RTX 4050 speculation

[Dan.G]

I've found some rather detailed info here:
Nvidia Ada Lovelace Leaked Specifications, Die Sizes, Architecture, Cost, And Performance Analysis (semianalysis.com)

I'm targeting the AD107 (probably RTX 4050). Seems to have 3 GPCs with 16 ROPs / 32 TMUs each. That's a total of 48 ROPs and 96 TMUs, same as the GTX 1660 Ti, but running at much higher clock speeds (>2.5 GHz).
Also, it seems to feature 3072 FP32 cores / shaders, giving it a total of 15-16 Teraflops. Pretty impressive.
I'm interested to replace my aging GTX 1660 Ti, which is still going strong, but it's missing DLSS and ray-tracing (though, for an entry-level card, it doesn't matter too much).
DLSS could be very useful, on the other hand.
Do you think it will reach RX 6600 XT / RTX 3060 performance?

 

[cvaldes]

Who knows? Personally I wouldn't trust any rumor sites posting "specifications." Those are all guesstimates with varied levels of sanity based on whoever is making up the numbers.

Better to wait for third party reviews of actual shipping SKUs.

However it will likely be overpriced, that much I am confident in. The days of sub $200 entry-level desktop graphics cards are over.

DLSS is more useful for higher display resolutions (1440p, 2160p) because the original source still has enough bits to upscale. DLSS makes less sense for 1080p displays because the scaler is working from such a paltry amount of source data. DLSS is best used to increase framerates when raytracing is turned on but as you said raytracing makes little sense on an entry-level card.

However there are other usage cases for the Tensor cores. I have an RTX 3050; I use the machine learning cores for realtime video processing (Nvidia Broadcast). I think OBS Studio can use those ML cores for audio noise cancellation too. I don't game with the 3050.

If I want to game, I'll fire up another computer. My high-end build has an RTX 3080 Ti. That's where I play a lot of games.

It remains to be seen but the RTX 4050 might have AV1 hardware encoding. For some, that might be a deal clincher.

Speculating on unreleased product might be a fun pastime for some people online but it really don't help with purchase decision planning in any measurable degree.

 

[Dan.G]

Yeah, seeing the prices for the current RTX 3050...
I know there's AMD, but had some strange issues with a RX 6600: mouse was lagging when having game in background and browser opened
Tried different mice / browsers - same result.
Might not seem a big deal, but I really need Wowhead and YouTube

 

[eidairaman1]

Yeah, seeing the prices for the current RTX 3050...
I know there's AMD, but had some strange issues with a RX 6600: mouse was lagging when having game in background and browser opened
Tried different mice / browsers - same result.
Might not seem a big deal, but I really need Wowhead and YouTube

Turn off hardware acceleration in the webbrowser

 

[Dan.G]

Turn off hardware acceleration in the webbrowser

Thank you!
Tried it... a bit better, but still visible
WoW can only be run Windowed and not Fullscreen.

 

[wolf]

Feels like a bit too early to tell how a 4050 would shake out, but Ada is quite the jump from Ampere as that wasn't the jump from Turing it should have been due to Samsung 8nm. Basically wait and see but that eventual product should be relatively fast.. Pricing.. Who knows.

 

[ARF]

Do you think it will reach RX 6600 XT / RTX 3060 performance?

No need to wait. Buy the RX 6650 XT now.

radeon rx 6650 XT | Newegg.com AMD Radeon RX 6650 XT Grafikkarte (2023) Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

 

[Dan.G]

I might hold onto the GTX 1660 Ti just a little longer. Besides, WoW doesn't require too much GPU power, though they do increase the graphical requirements with each expansion.
Will be interesting to see the how the RX 7600 series shape up.

 

[ARF]

I might hold onto the GTX 1660 Ti just a little longer. Besides, WoW doesn't require too much GPU power, though they do increase the graphical requirements with each expansion.
Will be interesting to see the how the RX 7600 series shape up.

7600 will probably be based on Navi 33 on the same N7/N6 process node as Navi 2x, all Radeon 6000 series cards.

Given the performance of the RX 6650 XT as a starting point, there are some possibilities:
1. It will be ~40% faster than the RX 6650 XT but this will kill Navi 32 (Radeon RX 7700 / RX 7800) since we expect that as well.
2. It will be 10-20% faster, or around RX 6700 XT - RX 6750 XT, in which case it is not worth it to wait.

AMD Radeon RX 6650 XT Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

 

[JrRacinFan]

No need to wait. Buy the RX 6650 XT now.

I was going to mention this also. Intel ARC a770 gpu's too, with overclocking those fall just a hair under 3070 spec in terms of performance.

 

[TITAN RTX 4100]

I might hold onto the GTX 1660 Ti just a little longer. Besides, WoW doesn't require too much GPU power, though they do increase the graphical requirements with each expansion.
Will be interesting to see how the RX 7600 series shape up.

Just get something like an rtx 3060 or something. 4050 or 7600 xt aren't gonna be good at all. 7900 XTX and XT are already horrible, nvidia has been hit with the hardest hammer on earth to the point of where they overprice everything now, and 6650 XT or 3060 are great options for now while they still exist.

 

[Dan.G]

Just get something like an rtx 3060 or something. 4050 or 7600 xt aren't gonna be good at all. 7900 XTX and XT are already horrible, nvidia has been hit with the hardest hammer on earth to the point of where they overprice everything now, and 6650 XT or 3060 are great options for now while they still exist.

To be honest, the RTX 30 series do seem like a good deal, at the moment...
Thank you!
Need to sell old PC first, though (and pay the bank... yeah, I'm not proud of that...)
Would have loved to sell to someone here, where people are passionate about tech and understand its' value.
But shipping would not be very kind? Even in Europe

 

[JrRacinFan]

7600 xt aren't gonna be good at all

My speculation is that 7600xt will pull up to roughly 3080 spec in terms of price-to-performance at a lower power draw.

 

[Vya Domus]

To be honest, the RTX 30 series do seem like a good deal, at the moment...

How so ? Where I live at least, the only Nvidia cards priced comparatively to the 7900XT that I bought are the 3080/3080ti, which are obliviously slower + half the VRAM. Even the 6000 series are not a better deal, the 6950XT is also priced exactly like the 7900XT, no reason to buy that either.

I don't like the 7000 series pricing but the value is objectively speaking better than last gen, even if by a smidgen.

 

[Lei]

@Dan.G
I'd rather buy a second hand 3070/3080
People who owned one probably used it for about a 1 year only. It's easy to find a used card in good condition. It's not like all of them are mined on. Or even there are miners who take good care of their cards. Check their selling history reputation, find a seller that supports returning goods. I'm sure you'll be happy.

 

[TITAN RTX 4100]

My speculation is that 7600xt will pull up to roughly 3080 spec in terms of price-to-performance at a lower power draw.

Nope. 7600 xt is not gonna go up to the 3080 at all. AMD should have called 7900 XTX as 7800 XT, because it has the performance I would expect a 7800 XT to have. AMD named the tiers one tier higher than they should be. 7600 XT is what a 7500 XT should be. I expect 7600 xt to roughly be 6700 performance, maybe 6700 xt performance. 7700 xt should be 6800 performance. 7800 xt should have performance around 3080 ti and 3090, and also 6900 xt as well. Don't expect an awesome 7600 xt gpu like that. everyone already knows AMD is scamming us with rx 7000.

 

[JrRacinFan]

Reread my post. @TITAN RTX 4100

 

[TITAN RTX 4100]

Reread my post. @TITAN RTX 4100

Then don't say the word "specs" if that's not what you mean!

 

[JrRacinFan]

Then don't say the word "specs" if that's not what you mean!

But I did mean it and what I said kind of completely agreed with what you are saying in your previous post. Either way, it should turn out to be a decent card.

 

[Dan.G]

How so ? Where I live at least, the only Nvidia cards priced comparatively to the 7900XT that I bought are the 3080/3080ti, which are obliviously slower + half the VRAM. Even the 6000 series are not a better deal, the 6950XT is also priced exactly like the 7900XT, no reason to buy that either.

I don't like the 7000 series pricing but the value is objectively speaking better than last gen, even if by a smidgen.

The 3060 starts at ~ 420 Euros and the 3060 Ti starts at ~ 520 Euros, new.
But used, I found a really nice MSI 3060 Ti at 335 Euros (with warranty left)!
If only I'd had the money...
Yeah... I'm getting paid / project and last year has not been kind

 

[ARF]

How so ? Where I live at least, the only Nvidia cards priced comparatively to the 7900XT that I bought are the 3080/3080ti, which are obliviously slower + half the VRAM. Even the 6000 series are not a better deal, the 6950XT is also priced exactly like the 7900XT, no reason to buy that either.

I don't like the 7000 series pricing but the value is objectively speaking better than last gen, even if by a smidgen.

No, it is not. I have analysed the offers and currently RX 7900 series are the worst performance per price of the whole stack.
The best is Radeon RX 6650 XT, followed by Radeon RX 6600 and Radeon RX 6500 XT.

Radeon RX 6800 and 6800 XT are the best buys in the high-end segment, while the 6900/6950 XT offer better buys than 7900 XT/7900 XTX.

The 3060 starts at ~ 420 Euros and the 3060 Ti starts at ~ 520 Euros, new.
But used, I found a really nice MSI 3060 Ti at 335 Euros (with warranty left)!
If only I'd had the money...
Yeah... I'm getting paid / project and last year has not been kind

Radeon RX 6700 XT starts from 399 euros, while for 520 euros you could get RX 6750 XT with some 50 euros change.

 

[Dan.G]

Well a RX 6700 XT would be somewhat... overkill, if I could say so. Even the 3060 Ti is a bit too much.
I do prefer nVidia, though: you can run FSR and DLSS on them, but you can't do DLSS on AMD cards.
Some games have DLSS only - GTA Vice City Definitive Edition, for example (really like the game).
Of course, with a GPU as powerful as the RX 6700 XT you would not need DLSS / FSR, anyway (except for AAA titles at high resolutions / details).
Ray-tracing: not at the moment. It will, probably, be here to stay (remember PhysX?), and more games will adopt it in the coming years.
But, as Thranduil said: "I'm patient. I can wait."

 

[Vya Domus]

The best is Radeon RX 6650 XT, followed by Radeon RX 6600 and Radeon RX 6500 XT.

Those cards are worlds apart in performance from the the two current 7000 offerings so I can't see what the point is in even comparing them, plus lower end cards are always better value, no surprises there. No one is going to choose a 6650 XT over 7900XT because it's better value.

Radeon RX 6700 XT starts from 399 euros, while for 520 euros you could get RX 6750 XT with some 50 euros change.

Yeah except the 7900XT can often be more than twice as fast as the those, especially in RT at which point it is absolutely not better value.

Radeon RX 6800 and 6800 XT are the best buys in the high-end segment, while the 6900/6950 XT offer better buys than 7900 XT/7900 XTX.

Not where I live, like I said the 6950XT is literally the same price as a 7900XT.

 

[Why_Me]

I might hold onto the GTX 1660 Ti just a little longer. Besides, WoW doesn't require too much GPU power, though they do increase the graphical requirements with each expansion.
Will be interesting to see the how the RX 7600 series shape up.

The 4060's have just entered the laptop market so hopefully soon we will see the desktop version.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 AD106 Specs

NVIDIA AD106, 2460 MHz, 3072 Cores, 96 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2125 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[pavle]

Wow, 3072 shaders in RTX 4050? That's the same number as in the original Titan X, mighty fine if it's true. And with 96 TMU's it will be a good low power all around card. Of course RT is computationally intensive, so use with caution.