Need little help to OC RAM to reach 6000 MHz

[Syracedes]

Hi. I need little help to OC RAM to reach 6000 MHz. I have Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX with F30 bios update, AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and 4x GoodRam IRDM, DDR5, 16 GB, 6000MHz, CL30 (IR-6000D564L30S/32GDC) (Yes I want 4 DIMM and have 64 GB Ram) I use Pc only for Gaming. And here is my first question should I forget about 64 Gb Ram and stay only 32? Still I have posibility to return 2x16 (I have 7 days for that) Or try to OC this and reach 6000 MHz? I Use DDR5 Auto Booster (enabled) an i get stable ~5000 MHz. When I try to use EXPO PC dont boot (black screen fan working) and I have restart bios.

So I do OC by myself and set like this:
UCLK DIV1 MODE UCLK=MEMCLK
System Memory Multipiler 60
VCORE SOC 1,25 V
DDR_VDD VOLTAGE 1,350 V
DDR_VDDQ VOLTAGE 1,300 V
CPU_VDDIO VOLTAGE 1,250 V

CAS latency 30
tRCD 36
tRP 36
tRAS 48
tWR 48
tRTP 12

System start to boot but freez on step where you can hit button to reach bios. Any ideas what I should adjuste to reach 6000 MHz?

 

[tabascosauz]

Why not just return it? 2x32GB A-die and M-die is everywhere and is no different or harder to run than 2x16GB (at these speeds). Voltages look about right. You shouldn't have to use DDR5 auto booster for anything.

B650 Eagle is a low end 6 layer board and I'm not sure if that's playing a part in crippling its 4DIMM speeds.

For weird freezes that aren't obviously instability, make sure Memory Context Restore isn't causing it. Either MCR On + Powerdown On, or MCR Off + Powerdown Off.

 

[ir_cow]

4x single rank 6000 MT is possible, but I think you are over your technical overclocking abilities if Auto Boosting is a serious consideration. Probably need the SoC up to 1.3 and CPU MemIO to 1.4 for this to be stable.

Don't use auto booster. It will just cause you lots of headaches for stability. Just enable XMP/EXPO 6000 and see how stable it is. If not change the CPU voltages and check again.

But....
I would also either just buy 2x32 or 2x24, especially if you are just gaming. No point is pushing 4x16 unless you have to.

 

[P4-630]

When I try to use EXPO PC dont boot

Just buy a memory kit which has been tested with your board, check the motherboard manufacturers memory QVL.

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[oxrufiioxo]

B650 Eagle is a low end 6 layer board and I'm not sure if that's playing a part in crippling its 4DIMM speeds.

I remember when 6 layers were premium now we like 8 layers or bust.

But....
I would also either just buy 2x32 or 2x24, especially if you are just gaming. No point is pushing 4x16 unless you have to.

Does 48/64 matter for games I looked at 48GB CL6000 kits but they were 1.5x to 2x the cost of an equivalent 32GB kit so figured it was probably not worth it.


To the OP definitely stick with 2 dimms I personally have not had good luck with 4 dimms at high speeds on AM5 regardless of board. It's crazy how many people want 4 dimms becuase it looks better not becuase even if it degrades performance a bit due to need to run lower frequency typically.

Just buy a memory kit which has been tested with your board, check the motherboard manufacturers memory QVL.

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I must just be lucky I've done over 100 ryzen builds since 2017 and never looked at the QVL once and only had issues on maybe 2 of them both APUs.

 

[P4-630]

I must just be lucky I've done over 100 ryzen builds since 2017 and never looked at the QVL once and only had issues on maybe 2 of them both APUs.

Lucky you...

If it doesn't work with the random kit you bought I would look at the QVL and probably buy a kit that has been tested with your motherboard that does work at it's rated speed without issues.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Lucky you...

If it doesn't work with the random kit you bought I would look at the QVL and probably buy a kit that does work at it's rated speed without issues.

It's definitely a good practice but just doing research on a cpu/motherboard generation and it's general memory capabilities has always worked better for me.

Also the QVL is one memory sample paired with 1 cpu sample so it isn't foolproof either.

People typically only have issues when trying to push past what a typical cpu generation can handle.

 

[P4-630]

It's definitely a good practice but just doing research on a cpu/motherboard generation and it's general memory capabilities has always worked better for me.

Also the QVL is one memory sample paired with 1 cpu sample so it isn't foolproof either.

People typically only have issues when trying to push past what a typical cpu generation can handle.

Also AMD has more issues with memory than intel generally.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Also AMD has more issues with memory then intel generally.

For me that was only really true with B350/X370 after that they were comparable.

And really only corsair LP memory was an issues the majority of ram problems I dealt with was people trying to run old Corsair DDR4.

Teamforce, Gskill, Crucial have all been rock solid on every generation for me some of the super early AM4 bios limited ram to 3000 is the main thing I dealt with.

The intel advantage in my book is running random configurations or higher speeds but knowing the architecture and what it can typically due is always best pushing 2000 IF on Ryzen 5000 or 1800 on Ryzen 3000 wasn't really what I would call issues with the cpu that's just trying to run bleeding edge speeds for that particular platform.

 

[rv8000]

Running two separate 2x16 kits is asking for problems. 32gb is fine.

1.35 vdimm is kinda low for cas 30 on AM5. Leave one kit in, leave vsoc at auto, set xmp and dont touch vdimm/vddio, increase cas to 32 and see if it boots/tests.

Changing a million things at once isnt going to get you anywhere. Memory tuning/trouble shooting is a painfully slow exercise at times.

 

[Syracedes]

Why not just return it? 2x32GB A-die and M-die is everywhere and is no different or harder to run than 2x16GB (at these speeds). Voltages look about right. You shouldn't have to use DDR5 auto booster for anything.

B650 Eagle is a low end 6 layer board and I'm not sure if that's playing a part in crippling its 4DIMM speeds.

For weird freezes that aren't obviously instability, make sure Memory Context Restore isn't causing it. Either MCR On + Powerdown On, or MCR Off + Powerdown Off.

I Bought 2 kit 2x16 separately and only one kit I can return.

 

[Syracedes]

4x single rank 6000 MT is possible, but I think you are over your technical overclocking abilities if Auto Boosting is a serious consideration. Probably need the SoC up to 1.3 and CPU MemIO to 1.4 for this to be stable.

Don't use auto booster. It will just cause you lots of headaches for stability. Just enable XMP/EXPO 6000 and see how stable it is. If not change the CPU voltages and check again.

But....
I would also either just buy 2x32 or 2x24, especially if you are just gaming. No point is pushing 4x16 unless you have to.

What is funny now is more stable with this. Before that I had strange freez in some games. During stress test I have any problems.

I have some exp. because my previous computer on AM4 had 4 dice (AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite v2 Ram Crucial ballistix Black 32 gb 3600 MHz cl 16 (4x8gb)) I've achieved a stable 3600 MHz (from 2666 if I good remember). XMP didn't work. Manually I managed to do it.

 

[tabascosauz]

What is funny now is more stable with this. Before that I had strange freez in some games. During stress test I have any problems.

I have some exp. because my previous computer on AM4 had 4 dice (AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite v2 Ram Crucial ballistix Black 32 gb 3600 MHz cl 16 (4x8gb)) I've achieved a stable 3600 MHz (from 2666 if I good remember). XMP didn't work. Manually I managed to do it.

DDR4 and DDR5 are different in many ways including how layer count affects speeds, ranks vs. freq, and DIMMs vs freq. Not to mention that layer count didn't really come into play with AM4 due to practical memory freq being so weak. Your Ballistic kit was just either single rank 8Gb Rev.E or downbin 16Gb to 8Gb Rev.B., so similar dual rank per channel, but like I said DDR5 is a different animal and 4DIMM is to be avoided if possible due to the prevalence of 2 stick 64/96GB kits.

Aside from lower=better wisdom for tRFC, that AM4 experience is also not particularly relevant to working with Hynix DDR5. New voltages and voltage behaviour on AM5 as well

If you can only return one kit, you could still just sell the remaining one and look for a 2x32GB or 2x24GB kit. Rather than trying to make this clearly problematic setup work.

 

[Toothless]

I Bought 2 kit 2x16 separately and only one kit I can return.

There is no amount of overclocking that's going to get 6000 on four dimms. Should've gotten a proper kit from a proper brand in the first place.

 

[Syracedes]

DDR4 and DDR5 are different in many ways including how layer count affects speeds, ranks vs. freq, and DIMMs vs freq. Not to mention that layer count didn't really come into play with AM4 due to practical memory freq being so weak. Your Ballistic kit was just either single rank 8Gb Rev.E or downbin 16Gb to 8Gb Rev.B., so similar dual rank per channel, but like I said DDR5 is a different animal and 4DIMM is to be avoided if possible due to the prevalence of 2 stick 64/96GB kits.

If you can only return one kit, you could still just sell the remaining one and look for a 2x32GB or 2x24GB kit. Rather than trying to make this clearly problematic setup work.

So should I easy reach 6000 MHz using EXPO or XMP if I stay with 2x16? Or still Have I do this manually?

 

[tabascosauz]

So should I easy reach 6000 MHz using EXPO or XMP if I stay with 2x16? Or still Have I do this manually?

EXPO/XMP 6000 on any decent Hynix 2x16/24/32GB kit should not be much issue. Never rule out a bit of manual tweaking as all boards and kits are different, but certainly not the quandary that 4DIMM can be.

 

[ir_cow]

Does 48/64 matter for games I looked at 48GB CL6000 kits but they were 1.5x to 2x the cost of an equivalent 32GB kit so figured it was probably not worth it.

The OP made it seem like 64GB was wanted. But I would agree no point in buying over 32GB just for gaming.

So should I easy reach 6000 MHz using EXPO or XMP if I stay with 2x16? Or still Have I do this manually?

2x 16 6000 is fairly plug n play with newer BIOS revisions. Outliers exist, but this isn't a crazy high value either.

 

[Syracedes]

to sum up better stay 2x16 (6000MHz) them 4x16(5000MHz)? For now I dont have any stability issue. I have 3 option:
1. Stay with 4x16(5000MHz)
2. Try somehow reach 6000Mhz with 4x16
3. Back to 2x16, set 6000Mhz and return one kit and save some money. Will I see performace drop or increase? With this option?

 

[tabascosauz]

to sum up better stay 2x16 (6000MHz) them 4x16(5000MHz)? For now I dont have any stability issue. I have 3 option:
1. Stay with 4x16(5000MHz)
2. Try somehow reach 6000Mhz with 4x16
3. Back to 2x16, set 6000Mhz and return one kit and save some money. Will I see performace drop or increase? With this option?

Stability = passes high # of cycles in Testmem5 anta777 config / Karhu / high 4 digit % in HCI Memtest + stable in another decent memory stress test (ie. ycruncher)

If you don't have an urgent need for 64GB, just stay on 1 kit for 32GB for now. Easier to work with. There shouldn't be many games out there (except sim games) where not having 64GB is a deal-breaker.

There will be a performance difference between 5000 and 6000CL30 regardless of what the rest of your specs looks like, but it won't be huge. More importantly is stability is a bigger question on the 4DIMM setup

 

[GerKNG]

Four Dimm DDR5 should not be a thing at all.
you can be happy if you get actually stable 5200 out of it. (y-cruncher for 24 Hours, TM5 for 24 Hours, Memtest up to 1000%)
get two dimms (even 2x48GB should be fine)

 

[AsRock]

I use Pc only for Gaming

Which it's pointless having 64GB in the system, last few updates for my board have made it harder to use 4 sticks. Used to be able to bump the ram voltage to 1.37 be fore but some thing else is bugging it out on mine.

But anyways 32GB is plenty as you say just gaming so it's all a moot point.

 

[Syracedes]

I returned one kit of RAM, Reached stable 2x16(6000 MHz) using EXPO, done stability test without errors but sometimes during booting PC I have red dram light on motherboard and somethimes after booting this light stay. Everything work smoothly without freez or errors. Should I am worried about this?

 

[ir_cow]

The red light just indicates memory training I think ?

 

[Deleted member 223428]

but sometimes during booting PC I have red dram light on motherboard and somethimes after booting this light stay. Everything work smoothly without freez or error

I think it’s a Gigabyte thing. I’ve seen that happen on my x670 Aorus Elite AX. As long as it’s stable it’s probably nothing to worry about.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I think it’s a Gigabyte thing. I’ve seen that happen on my x670 Aorus Elite AX. As long as it’s stable it’s probably nothing to worry about.

I saw it for the first time on my Aorus X670E Pro X after doing a bios update to F30 only happened once though and has been fine ever since. Out of 12 Ryzen 7000 builds it's the first board I have seen it on. It was not a thing at all on F21 and I rebooted multiple times after doing the install.

Haven't had the board long enough to know if it will be an ongoing thing and this is the 5th giga board I have worked with same Gskill neo 6000 CL30 32GB on all of them just white on mine lol.

All the others were 6 layer boards I believe this one is 8 is the only difference I can think of but you'd think it would be more prevalent on the lower tier boards.