Hello, i need some suggestions of experienced builders on my first pc build.

[dhairye shekhawat]

My build is in the attachment,

There are many things which I would love to know,

I would like to know that if this build can do 3d rendering, aiml related tasks and a little bit of editing and gaming,

And can i use stock cooler only which comes with i5 12400f so that i can directly buy aio liquid cooler when my budget allows me,

And is their any issues like bottleneck or any other issue that can happen with this build maybe compatibility then please let me know,

Do i really need ddr5 ram of 4800 MHz for the tasks that i have mentioned or ddr4 3200 can work fine,

Thanks for reading all this(if you really did)

I'll be waiting

 

[Ruru]

The GPU was mediocre at best even back when it was launched, the PSU is pure crap, and the storage size is pretty low these days.

With a better PSU, it's fine for everyday tasks and lightweight gaming though.

 

[leonavis]

That is a very weak build. The CPU is by far the strongest part of it.

Where are you located? In order to give advice I'd have to understand the given prices. Is the screenshot from a website?

 

[Macro Device]

AIML needs you to get a 3060 12 GB at the very least. GTX 1650 is a dead GPU by today's standards, it's only viable for games released more than a decade ago.
Also I agree with Ruru on the PSU part of that, you should get something better. Corsair RM550 at the very least.
Stock cooler is fine for 12400F. You won't benefit from an AIO, unless you decide on a motherboard that allows BCLK overclocking of 12400F (they are both very rare and rather expensive). Or on upgrading your CPU to something more watt-happy.
DDR5 is not necessary, you won't feel any different.
And yeah, your storage is all over the place. Maybe get a used 2 TB HDD in addition to that 500 GB SSD for the time being just to make sure you have something to store your data whilst saving for an SSD.

 

[dhairye shekhawat]

That is a very weak build. The CPU is by far the strongest part of it.

Where are you located? In order to give advice I'd have to understand the given prices. Is the screenshot from a website?

India, I have low budget currently and will surely upgrade some parts such as gpu and psu,
I wanted cheapest build so I build this from scratch then asked chat gpt for compatibility.
And prices are in indian currency which is rupees.

AIML needs you to get a 3060 12 GB at the very least. GTX 1650 is a dead GPU by today's standards, it's only viable for games released more than a decade ago.
Also I agree with Ruru on the PSU part of that, you should get something better. Corsair RM550 at the very least.
Stock cooler is fine for 12400F. You won't benefit from an AIO, unless you decide on a motherboard that allows BCLK overclocking of 12400F (they are both very rare and rather expensive). Or on upgrading your CPU to something more watt-happy.
DDR5 is not necessary, you won't feel any different.
And yeah, your storage is all over the place. Maybe get a used 2 TB HDD in addition to that 500 GB SSD for the time being just to make sure you have something to store your data whilst saving for an SSD.

Well I can upgrade gpu in the near future as I will do aiml after 1 year,

Is this build ok for 3d rendering such as autocad and editing

The GMax was mediocre at best even back when it was launched, the PSU is pure crap, and the storage size is pretty low these days.

With a better PSU, it's fine for everyday tasks and lightweight gaming though.

Umm what can be good cpu in your opinion,
And I calculated total watts it was in the range of 320-400 watts min to Max respectively

I have only a total of 45000 to 55000 rupees including monitor, in American dollars it will be 550-650 dollars at max

 

[SchumannFrequency]

GTX 1650 is a dead GPU by today's standards, it's only viable for games released more than a decade ago.

In the budget <$149 segment, there is not much to be found that is much more interesting.
The GTX 1650 is about as fast on average as the RX 6400.

The GTX 1650 is not completely useless for new games in 2024/2025/2026/2027.
There are many games coming out in the next few years that are going to be playable on the GTX 1650 4GB.
Because there are many games coming out every year that have light requirements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ-sUezPwe0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgxUaE_PPM

 

[Macro Device]

In the budget <$149 segment, there is not much to be found that is much more interesting.

On the new market, sure, they killed this segment a couple generations ago. I'd grab a used RTX 2060 Super for about 20 to 40 dollars more. It supports RT, DLSS, and also has twice the VRAM so it's not as problematic in workloads. Or, if the budget can be squeezed, a 3060 12 GB.

Is this build ok for 3d rendering such as autocad and editing

It will work but it will be fairly slow. Getting yourself an RTX GPU (even a 2060) will amount to massive performance boost.

Well I can upgrade gpu in the near future as I will do aiml after 1 year,

Then you might consider getting a CPU that has integrated video and more calculating power and then buying a powerful GPU like 4070 Ti Super next year.

 

[Launcestonian]

India, I have low budget currently and will surely upgrade some parts such as gpu and psu,
I wanted cheapest build so I build this from scratch then asked chat gpt for compatibility.
And prices are in indian currency which is rupees.


Well I can upgrade gpu in the near future as I will do aiml after 1 year,

Is this build ok for 3d rendering such as autocad and editing


Umm what can be good cpu in your opinion,
And I calculated total watts it was in the range of 320-400 watts min to Max respectively

I have only a total of 45000 to 55000 rupees including monitor, in American dollars it will be 550-650 dollars at max

Taking those factors into account overall, my suggestion & this includes your current budget, go with Ryzen 5 8600G or even the 8500G, (be aware the 8600G can run PCIe 4.0x8 for a dGPU, which is comparable to 3.0x16, however 8500G only can only do 4.0x4 in the same slot) some 6000MT/S (16GB kits are cheap & even 32GB kits are only slightly more) of RAM which is more affordable these days then ever & even an A620 chipset board or a low end B650 board will suffice for the main components. You can even use the stock cooler with the 8600G, its good enough unless you OC the system, thus saving you more money for a better PSU as an example.
Going with current gen APU will negate the need for a dGPU - at least for the time being until you can afford to upgrade in the future. Pair up this 8600G with 6000MT/s RAM (16GB kits from Kingston for example) & the iGPU can really perform well, if your budget permits you can get Corsair vengeance 6400MT/s for around the same price as decent 6000MT/s ram these days, shop around there are nearly always sales on & bargains to be had, its a constantly shifting field for costs this is...
There is Samsung B die on those cheap Corsair 6400MT/s RAM kits but still with an iGPU, tightish timings in the system RAM don't matter a great deal anyway, its more the memory bandwidth that iGPUs benefit from. Also don't forget the 8000 series APUs have a dedicated NPU unit built in, ideal for AIML stuff. The only thing that could be a squeeze here with your nominated budget is a decent PSU but do not dismiss the 8000 series APUs from AMD, they are a good all rounder for your usage scenario & are competitively priced against an Intel 6 core LGA 1700 platform.

Here's some examples of shipping to India in US$ for 32GB kit of DDR5 @ 6000MT/s, great for an APU build. I'm amazed at how cheap these kits are now...

 

[Kapone33]

Taking those factors into account overall, my suggestion & this includes your current budget, go with Ryzen 5 8600G or even the 8500G, some 6000MT/S (16GB kits are cheap & even 32GB kits are only slightly more) of RAM which is more affordable these days then ever & even an A620 chipset board or a low end B650 board will suffice for the main components. You can even use the stock cooler with the 8600G, its good enough unless you OC the system, thus saving you more money for a better PSU as an example.
Going with current gen APU will negate the need for a dGPU - at least for the time being until you can afford to upgrade in the future. Pair up this 8600G with 6000MT/s RAM (16GB kits from Kingston for example) & the iGPU can really perform well, if your budget permits you can get Corsair vengeance 6400MT/s for around the same price as decent 6000MT/s ram these days, shop around there are nearly always sales on & bargains to be had, its a constantly shifting field for costs this is...
There is Samsung B die on those cheap Corsair 6400MT/s RAM kits but still with an iGPU, tightish timings in the system RAM don't matter a great deal anyway, its more the memory bandwidth that iGPUs benefit from. Also don't forget the 8000 series APUs have a dedicated NPU unit built in, ideal for AIML stuff. The only thing that could be a squeeze here with your nominated budget is a decent PSU but do not dismiss the 8000 series APUs from AMD, they are a good all rounder for your usage scenario & are competitively priced against an Intel 6 core LGA 1700 platform.

The IMC on APUs has always been better at supporting higher speeds. You can even allocate up to 16GB to the IGPU in the BIOS of most MBs. Don't forget that As Rock are the only board vendor I know that gives you 4k 120hz support on the MB HDMI port. That matters if you are looking for a monitor that has 120hz VRR/Freesync/Adaptive Sync support.

 

[Lost_Troll]

have only a total of 45000 to 55000 rupees including monitor, in American dollars it will be 550-650 dollars at max

I would go with an AM4 build with DDR4, it will save you a bit for a better graphics card and power supply.

 

[damric]

Yeah I think the smartest thing to do for this scenario is a Ryzen APU build.

Go with the Ryzen 8700G if you can afford it. It will be a beast for rendering, and the integrated graphics will be good enough for however many years until you can afford a high end graphics card.

8600G would be second choice, and 5700G third choice because they are so cheap but still pretty good. All of the APUs come with a stock cooler that will get the job done.

At least with an APU build, you can get away with a shit power supply. I would try and get as much RAM as you can for rendering. You can go for the low end motherboards, but don't get something totally trash.

 

[Launcestonian]

The IMC on APUs has always been better at supporting higher speeds. You can even allocate up to 16GB to the IGPU in the BIOS of most MBs. Don't forget that As Rock are the only board vendor I know that gives you 4k 120hz support on the MB HDMI port. That matters if you are looking for a monitor that has 120hz VRR/Freesync/Adaptive Sync support.

I know, currently experimenting with an OC on 8600G in an Asus TUF gaming B650m board, that has game enhanced RAM allocation in bios for APUs. They also have a nice Asus optimized PBO profile that works a treat on my chip. But this is only on B650 board, I don't know what options for RAM tuning will be on A620 boards considering the budget from the OP.

Yeah I think the smartest thing to do for this scenario is a Ryzen APU build.

Go with the Ryzen 8700G if you can afford it. It will be a beast for rendering, and the integrated graphics will be good enough for however many years until you can afford a high end graphics card.

8600G would be second choice, and 5700G third choice because they are so cheap but still pretty good. All of the APUs come with a stock cooler that will get the job done.

At least with an APU build, you can get away with a shit power supply. I would try and get as much RAM as you can for rendering. You can go for the low end motherboards, but don't get something totally trash.

If the OP goes with AM5 board, he will have a range of CPUs to swap around with, not just now but at least the next 2 yrs.

 

[dhairye shekhawat]

Going on ryzen setup for future upgradability is undoable due to budget reasons that's why m thinking of going with i5 12400f which can be upgraded into 13 or 14 gen i5 i7 cpus and a used rtx 3050 then upgrading it to rtx 3060 or 3070,

Can i get used parts or I shouldn't due to decreasing performance of parts or something like that?

If gpu hasn't been used in mining, I guess it should be good to work for 2-3 years considering previous user also used it for 2-3 years, right?

And using an expensive amd cpu which have integrated graphics card and later on adding dedicated gpu will surely increase overall cost of the build instead I should opt for intel i5 12400f which results in minor to no bottlenecks with gpu upto 3050 or 3060 which should be sufficient for aiml 3d autocad etc uses,

Using am5 cpus is making whole build costly and using am4 build restricts me for future upgradability so that's why I thought going for I 5 12400f build

Please correct me at anywhere

 

[dhairye shekhawat]

And i5 12400f is super affordable at the price of ₹8500 rupess only around 100-120 us dollars

 

[Harlow]

Can i get used parts or I shouldn't due to decreasing performance of parts or something like that?

In addition to brand new builds every 4 years, I frequently buy second hand parts on eBay. Most of the time they parts work OK, provided you do your homework carefully and check the feedback of the seller. If the seller has a lot of negative feedback for similar/identical items, I tend to avoid them. If the photos show signs of damage, don't buy. If the seller says "parts or repair" it's probably junk, so I don't buy. If the seller says "untested" and it's very, very cheap, I might be tempted, especially if the seller allows returns. Obviously new is best, but you can get some real bargains buying second hand.

Yes, the performance of a component can suffer, especially if it has been abused by over entusiastic overclocking or hidden ESD (Electro Static Discharge). Over the years, I have purchased more than 10 motherboards, 20 CPUs and goodness knows how many sticks of RAM, plus loads of second hand hard disks. I test them thoroughly and return any damaged or mis-sold items for a refund. eBay generally takes the side of the buyer and if the seller proves awkward, eBay takes over and issues a refund almost immediately.

Do i really need ddr5 ram of 4800 MHz for the tasks that i have mentioned or ddr4 3200 can work fine,

Remember DDR5 and DDR4 are not physically interchangeable. You must buy the correct type (DDR5 or DDR4) for the motherboard and CPU you choose. The RAM speed is only part of the equation. CPU speed and number of cores, GPU speed and VRAM size, SSD speed and capacity, etc., are all important. A good DDR4 system will beat a mediocre DDR5 system in many instances.

Is this build ok for 3d rendering such as autocad and editing

Check the software manufacturer's web site for the version(s) of the programs you intend to use. Some professional programs require a minimum hardware level and may not work if your system does not meet spec. A good example is software requiring OpenCL/GL acceleration support. If your GPU is too old, the software might refuse to install until you fit a faster graphics card, or one with more RAM. Other things to check are system RAM and GPU RAM. Again, if you drop below the minimum memory requirements on CPU or GPU, the software might not install. To solve incompatibility problems, try an older software version or buy newer hardware.

AutoCAD has fairly easy hardware requirements:
https://www.autodesk.com/support/te...articles/System-requirements-for-AutoCAD.html