Should I install Windows 10 or 11 for my new device

[theFOoL]

It makes no sense to put W10 on a new computer. W10 is going away. Nothing can stop that. W11 is here to stay. It makes no sense to go through the hassle of installing, learning, and getting used to W10, then soon down the road, have to do it all over again with W11.

I have heard the same old arguments about how the new Windows version sucks with EVERY SINGLE NEW VERSION since Windows 1.0 came out to replace DOS. Same with every new version of this browser, that browser, this word processor, that word processor, this security program, that security program. It never changes. People like what they are used to, and hate what they are not familiar with.

But then something magical happens. They get used to the new version and suddenly, the old version looks and feels awkward.

Do not forget that Windows is just the operating system. We use the OS to launch our favorite programs. We do not sit around, hours at a time, staring at the OS. We launch our game, our browser, our word processor and that is what we then see.

Hmm I'm sure WiN10 will get updates for awhile since both WiN10/11 are the same in the *Kernel Level bc on each update M$ brings something to the table

 

[SL2]

Hmm I'm sure WiN10 will get updates for awhile since both WiN10/11 are the same in the *Kernel Level bc on each update M$ brings something to the table

It will end some time during the second half of next year for consumer versions, so no.

October 14, 2025 is the end date.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Hmm I'm sure WiN10 will get updates for awhile

So what?

That is not the point. I say again,

W10 is going away. Nothing can stop that. W11 is here to stay. It makes no sense to go through the hassle of installing, learning, and getting used to W10, then soon down the road, have to do it all over again with W11.

The OP just bought this new computer, fully capable of running W11. Why put an older generation, soon to be discontinued, operating system on a new computer? That makes no sense.

Sure, W11 has some problems. Name an OS that came out perfect from the start.

Microsoft is NOT pouring resources in to W10 to make W10 better. They ARE pouring resources into W11 to make it better and better.

AND program developers are pouring resources into their games and other programs to make them run more efficiently and optimally on W11 too.

Legacy (hardware and software) product development (and support) for W10 is already waning and will continue to wane at a faster pace - just as it has done EVERY SINGLE TIME throughout the history of the PC.

Yes, MS will keep producing updates for W10 - for awhile. But they will mostly be for security, to fix existing bugs, and maybe, I say again, maybe to add some support for new protocols just coming out.

But make no mistake! Microsoft do NOT want to, nor will they keep making improvements to W10 that will encourage users to keep using W10. They will, however, do just that for W11.

 

[theFOoL]

So what?

That is not the point. I say again,


The OP just bought this new computer, fully capable of running W11. Why put an older generation, soon to be discontinued, operating system on a new computer? That makes no sense.

Sure, W11 has some problems. Name an OS that came out perfect from the start.

Microsoft is NOT pouring resources in to W10 to make W10 better. They ARE pouring resources into W11 to make it better and better.

AND program developers are pouring resources into their games and other programs to make them run more efficiently and optimally on W11 too.

Legacy (hardware and software) product development (and support) for W10 is already waning and will continue to wane at a faster pace - just as it has done EVERY SINGLE TIME throughout the history of the PC.

Yes, MS will keep producing updates for W10 - for awhile. But they will mostly be for security, to fix existing bugs, and maybe, I say again, maybe to add some support for new protocols just coming out.

But make no mistake! Microsoft do NOT want to, nor will they keep making improvements to W10 that will encourage users to keep using W10. They will, however, do just that for W11.

WIN10 is Basically WIN7 at this point so yeah but with the things M$ is doing is just not right in my Eyes. I have WINLTSC (Both WIN10 and 11 as well (from a place thanks to VPN HIDE ME "DL'ing and cheating is Fun and what I Do)

 

[Bill_Bright]

WIN10 is Basically WIN7 at this point

??? Again, so what? That means nothing here.

You could say they are all basically NT and the point remains the same - totally meaningless for this discussion.

 

[mb194dc]

This thread hurt to read.

In 11 the old context menu is a reg edit away. Games run better thanks to properly implemented FSO and GPU scheduling. Just about everything else is the same but improved. You can still cut off home phoning. And the LTSC just dropped, 26100.2 is certified for OEMs and is already getting regular updates. Even my unsupported Skylake runs better on 11 ProW than 10 LTSC. The amount of misinformation, assumption and rage has turned me off of trying to use these forums meaningfully and this account will go dormant until necessary. Thanks.

You think it's acceptable to have to regedit to get a usable os?

Cite some comparisons showing windows 11 is faster, on different hardware?

11 LTSC hasn't been officially released yet, only a leaked version. It's supposed to be released in h2 but no date yet.

Why not post some evidence showing you're right?

 

[dgianstefani]

GitHub - ChrisTitusTech/winutil: Chris Titus Tech's Windows Utility - Install Programs, Tweaks, Fixes, and Updates

Chris Titus Tech's Windows Utility - Install Programs, Tweaks, Fixes, and Updates - ChrisTitusTech/winutil

github.com

I was trying to remember which tool I currently use for creating my own ISOs, was on phone earlier so didn't have everything bookmarked that I do on my workstation.

"irm https://christitus.com/win | iex" - typed into elevated powershell brings this software up from the net.

Allows preloading with third party software, important configuration steps before first boot/install, modifying the core Windows ISO to get what you want and remove what you don't. Microwin is pretty clever software, uses OSCDIMG, a MS command line tool, but with a GUI from Chris/git, and Assessment/Deployment kit, also from MS.

It's not as comprehensive as manually doing things with the tools I linked earlier, but it's pretty accessible.

 

[cvaldes]

Windows 11.
I am as much of a "hater" when it comes to microsoft and new Windows versions but Windows 11 is in almost every way far superior.

Today I agree with this statement.

Six months ago I would have said to install Windows 10 22H2. But I have found that Windows 11 23H2 is indeed a better OS than Windows 10 provided you're not running some legacy programs for work.

I have been slowly upgrading my various Windows systems to W11 23H2 so I've witnessed Windows 10 and Windows 11 side by side in various states. A year ago I was downgrading W11 systems back down to W10. I'm not doing that anymore. It works better, both from the Microsoft side as well as third-party program authors.

In a few months they will all be on W11 23H2 apart from one legacy system that I will keep at W10.

And as been mentioned earlier, Microsoft is basically in maintenance mode with Windows 10. They aren't adding any new features to it, they're mostly just patching security vulnerabilities.

 

[dgianstefani]

And as been mentioned earlier, Microsoft is basically in maintenance mode with Windows 10. They aren't adding any new features to it, they're mostly just patching security vulnerabilities.

What a wonderful state to be in
95% of the new features added have been sidegrades, downgrades or modern crap that has superior aftermarket alternatives, but can't easily be removed from the OS since it's baked in tight.

A few things that were brought to 11 first then came to 10 turned out to be good, but they're not exclusive to 11, so no issue with using 10. HAGS for example.

Microsoft is NOT pouring resources in to W10 to make W10 better. They ARE pouring resources into W11 to make it better and better.

AND program developers are pouring resources into their games and other programs to make them run more efficiently and optimally on W11 too.

Legacy (hardware and software) product development (and support) for W10 is already waning and will continue to wane at a faster pace - just as it has done EVERY SINGLE TIME throughout the history of the PC.

Any examples of software that works on Win 11 but not Win 10?

Even with non heterogenous CPUs such as Intel Alder Lake and beyond, and dual CCD Zen chips with 3DVCache, Intel's hardware scheduler and the game bar approach for AMD still work fine, and there aren't performance issues.. Aside from certain AI things, assuming you'd even want to use MS consumer AI stuff (doubtful value IMO), I'm not seeing software that works for 11 but not 10.

Windows 11 is still not faster than Windows 10 on Intel

Only better at handling some workloads When software King of the World Microsoft released Windows 11 it said that it would be faster than Windows 10 because it was optimised for more modern hardware, however, the latest figures show that they are still pretty much on par. When Windows 11 came o...

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[cvaldes]

What a wonderful state to be in
95% of the new features added have been sidegrades, downgrades or modern crap that has superior aftermarket alternatives, but can't easily be removed from the OS since it's baked in tight.

I appreciate mature operating systems.

On my daily driver Mac, I am running previous macOS Ventura. I plan to upgrade to current Sonoma a week before Apple WWDC which basically ensures that the remainder of the updates are just bug fixes and security patches. Same with my iPhone and iPad. Running the previous version until June. Yes, this means I get the new features about nine months late, but at least I don't have to deal with the majority of bugs that up-to-date users have suffered through.

I'm all for companies adding new features to their software. I just don't want to be in the front-line trenches when it happens.

 

[dgianstefani]

I appreciate mature operating systems.

On my daily driver Mac, I am running previous macOS Ventura. I plan to upgrade to current Sonoma a week before Apple WWDC which basically ensures that the remainder of the updates are just bug fixes and security patches. Same with my iPhone and iPad. Running the previous version until June. Yes, this means I get the new features about nine months late, but at least I don't have to deal with the majority of bugs that up-to-date users have suffered through.

I'm all for companies adding new features to their software. I just don't want to be in the front-line trenches when it happens.

Yeah it's great, especially when there's practically no performance differences in the applications you use, and no issues with support (not for another year for consumer home/pro, 2027 for LTSC, and 2032 for IoT LTSC).

For Mac, the introduction of APFS and OSX specifically designed for Apple silicon was major. Some of the performance differences between newer and older versions of OSX on the same hardware were significant and compelling reasons to upgrade.

10 to 11? It depends on whether you see the revised UI and "features" as being worthy. There's also the cost to consider regarding how much more baked in the telemetry, privacy, adverts etc are compared to 10. Most of the things people are talking about re new gaming features etc, like HAGS, directstorage etc, all been backported to 10, and work great.

As I've stated already, fingers crossed Win 11 LTSC is a solid OS like 10 LTSC, but I still think work will need to be done by the end user to get it to an acceptable level.

 

[Lewis777]

Yeah it's great, especially when there's practically no performance differences in the applications you use, and no issues with support (not for another year for consumer home/pro, 2027 for LTSC, and 2032 for IoT LTSC).

For Mac, the introduction of APFS and OSX specifically designed for Apple silicon was major. Some of the performance differences between newer and older versions of OSX on the same hardware were significant and compelling reasons to upgrade.

10 to 11? It depends on whether you see the revised UI and "features" as being worthy. There's also the cost to consider regarding how much more baked in the telemetry, privacy, adverts etc are compared to 10. Most of the things people are talking about re new gaming features etc, like HAGS, directstorage etc, all been backported to 10, and work great.

As I've stated already, fingers crossed Win 11 LTSC is a solid OS like 10 LTSC, but I still think work will need to be done by the end user to get it to an acceptable level.

Hello, I installed Windows 10 21H2 Enterprise LTSC and I saw that the laptop is very fast, as I said, the device is new, I will switch to windows 11 when the support is discontinued. Thank you very much, I bought a license and I started using my device now, do you have any suggestions.

 

[dgianstefani]

Hello, I installed Windows 10 21H2 Enterprise LTSC and I saw that the laptop is very fast, as I said, the device is new, I will switch to windows 11 when the support is discontinued. Thank you very much, I bought a license and I started using my device now, do you have any suggestions.

O&O Shutup 10 and maybe run this software to cleanup/customise your install to your liking.

GitHub - ChrisTitusTech/winutil: Chris Titus Tech's Windows Utility - Install Programs, Tweaks, Fixes, and Updates

Chris Titus Tech's Windows Utility - Install Programs, Tweaks, Fixes, and Updates - ChrisTitusTech/winutil

github.com

I was trying to remember which tool I currently use for creating my own ISOs, was on phone earlier so didn't have everything bookmarked that I do on my workstation.

"irm https://christitus.com/win | iex" - typed into elevated powershell brings this software up from the net.

Allows preloading with third party software, important configuration steps before first boot/install, modifying the core Windows ISO to get what you want and remove what you don't. Microwin is pretty clever software, uses OSCDIMG, a MS command line tool, but with a GUI from Chris/git, and Assessment/Deployment kit, also from MS.

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It's not as comprehensive as manually doing things with the tools I linked earlier, but it's pretty accessible.

 

[Lewis777]

O&O Shutup 10 and maybe run this software to cleanup/customise your install to your liking.

Does it contain any viruses and improves my performance

 

[cvaldes]

Yeah it's great, especially when there's practically no performance differences in the applications you use, and no issues with support (not for another year for consumer home/pro, 2027 for LTSC, and 2032 for IoT LTSC).

For Mac, the introduction of APFS and OSX specifically designed for Apple silicon was major. Some of the performance differences between newer and older versions of OSX on the same hardware were significant and compelling reasons to upgrade.

10 to 11? It depends on whether you see the revised UI and "features" as being worthy. There's also the cost to consider regarding how much more baked in the telemetry, privacy, adverts etc are compared to 10. Most of the things people are talking about re new gaming features etc, like HAGS, directstorage etc, all been backported to 10, and work great.

As I've stated already, fingers crossed Win 11 LTSC is a solid OS like 10 LTSC, but I still think work will need to be done by the end user to get it to an acceptable level.

APFS was deployed first on iOS because of the iPhone's NAND storage. Apple finally put it on Macs by default a few years later. But I was never an early adopter of APFS. I waited until a major upgrade to convert from HFS+ to APFS. Apple periodically does major under-the-hood rewrites on important parts of its OSes without mentioning it to the end user.

As far as I can tell, there's no killer feature right now in Windows 11 that makes it a must-pick over Windows 10. But for sure more and more third-party developers are focusing on the former.

As far as the telemetry, privacy, adverts, etc. thing, it's pretty much a given that future version of W11 will have more of that crap. Everytime I install a fresh copy of Windows on a device, I spend 45-60 minutes (maybe more with W11) removing a bunch of skankware, turning off stuff, running scripts to turn off telemetry, etc. When I install macOS, I spend like 5 minutes doing that stuff.

One thing for sure when I install third-party software, I read the installer prompts very carefully because they are trying to install a lot of stuff to phone home these days. It has gotten much worse over the past year.

 

[dgianstefani]

Does it contain any viruses

No, lol.

improves my performance

Somewhat, fewer phone home crap and processes running consuming resources.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Any examples of software that works on Win 11 but not Win 10?

Well, first, I never said there is software that doesn't work on W10 but does on W11. So please, lets be clear about that and make sure we don't paraphrase comments into something that was never said.

What I said was, Microsoft and program developers are pouring resources into W11. I also said "support" is waning for W10. To "wane" in no way means it has stopped or even will stop. My comment was just an extension of the other - developers are moving resources (time and money) to W11 support. That is just a fact.

Also fact is Microsoft is trying to ensure compatibility (at least software compatibility) with programs that were designed to run on W10. That does not mean programs designed for previous versions that run in compatibility mode in W10, will be supported in W11. They may not.

And programs designed for W10 may require upgrading the software to the latest version to ensure full compatibility with W11. Point being, it is still up to the software developer to ensure their programs work with W11. Same with hardware - it is the hardware maker's responsibility to ensure drivers providing W11 support are available.

It is unreasonable to expect Microsoft will or even can if they wanted to, ensure support for 100s of 1000s of programs written for previous versions of Windows.

Hardware compatibility is and will continue to be the bigger problem. There is $0.00 return on investments in development of compatible drivers for the hardware makers to ensure W11 support. They would much rather we buy (Read: provide revenue) new printers and other hardware than keep using the legacy HW.

***

For some reason, there seems to be some who feel W10 will be around and viable forever. That makes no sense. That was not the case with any previous version of Windows, why should it be with W10?

I say again,

W10 is going away. Nothing can stop that. W11 is here to stay.

And again, the OP is asking about a brand new computer that currently has NO version of Windows on it.

"IF" this computer already had W10 on it, I would NOT be suggesting he run out and put W11 on it. After next October, that may be another story. But right now? No. In fact, I still have W10 on this computer and have no plans to upgrade to W11.

 

[ARF]

Also fact is Microsoft is trying to ensure compatibility (at least software compatibility) with programs that were designed to run on W10. That does not mean programs designed for previous versions that run in compatibility mode in W10, will be supported in W11. They may not.

And programs designed for W10 may require upgrading the software to the latest version to ensure full compatibility with W11. Point being, it is still up to the software developer to ensure their programs work with W11. Same with hardware - it is the hardware maker's responsibility to ensure drivers providing W11 support are available.

I thought that Windows 11 is only a Windows 10.1 with disabled/removed user interface goodies, a slightly different hardware scheduler, maybe because it was designed with intel's attempts in small.big CPU core configurations?
I mean Windows 11 and Windows 10 is one and the same thing. There are no compatibility issues. Every software that runs on Windows 10 will run on Windows 11 and vise versa.

To answer the OP: Windows 10. Its support is there. As far as I know even Windows 7 is still supported and receives regular updates.

 

[P4-630]

Windows 7

Just you won't be able to use Steam on it..

 

[Lewis777]

I thought that Windows 11 is only a Windows 10.1 with disabled/removed user interface goodies, a slightly different hardware scheduler, maybe because it was designed with intel's attempts in small.big CPU core configurations?
I mean Windows 11 and Windows 10 is one and the same thing. There are no compatibility issues. Every software that runs on Windows 10 will run on Windows 11 and vise versa.

To answer the OP: Windows 10. Its support is there. As far as I know even Windows 7 is still supported and receives regular updates.

Thanks, ı installed Windows 10 21H2 Enterprise LTSC.

 

[SL2]

Hello, I installed Windows 10 21H2 Enterprise LTSC and I saw that the laptop is very fast, as I said, the device is new, I will switch to windows 11 when the support is discontinued. Thank you very much, I bought a license and I started using my device now, do you have any suggestions.

Exactly where do you buy a single LTSC license?

 

[Bill_Bright]

I thought that Windows 11 is only a Windows 10.1

LOL

Actually, I think it more like W10.3 by now. That said, W7 was really Vista 2.0 and W10 was really W9, or was it W8.2? Or W8.1SE? ???

Seriously, are you trying to figure out Microsoft's naming conventions? Impossible. There is Office Outlook, Outlook Express, Outlook.com and now Outlook for Windows is pushing out Windows Calendar and Windows Mail. Then there's the old Windows Defender, the antispyware for W7, Windows Defender the antimalware for newer Windows now called Microsoft Defender, or is it really Windows Security?

Then there was File Manager changed to File Explorer then Windows Explorer and somewhere in there was Internet Explorer - until Edge replaced that but it bombed so Microsoft came out with an entirely new browser called Edge to replace the first Edge.

W10.1. Yeah right.

 

[Ruru]

I'd go for Win11 just because it's matured enough and at least the most bugs are squashed.

Right....Or even the "IoT LTSC" ,so as I mentioned before in this thread for most windows 10 users , windows 10 support ends on October 14, 2025...

Yeah, IMO it would be stupid to upgrade after 1½ years anyway, why not go for Win11 already.

 

[LabRat 891]

I'll just do a drive by, here...

Where to purchase a license for Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (21H2)?

Gamers-outlet.net offers them, and the keysite appears to have a decent reputation

I don't think MS tracks Enterprise LTSC licenses either, since those fell under their massive freebie program back in a day(when they re-attempted to get into portable market).

[snip] Heck, even the infamous chinese Subor Z, and many similar gaming devices ran Enterprise LTSC out of the box.

 

[SL2]

In case anyone missed it, the OP has already installed Edit: W10.