[Youtube Pop-Up] "Ad blockers are not allowed on Youtube"

[lexluthermiester]

"Ad blockers are not allowed on YouTube."

I haven't and won't see this. I have been a YouTube buyer since it was called YouTubeRed. However, I have tested this while logged out and UBlockOrigin can and does block that nag window.

Adblock is piracy

That is utter lunacy! Just go away with that clueless nonsense.

and they do have rights.

Sure but they are limited. We have the right NOT to tolerate ads.

 

[NSX05]

No it isn't, & No they do not.

By visiting the website, you are giving the server permission to execute web-related files on your machine.

You have the right to deny that by staying offline, not visiting the website, or severely handicapping your browsing experience of the website. If you choose to do none of those things, then you are giving up that right.

 

[claes]

No it isn't, & No they do not.

They do. It’s their property after all.

 

[jon_joy_1999]

No it isn't, & No they do not.

Yes, it is. Youtube as a platform sells a service. The payment in this case is advertisements. If you're not watching ads you're not paying for it. Therefore piracy.

 

[Space Lynx]

Adblock is piracy, and they do have rights.

destroying my fucking mind and ability to reason with your endless ads is against the violation of my pursuit of happiness. if logic and reason are what separates us from the animals, perhaps companies should stop treating us like animals with exploitation and psychology.

ublock origin for life.

be free brothers.

I am fine with some ads, but these companies always push for more and more and more, they are the ones who lost the way of reason and logic, not us. They forced our hand into it. Go back to a single 4 or 5 second ad, and I will gladly watch it.

 

[claes]

It’s even simpler than that, at least in the us. The website owner has a copyright to the data that makes their website. You are consenting to downloading that data by visiting the site. Typically the website itself will run dozens of checks on your browser to determine what content to show and how to show it. If they wanna check for an adblocker, they can do that — it’s their property and you chose to download it.

don’t know about the eu and other regions though. Not saying it’s right either so please don’t at me

 

[lexluthermiester]

By visiting the website, you are giving the server permission to execute web-related files on your machine.

While true, YOU have COMPLETE control of what may and may NOT run. That is a right protected by law.

 

[NSX05]

While true, YOU have COMPLETE control of what may and may NOT run. That is a right protected by law.

The second half of my post suggests ways to control it, because yes, absolutely you do.

 

[Space Lynx]

It’s even simpler than that, at least in the us. The website owner has a copyright to the data that makes their website. You are consenting to downloading that data by visiting the site. Typically the website itself will run dozens of checks on your browser to determine what content to show and how to show it. If they wanna check for an adblocker, they can do that — it’s their property and you chose to download it.

don’t know about the eu and other regions though. Not saying it’s right either so please don’t at me

We have reached a new phase in society where the masses rely upon Youtube especially for information, How To videos, etc. Even medical type events they made need help with urgently. While I agree with you, this is a new paradigm we are facing as a society, and one way or another the courts will decide it in the end.

While true, YOU have COMPLETE control of what may and may NOT run. That is a right protected by law.

I would argue that there should be some videos YouTube is forced to show us with no ads regardless if it detects an adblocker or not, such as how to perform a Heimlich maneuver in the event someone is choking, and on top of that it has the responsibility to have qualified videos show up at the top in the said algorithm when searched for, this is just one example of many to prove a point. I am well aware there are other sites you can go to, but most people in a panic, do not have the self-awareness to search mayo clinic, etc etc... they go straight to youtube.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Yes, it is. Youtube as a platform sells a service. The payment in this case is advertisements. If you're not watching ads you're not paying for it. Therefore piracy.

That's not how piracy works.

It’s even simpler than that, at least in the us. The website owner has a copyright to the data that makes their website. You are consenting to downloading that data by visiting the site. Typically the website itself will run dozens of checks on your browser to determine what content to show and how to show it. If they wanna check for an adblocker, they can do that — it’s their property and you chose to download it.

don’t know about the eu and other regions though. Not saying it’s right either so please don’t at me

No actually they can't, you give the permission of that data when you enable specific cookies (namely 3rd party). As many other Countries in EU forbid the obtaining of that data, because it contains private information.
As in my Post earlier where I Enable strict no third parties' "cookies" in edges makes The weather.com, claim I have an AD blocker, when I do not even have one install on edge at all.

 

[jon_joy_1999]

That's not how piracy works.

Explain how piracy works.

 

[Space Lynx]

That's not how piracy works.


No actually they can't, you give the permission of that data when you enable specific cookies (namely 3rd party). As many other Countries in EU forbid the obtaining of that data, because

it would be nice to live in Europe. wouldn't have taken 10 years to get my CPAP breathing machine, the greed of the insurance companies in this country is apalling.

Explain how piracy works.

explain how morality works for the Common Man

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

By visiting the website, you are giving the server permission to execute web-related files on your machine.

You have the right to deny that by staying offline, not visiting the website, or severely handicapping your browsing experience of the website. If you choose to do none of those things, then you are giving up that right.

The website doesn't execute anything that's the browser. The webstie is just a host for data nothing more than a portal with an adress.

 

[NSX05]

The website doesn't execute anything that's the browser. The webstie is just a host for data nothing more than a portal with an adress.

Not necessarily. Cookies can also be handled server side. But what I was saying is that you are giving the server permission to provide those files in the first place for your browser to deal with them.

I make websites, by the way.

 

[claes]

No actually they can't, you give the permission of that data when you enable specific cookies (namely 3rd party). As many other Countries in EU forbid the obtaining of that data, because it contains private information.

That’s why I specified the us, where there are no cookie consent laws, said idk about the eu, where there are, and asked you not to at me

 

[jon_joy_1999]

explain how morality works for the Common Man

Morality is the distinction between right and wrong.
Is it right to take something that has a cost and not pay that cost?

 

[Space Lynx]

Morality is the distinction between right and wrong.
Is it right to take something that has a cost and not pay that cost?

I am sorry you never studied the Enlightenment thinkers of the past age.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Morality is the distinction between right and wrong.
Is it right to take something that has a cost and not pay that cost?

do I have to look at a billboard I drive past, while I'm driving?

 

[claes]

I am sorry you never studied the Enlightenment thinkers of the past age.

Oh come on, that’s a lazy cop out. Not only has the study of morality advanced significantly since then, but laws don’t care about “morality,” whatever that might mean

do I have to look at a billboard I drive past, while I'm driving?

No, but what happens when you alter it?

 

[Space Lynx]

Oh come on, that’s a lazy cop out. Not only has the study of morality advanced significantly since then, but laws don’t care about “morality,” whatever that might mean

I'm well aware America abandoned the greatest virtue of Reason long ago, in the name of greed and envy. Morality is easy, virtue is the highest good, and when we abandon that we no longer have morality, decency to one another has also been abandoned in this land we call home, and the ancients would be ashamed at seeing what we have become as a species. Not living according to our social nature, that is for certain.

 

[claes]

Capital r reason? No offense, I sympathize with you, but yeesh get off your high horse/morality is dead. No need for flowery words and condescension towards others, just say what you mean and take others seriously like your social “nature” compels you to (or whatever)

 

[emothxughts]

While this highly intellectual super respectful morality debate is going on, I'd like to tell of my own adblocking experience.

I use Firefox on both PC and phone, and I use Ublock Origin with everything turned on, and I mean everything, up to and including the language/country specific filters. Let's just say, the only time I see ads are on my phone's Instagram app, the last bastion of ads shoved up my eyes. I don't even get the "you're using an adblocker turn it off nao" message.

As for YT on phone, I use Revanced, I intend to turn Sponsorblock off for certain creators with entertaining enough ad segways, like the guy with the tech tips. I keep forgetting to turn it off though...

 

[Space Lynx]

Capital r reason? No offense, I sympathize with you, but yeesh get off your high horse/morality is dead. No need for flowery words and condescension towards others, just say what you mean and take others seriously like your social “nature” compels you to (or whatever)

Flowery words? That's only for modern philosophers that require you to look up a word in the dictionary to feed their ego, I doubt you had to google the definition of any of the words I used.

I do take him seriously, and I was not putting him down. The highest virtue should indeed have a capital r when used in its proper context, it is all we have as a species that separates us from animals. If we lose it, nothing but darkness remains.

@jon_joy_1999 It is possible you are correct, I am willing to concede that indeed the only way for humanity to grow is if we follow the rules, even if they lack virtue. Perhaps that is the only way we can grow as a species? I do not have the answer. You should read Hobbes Leviathan, it is similar to this idea, just different context.

 

[Maverick-DBZ-]

Back in 2016 I decided to pay for YouTube Premium, Red back then. I get so much out of it, it's worth it to me. However, I don't judge anyone that uses blockers.

I use a Pi-Hole setup myself in combination with uBlock Origin for the rest of the internet and whitelist sites like this one which have normal unobtrusive ads.

 

[Space Lynx]

Back in 2016 I decided to pay for YouTube Premium, Red back then. I get so much out of it, it's worth it to me. However, I don't judge anyone that uses blockers.

I use a Pi-Hole setup myself in combination with uBlock Origin for the rest of the internet and whitelist sites like this one which have normal unobtrusive ads.

This seems like a good balance. I tried using the pcgamer website without ublock origin one time... it was a nightmare. Might be better these days, I don't know. With ublock origin it is bearable.