Want to go 32Gb for DZ68BC Beast, IC info request

[revin]

I'm looking at getting some ram to max out the board, but it seems only certain 2r8
modules will work.
I had tried some GSkil Aries 4x8 1866 dims, but wouldn't boot at all, not even 1 and was assured they are indeed working, so it's very specific for my board.{ Edit, this was months ago and returned with no issues}

I've came across these 2 set's that are of the "2r8" config, albeit 1600 dims, but not sure which would be a "better" choice.

I still have my Samsung Wonder Ram and lean a bit toward the Sammy's, But, its about 20$ cheaper for the Hynix set{$60}

I can't really decipher the numbers on the ic's. so thought I'd ask here for some input about these sets.
I would "like" to atleast get back to {oc}1866 with a set if possible.

 

[kilo]

Intel specifies up to 1600 MT/s on the RAM.

When you say it didn't boot with the GSkill RAM, we're you able to POST and get into the BIOS? That's where I would start: See if you can down clock the RAM to 1600.

If not, a cursory search on Intel's site and I did not locate a QVL for that board. If I find it, I'll edit this out.

A little more digging in the Intel forums for this board and there are several minor concerns. First, update your BIOS to at least 0042 or later, 003x had several iterations of really bad memory support even with 4x4GB configs. Second, according to one thread, (take this with a grain of salt) from an Intel employee (2012-06-16) insists that SB IMC only supports 1333 1.5v and IVB IMC supports up to 1600 1.5v. I'm sure many folks will disagree with this from experience, but this board in particular seems finicky.

Looping back, if you can POST with 1 DIMM (or more) of the GSkill, see what settings you can change on the RAM. I would be remiss to suggest buying multiple kits and testing compatibility only to waste time and money.

 

[revin]

Wow there's so much not quite "correct" in there. BUT, as in my OP , I was leaning more about what those IC numbers lead to, in terms of quality, latency ect, not just the 11,11, ect...

First, update your BIOS to at least 0042 or later

Firstly, The Only reason to "update BIOS" past 0028 is to run a 3770, And you can Never go back. , thus Be Careful just saying things like that without understanding the OP's queries.
That would have Instantly rendered the machine Useless, A Quick glance at My sys spec's would answer that for you
And it {IB Bios} was a CRAP Show after Intel "tried to outgun" other's by doing it rather than waiting for a new board to release, thus it gave this board a "bad hit", BIOS 002x and 2600K it's a freak'n beast

As for 4x4 issues, I've ran 2 different 4x4 2133 Kits of Muskin, But they would post/run at 1600 or 1866, and ran quite nicely at 1866. Even 19xx. and a different Crucial set before the wonder ram
The current Ram is a Beast with this setup and as @cadaveca pointed out during testing of the Wonder Ram, Intel actually overworked THIS 1866 divider and from testing it was surpassing 2133 ram and using less than 1.5v.
Also another reason the DZ68's got a lesser rep, was the big craze for "5Ghz" and folks went Wild Upping all voltages ect, and it's just not how Intel "made" this board. It's more than happy with stock voltages and as one old member said, he was stunned my cpu ran with stock volt and did this with zero added voltages to any subsystem. I'd helped a number of DZ68 owners get it "fixed" letting them understand the ease of how to approach this setup
Obviously there is TON's of "non" Intel brand board's that ran this combo blazing but Intel was more "strict" to their "spec's" than other board partners.

Again I just wanted some knowable info from folks here that can interrupt those ic numbers and see if 1 set "may" give an edge over the other.

Supported Config 32Gb
8192MB [DIMM Capacity], DS, 4Gbit [SDRAM Density], 512 M x8/512 M x8 [SDRAM Organization Density Front-side/Back-side], 16 [Number of SDRAM Devices]

 

[maxfly]

Is this the only ddr3 rig you have?

 

[revin]

Is this the only ddr3 rig you have?

? umm , yes ?
Anyway's, a lil compare of this DDR3 to some DDR4, it's held up pretty dang good I'd say

DDR4 3200 Quad chan

DDR3 1900 Dual chan

 

[maxfly]

? umm , yes ?
Anyway's, a lil compare of this DDR3 to some DDR4, it's held up pretty dang good I'd say

DDR4 3200
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DDR3 1900
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Lol nvm enjoy.

 

[Mussels]

You can google the values or just use software to read them when in windows like CPU-Z


no one can tell you what OC values will work, as thats entirely dependent on the rest of the system, what works for 2 modules may not work for 4, etc.

 

[revin]

Well, I'm not really looking for "OC" values, just info about the IC's on the 2 sets.
It's like waay back @lemonadesoda had me look at my Bliss mem chips, and the last numbers was 12, showing it had 1.2ns chips
Like I've seen on TPU "those are B dies ect", That's more like what info I was trying to get help with about the 2 sets in the op.

I cant CPUz "read" the values since I have yet to buy a set, and googleing it took me no where I could get info "about" them and not sure I'd even understand the info if I found it

 

[lemonadesoda]

@revin long time!
I can’t give you any insight into those two alternatives you showed, other than the blue hynix look cooler.

well, actually, the samsung are PC3L which have different JEDEC profiles for lower voltage. I’m going to assume your mainboard is going to prefer regular PC3, but check your manual/bios options.

 

[revin]

Hey'O lemonadesoda
I do indeed, Intel Spec • Support for 1.35 V low and 1.25 V ultra low voltage JEDEC memory, and 1.5v ram, and BIOS can go 1.2 -2.0 volts

 

[lemonadesoda]

Then use your Magic 8 Ball to decide.

BTW, there’s some really good advice in this thread. 5th post. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-dz68bc-extreme-which-ram.157871/

I just bought a ThinkStation off ebay for EUR 95, to replace my Dual Xeon E5472s.

Intel i7-2600K vs Xeon E3-1230 v5 vs Xeon E5472 [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

It’s running circles around my old system and would your 12 year old skulltrail too. Dont throw good money at such an old platform. The skulltrail was exciting in it’s day, just like my ASUS DSEB twin Xeon workstation. But keep your cash until you are ready to upgrade. Find a nice A1 condition workstation just a couple years old and when you do, retire your skulltrail.

 

[revin]

Dont throw good money at such an old platform

I get what your saying But for 60ish $, it still is keeping up and even surpassing the Xeon, even in single thread from your link
And again Ram is well into 2400 and even close to 3200 Quad
I'm not quite sure it's ready to retire yet for what I do and this will finish off this build. Got enough of "good" hardware in it to handle quite a good deal of task I'd think ....



@ShrimpBrime Thank You !
I'll look into trying to track some chip numbers tomorrow
Really appreciate it !

oof where'd his post go was #12 when I was making my last post

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I get what your saying But for 60ish $, it still is keeping up and even surpassing the Xeon, even in single thread from your link
And again Ram is well into 2400 and even close to 3200 Quad
I'm not quite sure it's ready to retire yet for what I do and this will finish off this build. Got enough of "good" hardware in it to handle quite a good deal of task I'd think ....

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@ShrimpBrime Thank You !
I'll look into trying to track some chip numbers tomorrow
Really appreciate it !

oof where'd his post go was #12 when I was making my last post

I'm sorry, the link may have contained inappropriate content, so the moderation team removed it.

I will link the source in a pm if my account isn't already restricted.

 

[revin]

So it seems that the Samsung DIMM's are "E" die ? [and may be 1.25ns latency chips]
Is that a mfg "revision" or a quality aspect ?

Again, just trying to understand from the post in TPU about "B" die ect so is it a basis of quality perhaps?
Also it may appear that these {ic's} was on 1866 {Samsung}dim's with higher timings

 

[Deleted member 185158]

So it seems that the Samsung DIMM's are "E" die ? [and may be 1.25ns latency chips]
Is that a mfg "revision" or a quality aspect ?

Again, just trying to understand from the post in TPU about "B" die ect so is it a basis of quality perhaps?
Also it may appear that these {ic's} was on 1866 {Samsung}dim's with higher timings

That is a revision of the die. There are many several that each of the 3 main manufacturers use. And they will reuse that die naming through the generations of ddr.

Micron, Samsung, and SK Hynix all make an "E" die for example. And some die revisions are better than others.

Way back to ddr 1 days, TCCD or BH5/6 where sought after for example.

Then depending on how long they fabricate new memory dies, like today's ddr5 for example, the build date of a certain die might be much better than an older one. Samsung B-Die is a great example of this on ddr4 platforms.

Further more, when looking at purchasing memory, frequencies that are considered an OC at the upper end of the scale will perform better than lower speeds even on the same die make. Basically "binning" so there's lots of offerings to the consumer.

Quality with memory from all three makes has always been good and each with a certain failure rate with x die for which ddr platform and so forth.

It is a must to research memory when buying into a platform. DDR5 is getting faster and cheaper. The die makes are still being improved as we speak as well. Don't be surprised if something comes out later that's "better", for a lack of better words.

 

[Mussels]

I'm sorry, the link may have contained inappropriate content, so the moderation team removed it.

I will link the source in a pm if my account isn't already restricted.

the reason was listed (wasn't me, btw)
"no posts with just a link or picture."


Memory stuff varies, and then you can run into things that run against common knowledge - as an example, most overclocking guides and info are just based on two sticks of RAM, usually single rank. Add four sticks or dual rank memory - or god forbid four dual rank sticks, and most of the information becomes useless, fast.

You also get variance between individual CPUs, even on the same motherboard so there are no magic answers other than trial and error, which with RAM overclocking is a very very slow process.

I got some DDR3L 1600 here that runs 2000 really happily, but some DDR3 1866 that wont reach the same speed - both generic heatspreader looking stuff without XMP

 

[Deleted member 185158]

the reason was listed (wasn't me, btw)
"no posts with just a link or picture."

I know, we have a PM thread. Where you not invited? (I only invited 2 guests to that one so they can have a read.

No biggie, I just didn't have anything to say, the link spoke for its self.

 

[Mussels]

I wasn't at the time, no. I just replied to the comment here in the thread.

 

[revin]

Memory stuff varies, and then you can run into things that run against common knowledge - as an example, most overclocking guides and info are just based on two sticks of RAM, usually single rank. Add four sticks or dual rank memory - or god forbid four dual rank sticks, and most of the information becomes useless, fast.
You also get variance between individual CPUs, even on the same motherboard so there are no magic answers other than trial and error, which with RAM overclocking is a very very slow process

Oh I totally get what you all are saying, and it seems I got "lucky" but I know it's not a guarantee another set will do as good, or better.
The 2 Mushkin 4x4 set's{Redline then a Blackline} I used before these Sammy's were "better" slightly, even tho the 2133 kit wouldn't go there no matter what, I remember seeing the ss of 1 set, and it was slightly higher than now, But, Those was 2+x the price of these $15 sticks aprox 60 vs 150+ for the Mushkins.

That's where @lemonadesoda point's are hit home, cost, vs end result
But also, when there is free performance while not going "crazy" that's a plus too

Way back to ddr 1 days, TCCD or BH5/6 where sought after for example

OMG This, I had some of those Corsair's XMS that ripped at 2225 on my 2 Abit Ai7 boards,{sadly my OC Adventure on Air thread got lost after a server reset in 2008/9ish)

And that's what I been trying to study and understand about the ic's on what's available now {couple more since the 2 in OP also.
Your {removed} link got me headed in just the right direction, tons of good info from that, which led me to find some other hard info to help decide on set's
It just sux I'm a few generations behind and i'll admit, it's hard to remember stuff from back then { just like the DDR craze}

 

[revin]

Which should it lean toward between
Lower Voltage [1.35 ]with Higher Timings, {Samsung BYKO 11-13 x?x?)
or
Higher Voltage {1.5} with Lower Timings ? (Ballstix Sport 9.9.9.24)

But I cant make out what the "configuration" of those Sports ie the 512x8 DS {2rx8}?

Can anyone help with the Crucial's config breakdown ?

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Which should it lean toward between
Lower Voltage [1.35 ]with Higher Timings, {Samsung BYKO 11-13 x?x?)
or
Higher Voltage {1.5} with Lower Timings ? (Ballstix Sport 9.9.9.24)

But I cant make out what the "configuration" of those Sports ie the 512x8 DS {2rx8}?

Can anyone help with the Crucial's config breakdown ?

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That link I sent you, make an account and register. I'll accept the invite when I see it.
Then make a thread for the information you seek. 3 guys there will have the knowledge of this entire forum on just DDR3 alone.