Critique the potential heir to my current i5 3450 build

[TheinsanegamerN]

For the price, considering the AMD build is cheaper somehow I'd pick that one, simply or upgradeability. Ryzen 9000 may be a major improvement over the 7000 and since you keep systems a long time its something to consider.

If you do go with the intel build, get a 13500 or 13600. The k is a waste of money, there is no point in OCing when power targets are a thing.

 

[dgianstefani]

For the price, considering the AMD build is cheaper somehow I'd pick that one, simply or upgradeability. Ryzen 9000 may be a major improvement over the 7000 and since you keep systems a long time its something to consider.

If you do go with the intel build, get a 13500 or 13600. The k is a waste of money, there is no point in OCing when power targets are a thing.

13500/600 is literally Alderlake.
Don't give bad advice.

K are OC'd out of the box, you don't need manual OC to get the performance benefits.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

13500/600 is literally Alderlake.
Don't give bad advice.

Oh clutch my pearls! It's ONLY alder lake! The horror!

Stop moral grandstanding. It's not bad advice, the 13500/13600 perform perfectly well and the actual difference is not going to be noticeable.

K are OC'd out of the box, you don't need manual OC to get the performance benefits.

The difference between k and non k are minimal at best. The dude is upgrading from a 3450, do you REALLY think the extra 1-3% performance of a K series is really gonna matter that much? This isnt sandy bridge, there's not a massive gulf in clocks from OCing. Simply upping the power limit will get the two within margin of error.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Can you wait for a few weeks to see how Zen 7000 3D performs? I would do that

 

[dgianstefani]

Oh clutch my pearls! It's ONLY alder lake! The horror!

Stop moral grandstanding. It's not bad advice, the 13500/13600 perform perfectly well and the actual difference is not going to be noticeable.

The difference between k and non k are minimal at best. The dude is upgrading from a 3450, do you REALLY think the extra 1-3% performance of a K series is really gonna matter that much? This isnt sandy bridge, there's not a massive gulf in clocks from OCing. Simply upping the power limit will get the two within margin of error.

Yes, suggesting a CPU that's more than 30% slower is bad advice believe it or not.

 

[PLAfiller]

Personally I'd get lower ghz on the RAM. I guess I just don't have enough knowledge, but the i5-13600K says "up to 5600 mhz RAM", so I don't know if the 6000mhz would really boost anything real-world.

@ecomorph out of curiosity how long did you use the system for? 10-12 years or more? You don't have to reply of course, I am just in the same boat of changing PC very rarely.

 

[dgianstefani]

Personally I'd get lower ghz on the RAM. I guess I just don't have enough knowledge, but the i5-13600K says "up to 5600 mhz RAM", so I don't know if the 6000mhz would really boost anything real-world.

@ecomorph out of curiosity how long did you use the system for? 10-12 years or more? You don't have to reply of course, I am just in the same boat of changing PC very rarely.

13600/7/900K can all do up to 8000+ on Z790.

 

[SL2]

Can you wait for a few weeks to see how Zen 7000 3D performs? I would do that

What for? "...occasional gaming..."? Makes no sense.

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13500/600 is literally Alderlake.
Don't give bad advice.

Even if the 13600K is Alder, that's a 22 % higher performance than a 12600K.
That's a pretty decent performance jump regardless.

 

[dgianstefani]

What for? "...occasional gaming..."? Makes no sense.



Even if the 13600K is Alder, that's a 22 % higher performance than a 12600K.
That's a pretty decent performance jump regardless.

13600K is definitely Raptor, 13600 may be Alder and 13500 is definitely Alder.

 

[SL2]

13600K is definitely Raptor, 13600 may be Alder and 13500 is definitely Alder.

So it went from "literally" to "may be" in half an hour for the 13600?

Yeah, no.

 

[dgianstefani]

So it went from "literally" to "may be" in half an hour for the 13600?

Yeah, no.

CPU is definitely where to save money in a 2.2k build he'll keep for another 10 years .

So far every other CPU aside from K series has been rebranded Alderlake, but I'm sure the 13600 is different.

 

[SL2]

CPU is definitely where to save money in a 2.2k build

Hey, don't change subject.

13500/600 is literally Alderlake.

13600 may be Alder

Make up your mind.

 

[dgianstefani]

Hey, don't change subject.



Make up your mind.

Got something useful to add to the conversation?

 

[Vario]

Upgradeability means a whole different thing today. When your i5 3450 was new, there was no point in thinking about upgrading, as neither brand had any upgrade paths that made much sense, and core count never seemed to change.
Socket AM5 gives you the option to upgrade to newer CPU's, more than a couple of years from now (AM4 lasted five years for retail, from 1800X to 5800X3D).

It's an option. You don't have to upgrade, but it can't really hurt being able to.

Also, if 4070 Ti is a better choice, you can almost fit within budget: €2 205.40

5 years isn't that great a deal if OP replaces every 10 years.

I also don't see the appeal of sticking with a motherboard, might as well upgrade motherboard and CPU at same time. You can often resell the old motherboard and CPU for a good price to offset the upgrade. Especially if you keep the motherboard box, antistatic bag, manuals, accessories.

 

[dgianstefani]

What for? "...occasional gaming..."? Makes no sense.



Even if the 13600K is Alder, that's a 22 % higher performance than a 12600K.
That's a pretty decent performance jump regardless.

13600K is Raptor arch... the only confirmed Raptor arch CPUs are the 13600K and up, the rest seem to be modified Alderlake chips.

5 years isn't that great a deal if OP replaces every 10 years.

It's irrelevant because whether he buys 7700 or 13600K it's not going to be replaced for 10 years+ so the potential upgrade path of AM5 doesn't matter.

13600K is slightly faster single core and much faster multicore than the 7600.

 

[SL2]

Got something useful to add to the conversation?

I'm patiently waiting for your reasoning behind your guessing.

13600K is slightly faster single core and much faster multicore than the 7700.

If his Premiere work is GPU accelerated it doesn't matter, and if it's not there's no reason to buy Intel.

 

[JrRacinFan]

Food for though on the AM5 build, look for an ASUS board.
In my research I found that the whole ASUS AM5 board lineup has Blazing M.2 {PCIe Gen5), even their B650 motherboards.

Also, look at the 7700, even the Non X. It's on par to performance closer to the 13600K.

Everything else looks great on both builds.

 

[dgianstefani]

I'm patiently waiting for your reasoning behind your guessing.

13600K is Raptor arch... the only confirmed Raptor arch CPUs are the 13600K and up, the rest seem to be modified Alderlake chips.

Scroll up.

It's not too hard to compare the cache/core configs or to look at Intel's own press releases.

Clearly the same chip right .

13600 seems to be a cut down 12900K with lower TDP, two fewer cores and less L2 than RPL due to the architectural differences between Alder/Raptor, the L2 lines up though.

13600K is a cut down 13700K which is RPL arch.

If his Premiere work is GPU accelerated it doesn't matter, and if it's not there's no reason to buy Intel.

10% faster in gaming and 15% faster on average in applications is no reason?

Ok.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

So 13600K , </= $200 z690, 64gb 3200MT/3600MT of ddr4( because lga1700 ddr5 is also DOA from midrange and up?)? €~1075 for a ~€475 to 550 what the 4070Ti should of been is beyond me.

It can always get out of ctrl on the upgrade path. I know I did.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

The whole heated debate is somewhat moot, after AMD's price cuts as a platform and DDR5 and additional promotional offers(in pack with games, or other offers). If a person finds a little more time to look around and look for some additional discounts from local shops, especially since he may have accumulated points or discount vouchers in them from previous shopping, he may even have collected some coupons cut from newspapers, or distributed by the company where he works.

 

[ecomorph]

Currently leaning pretty hard on the 13600k, especially due to emulation (20+% difference vs 7600 and 7700 -which is more expensive than the 13600k-) and media encoding performance (the only one who gets even close is the 7900, which goes for a whopping 41% premium).

In terms of the GPU... I'll probably assemble the build first without it and endure a few months with an iGPU to see if prices calm down a bit and see what becomes of RTX4070/4060 releases. Maybe even an RX 7600/7700/7800 XT down the line? (or a highly discounted RX 6-series XT by then). Time will tell.

Can you wait for a few weeks to see how Zen 7000 3D performs? I would do that

I will, even if it's just to see how they fare against the current lineup (and if that will make the non-X cpus drop in price, especially a 7900).

@ecomorph out of curiosity how long did you use the system for? 10-12 years or more? You don't have to reply of course, I am just in the same boat of changing PC very rarely.

Current system in use for 10.5 years and counting.

 

[JrRacinFan]

Food for though on the AM5 build, look for an ASUS board.
In my research I found that the whole ASUS AM5 board lineup has Blazing M.2 {PCIe Gen5), even their B650 motherboards.

Also, look at the 7700, even the Non X. It's on par to performance closer to the 13600K.

Everything else looks great on both builds.

Just so you dont miss my message if you do decide to go AM5 @ecomorph Just will help with motherboard longevity

 

[ecomorph]

Just so you dont miss my message if you do decide to go AM5 @ecomorph Just will help with motherboard longevity

Got it. Current mobo is Asus, so it's a testament to what you're saying.

 

[Why_Me]

13500/600 is literally Alderlake.
Don't give bad advice.

K are OC'd out of the box, you don't need manual OC to get the performance benefits.

The 13500 trades blows with the 7600 in gaming and mops the floor with it in multi threaded task.

 

[dgianstefani]

The 13500 trades blows with the 7600 in gaming and mops the floor with it in multi threaded task.

And?

It's a last gen part, don't recommend it for someone looking for a new high end build with a lifetime of 10 years.