Building new PC which build is better?

[Lovec1990]

Greetings,

im in a process of buying a new PC but have a dillema on witch build to take. Price diffrence between builds is 50eur in my country. GPU i will use my old one till new middle range GPUs(RTX 4070,RX 7700/7800 XT) arrive. With both builds im planning power limiting CPU instead of undervolting it.

build one:

• 13700K
• Asus ROG Strix Z790-F Gaming
• G.Skill Trident Z5 64GB 6000 CL30 KIT (2x32GB) (64-TZ5K F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5K)
• Noctua NH-D15s
• Fractual Design Meshify 2 xl+Aditional fans
• Samsung 990 2TB m.2

build two:

• 13700K
• Gigabyte Z790 AORUS Master
• G.Skill Trident Z5 64GB 6000 CL30 KIT (2x32GB) (64-TZ5K F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5K)
• Arctic Liquid freezer II 420 AIO
• Cooler Master HAF 700
• Samsung 990 2TB m.2

Im alittle worried that build one will have memory issues considering QVL has same memory on list but with CL 34 instead of my CL 30, while with build two i have zero experience with Gigabyte motherboards and AIO is not as reliable compared to builds one Noctua aircooler. So witch build is better?

 

[GerKNG]

Both are great but don't waste your money on expensive motherboards. You gain nothing and you could buy faster hardware instead (like instead of a master a elite and from the saved money a 13900k or a better GPU)
I'd go with the first build and put the money into the GPU

 

[Lovec1990]

Both are great but don't waste your money on expensive motherboards. You gain nothing and you could buy faster hardware instead (like instead of a master a elite and from the saved money a 13900k or a better GPU)
I'd go with the first build and put the money into the GPU

cheaper boards lack support for my memory.

 

[JrRacinFan]

Build 2 coming from a biased AMD watercooling guy.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

What is frequency of memory? In OP first post has not info.

 

[Lovec1990]

What is frequency of memory? In OP first post has not info.

Sorry here: G.Skill Trident Z5 64GB 6000 CL30 KIT (2x32GB) (64-TZ5K F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5K)

 

[GerKNG]

cheaper boards lack support for my memory.

The IMC will be by far the limiting factor.
And even the cheapest board that MSI makes (the Pro A) supports two 32GB dimms at 6400mb/s.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

The choice is not easy. The Gigabyte motherboard has 10G out of the box, versus the Asus' 2.5G. Asus has a more modern audio chip. Time of support is usually longer than Asus. On the RAM side, Gigabyte has shown higher numbers, but what it will actually be able to do depends rather on the memory controller, which has been located in the central processor from several years. I'd go with the Asus motherboard, but that's more of a personal preference, and both boards are too new and haven't shown issues that can occur with long-term use.
Also Asus is little cheaper and if you need of 10G is easily to add cheap PCIe card for that.

 

[StevenG]

Greetings,

im in a process of buying a new PC but have a dillema on witch build to take. Price diffrence between builds is 50eur in my country. GPU i will use my old one till new middle range GPUs(RTX 4070,RX 7700/7800 XT) arrive. With both builds im planning power limiting CPU instead of undervolting it.

build one:

• 13700K
• Asus ROG Strix Z790-F Gaming
• G.skill Trident 64GB(2x32gb) cl 30
• Noctua NH-D15s
• Fractual Design Meshify 2 xl+Aditional fans
• Samsung 990 2TB m.2

build two:

• 13700K
• Gigabyte Z790 AORUS Master
• G.skill Trident 64GB(2x32gb) cl 30
• Arctic Liquid freezer II 420 AIO
• Cooler Master HAF 700
• Samsung 990 2TB m.2

Im alittle worried that build one will have memory issues considering QVL has same memory on list but with CL 34 instead of my CL 30, while with build two i have zero experience with Gigabyte motherboards and AIO is not as reliable compared to builds one Noctua aircooler. So witch build is better?

Just a bit of history, I'm in the same boat as you, as I've only used Asus mobos for desktops for decades, and few MSI's and Gigabyte's also but my usual and main builds have always been with Asus mobo and that goes as far back as the 90's with AMDs first desktop the 1GHz Slot-A Athlon K7 Orion cpu as I bought that cpu and the Asus mobo combo as they were the best gaming setup in those days, and haven't looked back since,

With Build One and memory you should always look at the manufacturers recommendations as the Asus ROG Strix Z790-F Gaming, Asus recommends for a user that wants a total of 64GB ram to use the G.Skill type ram of 2x 32GB modules of the G.SKILL F5-6800J3445G32GX2-TZ5RS 2x 32GB 6800 6800 DS SK Hynix 34-45-45-108 1.4 1,2 or the G.SKILL F5-6800J3445G32GX2-TZ5RK 2x 32GB 6800 6800 DS SK Hynix 34-45-45-108 1.4 1,2 type ram which are both CL34 types ram and you should stick to what Asus recommends, imo the Asus ROG Strix Z790-F Gaming is easier to overclock, has an HDMI output, 2 more PCIe 4.0 x16 slots, 3 more audio jack connectors, 1 more PCIe x1 slots, its 16mm shorter and its over 30% cheaper and it perform virtually the same, its a no brainer which I would buy.

With Build Two with the Gigabyte Z790 AORUS Master is a good build and very much exactly the same as the first build with the Asus but, the Gigabyte Z790 AORUS Master is over 30% more expensive and its defiantly not a 30% better mobo, than the Asus. Good luck and hope I've assisted you some in your build.

Btw, that is why I answered your post above as I just finished building this sort of an above average gaming/editing and all-rounder system and I tried to also make it look like a piece or art from scratch, as I also waited until all the outrageous gpu prices went down, this imo is an absolute rocket of a system and all the components intergrade, nothing is too over the top except the Antec case, which I just love its design and it looks so great in my home , don't get me wrong, this system is no world beater but its a well-integrated one.

ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX
Intel S1700 Core i9 12900K 3.20GHz 16 Core CPU BX8071512900K
64GB kit of G. SKILL-F5-6800J3445G32GX2-TZ5RS- 2x 32GB-DDR5-6800- 34-45-45-108- 1.4
EVGA Gaming RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra (EVGA are one of the best thermally insulated and reliable cards around)
Antec Torque Black/White Open Frame Case
CORSAIR CP-9020140-AU HX Series HX1200 ATX/EPS
Noctua NH-U12A chromax.Black
Kingston Fury Renegade PCIe 4 x4 1TB

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[P4-630]

Both are great but don't waste your money on expensive motherboards.

I went with an Aorus Master Z690 EATX board because of it's features and a huge cool running VRM with superior cooling, and my Noctua NH-U12A needed to fit, I bought the board for around 485 EUR.
Nowadays most better motherboards have huge VRM heatsinks, so you need to figure out if your cooler will even fit....

 

[TumbleGeorge]

• May not fit into smaller cases
• Still not compatible with some boards
• Expensive
• Color theme not for everyone
• Does block top PCIExpress slot (on our X79 board)

This is for Noctua NH-D15s in one of reviews.

 

[Why_Me]

Greetings,

im in a process of buying a new PC but have a dillema on witch build to take. Price diffrence between builds is 50eur in my country. GPU i will use my old one till new middle range GPUs(RTX 4070,RX 7700/7800 XT) arrive. With both builds im planning power limiting CPU instead of undervolting it.

build one:

• 13700K
• Asus ROG Strix Z790-F Gaming
• G.Skill Trident Z5 64GB 6000 CL30 KIT (2x32GB) (64-TZ5K F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5K)
• Noctua NH-D15s
• Fractual Design Meshify 2 xl+Aditional fans
• Samsung 990 2TB m.2

build two:

• 13700K
• Gigabyte Z790 AORUS Master
• G.Skill Trident Z5 64GB 6000 CL30 KIT (2x32GB) (64-TZ5K F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5K)
• Arctic Liquid freezer II 420 AIO
• Cooler Master HAF 700
• Samsung 990 2TB m.2

Im alittle worried that build one will have memory issues considering QVL has same memory on list but with CL 34 instead of my CL 30, while with build two i have zero experience with Gigabyte motherboards and AIO is not as reliable compared to builds one Noctua aircooler. So witch build is better?

I take it these are prebuilts. Just curious but why the 64GB of RAM or do you plan on doing heavy video editing?

I would look at the Intel Core i7-13700 / 13700F (8 P-cores / 8 E-cores / 24 threads) if you plan on using air cooling. Intel is due to release the locked 13 gen cpu's along with the H770 / B760 boards January 3rd.

Intel B760 Motherboards & 13th Gen Non-K CPUs To Launch on 3rd January, 2023

Intel will be launching its mainstream B760 motherboards and 13th Gen Non-K CPUs on the 3rd of January, just around CES 2023.

wccftech.com

 

[TumbleGeorge]

I take it these are prebuilts. Just curious but why the 64GB of RAM or do you plan on doing heavy video editing?

Not all people care to open the case, even for a simple procedure like adding or replacing RAM, which in some cases with massive CPU cooling, may require removing it. If you haven't noticed, the requirements of new game titles are increasingly demanding. There are already several games that require 32GB of RAM for high settings. This will rise further in the future. Probably the next version of Windows (12) will require at least 2X more RAM than Windows 11 just for its work.

 

[Bomby569]

Not all people care to open the case, even for a simple procedure like adding or replacing RAM, which in some cases with massive CPU cooling, may require removing it.

With so many YT channels it's easy to just paint by numbers, and everyone should open it at least to clean it, i've seen some machines that have more dust then the Sahara.

 

[Why_Me]

Not all people care to open the case, even for a simple procedure like adding or replacing RAM, which in some cases with massive CPU cooling, may require removing it. If you haven't noticed, the requirements of new game titles are increasingly demanding. There are already several games that require 32GB of RAM for high settings. This will rise further in the future. Probably the next version of Windows (12) will require at least 2X more RAM than Windows 11 just for its work.

The OP mentioned undervolting so apparently he's not computer illiterate. With that said I'd look at a locked i7 due to lower TDP. Pair that up with a B760 / H770 board and it's a money saver.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

The OP mentioned undervolting

This does not required opening the PC case.
I think we've gone off the rails with assumptions about the OP's motives, and suggestions based on our assumptions only pollute the thread.

 

[Lovec1990]

The OP mentioned undervolting so apparently he's not computer illiterate. With that said I'd look at a locked i7 due to lower TDP. Pair that up with a B760 / H770 board and it's a money saver.

issue with locked i7 is that memory can only operate at max 5600mhz while unlocked i7 can operate with 5600mhz+ thus you could limit it to same TDP locked i7 has and use faster memory

 

[Why_Me]

issue with locked i7 is that memory can only operate at max 5600mhz while unlocked i7 can operate with 5600mhz+ thus you could limit it to same TDP locked i7 has and use faster memory

Do you have a link to that.

 

[Lovec1990]

Do you have a link to that.

No but i always heard non-K intel procesors cannot OC memory

 

[Lovec1990]

I've only read that in post on this board by the usual TPU sheep and I pretty much take any post on this board with a grain of salt. btw the great thing about the B660 boards is that they allow for memory o/c and the B760 boards will be no different.

Its CPU that supposedly not allows OCing memory

 

[Why_Me]

Its CPU that supposedly not allows OCing memory

Even if the voltages are locked with the locked cpu's the B660 chipset allows up to 6200mhz RAM. I'd expect the B760 DDR5 boards to go higher.

MSI PRO B660-A Motherboard, ATX - Intel 12th Gen Processors

The PRO B660-A ATX motherboard featuring the latest Intel B660 chipset that includes ample DDR5 RAM capacity with a broad spectrum of both cutting-edge and legacy hardware.

www.msi.com

 

[Lovec1990]

Even if the voltages are locked with the locked cpu's the B660 chipset allows up to 6200mhz RAM. I'd expect the B760 DDR5 boards to go higher.

MSI PRO B660-A Motherboard, ATX - Intel 12th Gen Processors

The PRO B660-A ATX motherboard featuring the latest Intel B660 chipset that includes ample DDR5 RAM capacity with a broad spectrum of both cutting-edge and legacy hardware.

www.msi.com

I think you misunderstod me based on info i have 13700(non-K) will not allow 6000mhz even if motherboard supports 8000mhz

 

[TumbleGeorge]

I think you misunderstod me based on info i have 13700(non-K) will not allow 6000mhz even if motherboard supports 8000mhz

In this moment Raptor lake non K didn't exist. For Alder lake yes has some issues with non K low klass models to work stable with faster OC RAM out of box. Maybe i7 13700 will have better IMC than Alder i7 non X, when be introduced and when have reviews will see.

 

[Why_Me]

I think you misunderstod me based on info i have 13700(non-K) will not allow 6000mhz even if motherboard supports 8000mhz

That doesn't make much sense. It's dependent on the chipset. 12 gen cpu's ... locked and unlocked natively support DDR5 4800 yet people run the locked cpu's with DDR5 5600 on a regular basis unless they're using a B610 board which doesn't allow for memory oc.

 

[Lovec1990]

That doesn't make much sense. It's dependent on the chipset. 12 gen cpu's ... locked and unlocked natively support DDR5 4800 yet people run the locked cpu's with DDR5 5600 on a regular basis unless they're using a B610 board which doesn't allow for memory oc.

Thank you for insisting enough so i checked about memory OC and locked CPUs so it seams i will look at 13700+B760 combo.