to stay competitive.
Because if you believe the trolls here stating that RX 7900 XTX targets RTX 4080, then it makes no sense because the RTX 4080 is actually the cheaper and faster of the two!

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AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Grafikkarte (2022) Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Grafikkarte (2022) Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

Relative performance RT @2160p:

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The XTX does target the 4080. The fact that stores in your country are bumping its price due to supply and demand isn't AMD's doing.

 

[ARF]

The XTX does target the 4080.

How do you know? Because it failed and cannot compete with RTX 4090.
Have you got an actual source to link who would confirm that AMD's best RDNA 3 chip on a design level "targets" nvidia's second or third tier chip?
Lisa Su must resign now!

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti could cost $799, at least 10% cheaper than cancelled RTX 4080 12GB - VideoCardz.com

 

[Morgoth]

its to long and none in stock

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

How do you know? Because it failed and cannot compete with RTX 4090.

AMD Confirms Radeon RX 7900 Series Clocks, Direct Competition with RTX 4080

AMD in its technical presentation confirmed the reference clock speeds of the Radeon RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT RDNA3 graphics cards. The company also made its first reference to a GeForce RTX 40-series "Ada" product, the RTX 4080 (16 GB), which is going to launch later today. The RX 7900 XTX...

www.techpowerup.com

Lisa Su must resign now!

Ok, you are definitely trolling.

On your other post, you were told over and over that the 7900 does not compete with the 4090 and besides ignoring the proof (dont worry, i reposted the same link above for your convenience) you instead doubled down on it by pushing the RT gimmick (it will stop being a gimmick when there are more games that truly support it and the hardware capable of running it doesnt cost more than US$300).

After this, you will have the honor of being the first person placed on the ignore list.

 

[ARF]

ignoring the proof

Come with some actual proof which can be considered seriously.

Link to an AMD person who says - "we abandoned the highest-end graphics segment".

Truth being told - Radeon RX 7900 XTX doesn't target anything. Because it sits in between the two closest nvidia offers and depending on the use case competes either with the first or with the second.

 

[AusWolf]

How do you know? Because it failed and cannot compete with RTX 4090.
Have you got an actual source to link who would confirm that AMD's best RDNA 3 chip on a design level "targets" nvidia's second or third tier chip?
Lisa Su must resign now!

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti could cost $799, at least 10% cheaper than cancelled RTX 4080 12GB - VideoCardz.com

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It has similar performance, and its MSRP is 20% lower. Simple. If the 4090 was the target, then it would cost a lot more than $1,000.

 

[ARF]

It has similar performance

Similar performance to RTX 4090, yes.
AMD is not in position to charge as much as nvidia charges for RTX 4090. That's another group of users like Apple's - they know only theirs and don't accept anything different.

Reality: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX review - Assassins Creed: Valhalla (guru3d.com)

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX review - Far Cry 6 (guru3d.com)

The problem is that the RX 7900 XTX loses performance quite fast when the settings are dialled up - increased display resolution and graphics intensive effects like ray-tracing.

This is why I created a thread about asking AMD to fix these problems, and was attacked as a "troll" for asking.
What a stuupid world!

 

[Diecast]

The AMD Drivers were not ready to be launched. Before quarter 2 of next year I would say that AMD will pick up 10-15% or more just in driver maturity. A dead give-a-way of this is the benchmarks are all over the place and this screams driver issue.

 

[ARF]

The AMD Drivers were not ready to be launched. Before quarter 2 of next year I would say that AMD will pick up 10-15% or more just in driver maturity. A dead give-a-way of this is the benchmarks are all over the place and this screams driver issue.

The thing is that nvidia won't stand still, as well, so in the end of the day it may increase the gap even further.

In the far future, the 24 GB VRAM will definitely help against any competitors with less - 12 GB and 16 GB.

 

[AsRock]

I feel like they rushed it out of the door for Christmas, expensive and the naming seems a little f'ed up on the XT were it kinda feels like they did a a nVidia and should of been the 7800XT.

 

[Jaffakeik]

Im happy with my 7900xtx.