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[PCGamer] Denuvo opens its own Discord server to rehabilitate its image, has to shut it down 2 days later after players flood in to bully it

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That's why I shout obscenities whenever time I walk into a store and see it has locks on the doors, security cams on the ceiling, and RF tags on all the merchandise. How dare they treat honest customers like criminals?
Except Denuvo is like adding some deep anal probing on top. They could already monitor their software licensing with a key code and they can add online components too. Denuvo is literally adding a piece of code to product you buy, and bothering you with it every time you play. I dont see retail stores knocking on my door to check whether I actually use their product proper.
 
It's like they tried to add sprinkles to the pile of shit they serve up....
Like the white stuff on top of chicken shit, it's still shit.

And such a decision to even create a roasting pit for themselves shows how "Intellegent" their management really is too.
 
It's like they tried to add sprinkles to the pile of shit they serve up....
Like the white stuff on top of chicken shit, it's still shit.

And such a decision to even create a roasting pit for themselves shows how "Intellegent" their management really is too.
More like burned at the steak
 
The fact that Denuvo devs drank their own kool-aid only to get curbstomped by reality is 10/10 internet drama.
 
Denuvo reaped what it sow'd. The amount of hate for Denuvo specifically is no surprise.
 
The reality is that when we citizens make a transaction, whether that transaction involves an exchange of money, services or nothing at all(free items given away as a promotion), that transaction is a permanent transaction as defined by MANY laws. EULA's are limited and actually restricted by those laws.
There is no law that allows you to use copyrighted material in any way you see fit. And leasing a home or auto is a "permanent transaction" ... but still for a limited period of time, with strict limitations on how you can use that property. Similarly, when you purchase a Hollywood film, you're not allowed to rebroadcast it to large audiences, whether for profit or not. Facts matter.

That is what big companies and some(not all) copyright holders would like everyone to think. It is as flawed a notion as it is morally, ethical and legally wrong.
What is legally, morally, and ethically wrong is the statist mentality that justifies theft based on your wants and desires. It's not only morally flawed; it's outright dangerous.

In the 15th Century, China was the most powerful nation on Earth, followed by the likes of the Ottoman Empire, The Holy Roman Empire, the Mughals, etc. But China believed all inventions belonged to the emperor, while the rest of the world either distrusted innovation outright, or trusted to guild "trade secrets" to guard it. Then a tiny nonentity known as England began spurring innovation by allowing those who create intellectual property to benefit from it ... a change which begat the industrial revolution, and transformed England into a world superpower: an empire upon which "the sun never sat".

Since the industrial age transformed us all from agricultural worker-drones, dozens of counter-movements have sprung up based on the premise of seizing the property of others for "the good of the people". All have ended in misery. The tenets of contract law and IP law are essential to modern society. Don't attempt to undermine them.
 
There is no law that allows you to use copyrighted material in any way you see fit. And leasing a home or auto is a "permanent transaction" ... but still for a limited period of time, with strict limitations on how you can use that property. Similarly, when you purchase a Hollywood film, you're not allowed to rebroadcast it to large audiences, whether for profit or not. Facts matter.


What is legally, morally, and ethically wrong is the statist mentality that justifies theft based on your wants and desires. It's not only morally flawed; it's outright dangerous.

In the 15th Century, China was the most powerful nation on Earth, followed by the likes of the Ottoman Empire, The Holy Roman Empire, the Mughals, etc. But China believed all inventions belonged to the emperor, while the rest of the world either distrusted innovation outright, or trusted to guild "trade secrets" to guard it. Then a tiny nonentity known as England began spurring innovation by allowing those who create intellectual property to benefit from it ... a change which begat the industrial revolution, and transformed England into a world superpower: an empire upon which "the sun never sat".

Since the industrial age transformed us all from agricultural worker-drones, dozens of counter-movements have sprung up based on the premise of seizing the property of others for "the good of the people". All have ended in misery. The tenets of contract law and IP law are essential to modern society. Don't attempt to undermine them.
Indeed. I was in college in the Napster heyday, where basically everyone was downloading GBs of music for free, with the flimsiest of justifications: "Record companies are evil," or "the artists don't get that much of a cut anyway," or "I don't have the money to buy it, so it's not a sale they would have had anyway." The record label industry responded by randomly suing people--from kids to grandmas, in an effort to curb this. It turned the industry on its head a bit and shifted toward anti-consumer for a while there, until you could start legally buying DRM-free downloadable music. Today, we can pay a subscription to play whatever we want, but we also forfeit any sort of ownership rights. If the songs disappear or get remixed, well, that's what you get. Will the game industry head this direction? In many ways, it has. A game disc is only really good as a transferable license, since you'll be downloading updates immediately after inserting the disc. Most PC games aren't transferable at all, though it's been a long time since that was even possible with the CDkey approach.

I think we're seeing a market imbalance in a mature gaming industry. Developers are dumping tons of money into a new title, but the price can only go up so much before people pass at it. It's even worse when an AAA title flops. We see it with studios getting bought, closed, or downsized. Microtransactions were proposed, but now those have been met with customer and legal scrutiny. Free to Play is another approach, but such games can be a massive money pit. I actually have some long-term concerns about the heath of the gaming industry. It feels like it's unsustainable right now, despite the billions of dollars getting passed around. It's all consolidating into a handful of really large companies that have to stay in the black. Axing an underperforming game studio doesn't mean much to them. While that sounds ruthless, anything that makes less than it consumes is unsustainable.
 
Store DRM, not game DRM.
Call and praise it all you want, still DRM. Support it if you want, that's up to the user. I won't, that's my choice.
 
Call and praise it all you want, still DRM. Support it if you want, that's up to the user. I won't, that's my choice.

Steam DRM is liter than the CD/DVD format, to my liking.
 
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Denuvo are the world champions of sucking Donkey Balls and not those little ones either they like to suck those huge hairy sweaty baked for days ones
 
deep anal probing

You will respect my authoritah!!!

I joined a Discord server like that - that requires you to verify your identity via phone number - but didn't go any further on the verification front.

That part that sucks about verifying your Discord account with a phone is that if you get banned - and there's a reasonable chance that you will, due to their biased, unreliable and obscure "Trust and Safety" team - that number is burned for life. It'll never work on a Discord account again. All it takes for that to happen is for someone to report your account - they don't actually look at any evidence of wrongdoing.
 
You will respect my authoritah!!!



That part that sucks about verifying your Discord account with a phone is that if you get banned - and there's a reasonable chance that you will, due to their biased, unreliable and obscure "Trust and Safety" team - that number is burned for life. It'll never work on a Discord account again. All it takes for that to happen is for someone to report your account - they don't actually look at any evidence of wrongdoing.
There was one I was thinking about joining but the phone number requirement to register made it a big "Nope" for me, so I didn't.
 

The entire Discord server has been put into read-only mode until Denuvo can figure out a way to stop it from being flooded with people screaming obscenities at Denuvo.

The nice weather in the UK today and the title of this article have brought me great joy on this day.

@lexluthermiester :clap:

Perhaps I will build a monument to commemorate this day, it shall be glorious!
People trolling Denuvo is to be expected. But nice weather in the UK is truly unique. I hope you make the most of it while it lasts. :)
 
People are assholes as Denuvo found out, entitled assholes that think they should get everything for free or on their terms.
 
People are assholes as Denuvo found out, entitled assholes that think they should get everything for free or on their terms.

I don't think I should get everything for free, but it's heavily preferred that I have a say on the terms - and DRM is in at least 9 out of 10 cases, detrimental first and foremost to genuine software customers.

There's no way to skirt around this; without giving into rumors like "Denuvo kills SSDs", and even being accepting of the fact that it phones home to ask for authorization to launch the software, the fact of the matter remains that its code obfuscation mechanism bloats the executable and causes performance issues even on high-spec PCs. Executables free of Denuvo have long been known to perform much better, as we've seen from games which removed it with a patch.

Denuvo is (rightfully so) shunned by the gaming community for a reason. It's not even because people just want to pirate things easily - it's really because I did not buy a Core i9 to run DRM, especially if that decision was taken by the suits.
 
People are assholes as Denuvo found out, entitled assholes that think they should get everything for free or on their terms.
Your starting to sound like you own shares in Denuvo with comments and reactions like yours we might start think you're a shill for them
 
Oh good grief really? I did not know about this. How stupid are people to be giving their phone numbers out?

Like to say kids but who knows.


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Yeah that's for the discord server bot to verify you, not the game, and is not requried to play the game, only join the discord community. The devs don't even see that number, regardless, only the antispam verification robot.

Lets at least make a casual attempt to verify our information is not in fact disinformation, ok folks?

People are assholes as Denuvo found out, entitled assholes that think they should get everything for free or on their terms.
I mean Caring1, I get what you are getting at. Intellectual property rights are not a joke. But Denuvo is hardly a DRM solution worth defending. The way it is implemented is just asinine and belongs in the same grave as StarForce, Kernel level anticheat. and similar. I say that being a former software dev. They made their own bed, so this is what is to be expected. You reap what you sow.
 
People are assholes as Denuvo found out, entitled assholes that think they should get everything for free or on their terms.
You looking for a job at Denuvo? :)

You could transplant 'people' with 'commerce' in the above sentence and it'd be just as true.

And with that... the balance is restored. Just like how piracy and DRM balance each other out. Power balance is important.

Indeed. I was in college in the Napster heyday, where basically everyone was downloading GBs of music for free, with the flimsiest of justifications: "Record companies are evil," or "the artists don't get that much of a cut anyway," or "I don't have the money to buy it, so it's not a sale they would have had anyway." The record label industry responded by randomly suing people--from kids to grandmas, in an effort to curb this. It turned the industry on its head a bit and shifted toward anti-consumer for a while there, until you could start legally buying DRM-free downloadable music. Today, we can pay a subscription to play whatever we want, but we also forfeit any sort of ownership rights. If the songs disappear or get remixed, well, that's what you get. Will the game industry head this direction? In many ways, it has. A game disc is only really good as a transferable license, since you'll be downloading updates immediately after inserting the disc. Most PC games aren't transferable at all, though it's been a long time since that was even possible with the CDkey approach.

I think we're seeing a market imbalance in a mature gaming industry. Developers are dumping tons of money into a new title, but the price can only go up so much before people pass at it. It's even worse when an AAA title flops. We see it with studios getting bought, closed, or downsized. Microtransactions were proposed, but now those have been met with customer and legal scrutiny. Free to Play is another approach, but such games can be a massive money pit. I actually have some long-term concerns about the heath of the gaming industry. It feels like it's unsustainable right now, despite the billions of dollars getting passed around. It's all consolidating into a handful of really large companies that have to stay in the black. Axing an underperforming game studio doesn't mean much to them. While that sounds ruthless, anything that makes less than it consumes is unsustainable.
'for a while'

What the music industry did was clutch their overpriced CD sales like a crying baby and alienate their customer base to reach that goal. They presented the exact same anti consumer middle finger that invasive DRM represents today. The response is the exact same as it has always been: the consumers themselves present a bigger middle finger. Let's remind each other who's serving who, again ;)

The industry only moves when it is forced to. Digital distribution for gaming also killed off most piracy on gaming, what's left isn't substantial anymore, especially as the gamer market grows YoY, the relative cost of piracy goes down. And even today, the consumer rights wrt software are absolutely horrible, so piracy will never truly die. Its for the exact same reason a thing like GoG exists.

This is just history repeats, nothing new, even prior to digital or physical media, piracy enables change.

In the exact same way, piracy today preserves legacy software. Its important, perhaps more than ever before, as commerce is keen to erase old brilliant products to 'remake them' and rewrite history with a shittier rendition of it.
 
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Poor Denuvo. Gamers are mean! Here, have a cookie.
 
I don't think I should get everything for free, but it's heavily preferred that I have a say on the terms
Why, as individuals have had since the dawn of the barter system, you have an all-powerful, unexpurgated 100% veto over the terms. You don't like the offer, don't buy the product.

What you don't have is the ability to accept the contract, purchase the product -- then change the terms.

DRM...Executables free of Denuvo have long been known to perform much better, as we've seen from games which removed it with a patch.
So? Boarding planes is much faster and simpler without having to take off your shoes and submit to an x-ray scan. Why do you think we're forced to do that regardless?

Or an even more apropros example. 75% or more of the cost of any ladder above stepladder height is the cost of the insurance the company must pay, because every time some buffoon buys a ladder and falls off it, they sue for millions -- just one of millions of examples of the tort industry drastically inflating prices. I'm not happy about it ... but I don't blame the ladder maker.

This only proves your ignorance. Not going to debate with you further.
This proves you made a false statement, then grew offended when challenged.
 
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