Will I need an PSU upgrade

[Wirko]

I don't really know what TPU is

Total power usage.

 

[hermesa]

it will do the job with ease and handles spikes better than your EVGA being it's a more modern ATX 3.0 platform. It's also a better PSU that the gigabyte one linked which is OK but nothing special

PSU are designed to meet manufacturing costs. That could translate into one year, three years, fifteen years or anything in -between depending on how much or how little the brand wants to spend on manufacturing, production quality, transportation, and user use.

What about this one ? I see that it is named as just RM850 (without X) .Anyway I choose this over the RM850x Shift series because the shift series have really bad looking cables, a flat plastic ones...

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[Sol_Badguy]

I am thinking of upgrading to RX 7900 XT

Why not get the 9070 XT when prices settle down a bit?

https://ardes.bg/product/750w-corsair-rm750x-shift-white-cp-9020273-eu-441783


isn't this one better ?

Any reason you're picking the more expensive Shift over the regular one? Does it fit better with your NZXT H6 case?

You could also look at these:
https://ardes.bg/product/1000w-be-quiet-pure-power-12-bp005eu-459016 (not modular though, perhaps that's a deal-breaker)
https://ardes.bg/product/850w-be-quiet-pure-power-12-m-gold-80-bn344-313992 (multi-rail, perhaps this is a also a deal-breaker)

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Some reviews:
be quiet! Power Zone 2 850W vs Corsair RM850x

 

[hermesa]

Why not get the 9070 XT when prices settle down a bit?

Any reason you're picking the more expensive Shift over the regular one? Does it fit better with your NZXT H6 case?

You could also look at these:
https://ardes.bg/product/1000w-be-quiet-pure-power-12-bp005eu-459016 (not modular though, perhaps that's a deal-breaker)
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Some reviews:
be quiet! Power Zone 2 850W vs Corsair RM850x

I just want to upgrade because my monitor is 165hz with OC is 180 I think and I want to synchronize it with my fps.Now I have a lot of less fps than 165 on ultra graphics in some AAA titles with my current GPU and I can't lock it to 165 with vsync.I can double the frames with AMFF but that way I loose the vsync option.Тhe other reason is that my current GPU is ranked as 1440p, yeah 1440p with 60fps - maybe.So if I want higher Frame rates - then I guess I will have to choose some higher end GPU,Since i don't have money to get my hands on 7900xtx I will go with only the XT version.The other reason is that the games I play like Squad and HLL are very poorly optimized, and I think that better hardware will give me the frames that I seek for. If I wait too much for prices to settle down the time that I would upgrade over something greater will come.And the next thing I will upgrade to will be probably a new platform AM5/AM6 . Honestly I choose now the RM850(non-x ,non shift) version because the good sleeved cables and I don't really need the features that the Shift series gives me. I just need something to handle my PC build , not going to OC or smh...Sure the 1000W PSU you gave me is sure a great choice , but I don't know man - 1000W psu that costs as same as a 750/850W doesn't sounds to me wise. Am I desperate to upgrade ? - No. I just want to improve my gameplay smoothness. I went from 5600x and 7700XT to 5800X3D with 7700XT , next step is the PSU and better GPU , as far as I see the 7900Xt is 42% better than the 7700XT that I got - think it's fair to go for it. I would never be able to spend 4 000 BGN or 2k $ on the newest GPU neither I need it, but yeah - still I need something decent.

I researched now , and it turns out that the RM850 what I am aiming for is with taiwaneese capacitors and not japaneese ones - which is worse. Will it be enough and will it be reliable to choose the RM850 non X version in my case? I also like the aesthetics of it because of the cables over the X Shift version

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оr the RM850 non-X ? Which is best for my situation ? Keep in mind that I want to skip the black PSUs because of the cables, I can live with flat white cables if that's the cost of a better capacitors, so the shift series is still an option.

 

[Macro Device]

with taiwaneese capacitors and not japaneese ones - which is worse

Nah, this doesn't matter. They're the same quality these days.

 

[dirtyferret]

оr the RM850 non-X ? Which is best for my situation ?

RM850 not only uses eiltes on the primary but also cheaper caps on the secondary side as well as a cheaper fan. Won't handle spikes as well. All in all it's a fine PSU made with compromises on an older platform that has been replaced (there is an older RM version that comes with a gold "RM" label as opposed to the 2019 version in all black) . Also, you linked an asrock psu not the RM850.

RM850x Shift series because the shift series have really bad looking cables, a flat plastic ones...

not sure why flat are "bad looking" considering you probably won't see them but the non-shift RMx has individually sleeved cables

 

[dgianstefani]

For Squad 9800X3D makes more sense than buying a slightly better last gen AMD GPU and having to replace your PSU.

 

[bonehead123]

"If ya wanna play, then ya gotzta pay"

Translation:

Get a sufficiently powerful psu, cause havin it and not needin it is way better than needin it & not havin it, within reason, of course....hahahaha

 

[Ruru]

Most likely not. AFAIK that unit can give more than its rated wattage with a little lower efficiency

I mean, I have its 750W big brother and I wouldn't be worried until I'd put a HEDT platform with a 7900 XTX or something.

For Squad 9800X3D makes more sense than buying a slightly better last gen AMD GPU and having to replace your PSU.

But it's not worth it for everyone. For example for me, I play at 4K and never seen my 5800X struggling, it's my GPU which holds me back.

 

[hermesa]

For Squad 9800X3D makes more sense than buying a slightly better last gen AMD GPU and having to replace your PSU.

Sure , but its AM5 , I have to upgrade the whole platform if I want 9800X3D , and 9800X3D ain't cheap at all either I will stick to AM4 for now and upgraded to 5800X3D just months ago ,so yeah - i will stay on it for couple of years more.

RM850 not only uses eiltes on the primary but also cheaper caps on the secondary side as well as a cheaper fan. Won't handle spikes as well. All in all it's a fine PSU made with compromises on an older platform that has been replaced (there is an older RM version that comes with a gold "RM" label as opposed to the 2019 version in all black) . Also, you linked an asrock psu not the RM850.


not sure why flat are "bad looking" considering you probably won't see them but the non-shift RMx has individually sleeved cables

Yes ,I have to choose between the non x RM850(white) , the asrock one and the shift one.Guess I will have to go with the shift one except the Asrock doesn't cover my needs.I don't want to make compromises for the PSU because its the heart of the PC.Seems like it won't gonna be the RM850 since it's not reliable... The difference between Asrock PSU and the Shift one are 20BGN (10$)

 

[dgianstefani]

Sure , but its AM5 , I have to upgrade the whole platform if I want 9800X3D , and 9800X3D ain't cheap at all either I will stick to AM4 for now and upgraded to 5800X3D just months ago ,so yeah - i will stay on it for couple of years more.

Same price range as a 7900XT which will only give you marginal gains.

 

[Frick]

Same price range as a 7900XT which will only give you marginal gains.

For that one game maybe, but for the vast majority of games going from a 7700XT to a 7900XT is a pretty significant upgrade.

 

[dgianstefani]

For that one game maybe, but for the vast majority of games going from a 7700XT to a 7900XT is a pretty significant upgrade.

If that's the game he "mostly" plays, that's what matters.

He's not GPU limited, so he'll get exactly nothing out of a GPU upgrade for the main game he plays.

Similar situation to Tarkov, horribly optimized CPU limited game. Can be maxed out on a 3060.

 

[hermesa]

If that's the game he "mostly" plays, that's what matters.

He's not GPU limited, so he'll get exactly nothing out of a GPU upgrade for the main game he plays.

Similar situation to Tarkov, horribly optimized CPU limited game. Can be maxed out on a 3060.

I have a friend with 7900XT and 5800X3D , he gets a lot more fps than I do on Squad and HLL with 7900XT... Ofc I don't expect huge improvements , but at least to reach that 165fps for the 165hz monitor that I have without the need of the fake frame generation.My pc is kinda midranger so I don't expect much from it. And buying new mobo+CPU+ram+PSU+GPU is much more than buying only 7900XT +PSU , the CPU that will worth upgrading from 5800X3D costs as much as this GPU I am willing to buy now , and when you add decent motherboard and ddr5 RGB kit - the price is much more than 2000 BGN(1000$). It will be nonsense to buy CPU RAM and new Mobo platform without new GPU...So for now my best option is to stay on AM4 and trying to take the most out of it until I can.

 

[dgianstefani]

I have a friend with 7900XT and 5800X3D , he gets a lot more fps than I do on Squad and HLL with 7900XT... Ofc I don't expect huge improvements , but at least to reach that 165fps for the 165hz monitor that I have without the need of the fake frame generation

Open Squad and tell us your GPU % utilization, that will settle it.

 

[hermesa]

Open Squad and tell us your GPU % utilization, that will settle it.

99% GPU utilization , cpu is barely 20-30-40%. On every game I play the GPU is always at 99-100%

 

[dgianstefani]

99% utilization , cpu is barely 20-30-40%

I'd still recommend a 9070 or a 5070 over a 7900XT. Not much point upgrading within the same generation since you're forced to buy new PSU too. Pre FSR 4 sucks and Squad is moving to UE5 so they'll be using more RT.

20-40% CPU utilization just means the game is only using 2-4 cores BTW.

 

[hermesa]

I'd still recommend a 9070 over a 7900XT. Not much point upgrading within the same generation since you're forced to buy new PSU too. Pre FSR 4 sucks and Squad is moving to UE5 so they'll be using more RT.

20-40% CPU utilization just means the game is only using 2-4 cores BTW.

Yep , it's 200BGN more expensive than the 7900XT , I really can't do bettter than 1500 for GPU because I have to spend the rest for the PSU.
here it is but yeah, money talks here ...

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I don't really prefer just 9070 if it's not the 9070XT , and I prefer white GPU because my build is white-themed

 

[dgianstefani]

Yep , it's 200BGN more expensive than the 7900XT , I really can't do bettter than 1500 for GPU because I have to spend the rest for the PSU.
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You don't need to spend the rest for the PSU if the GPU you buy works with your current PSU, that's the point.

Look at the difference.

 

[hermesa]

You don't need to spend the rest for the PSU if the GPU you buy works with your current PSU, that's the point.

The problem is that the PSU wont' work even with a 7900XT ,what else for the 9070/9070XT ... It's EVGA 650W gold , in any case I will have to upgrade the PSU as well

 

[dgianstefani]

The problem is that the PSU wont' work even with a 7900XT ,what else for the 9070/9070XT ... It's EVGA 650W gold , in any case I will have to upgrade the PSU as well

No, you won't.

The 9070 uses 100 W less than the 7900XT, do you understand?

Uses less power than your current card. Look at the chart.

Faster in the ways that matter too.

 

[hermesa]

No, you won't.

The 9070 uses 100 W less than the 7900XT, do you understand?

Uses less power than your current card. Look at the chart.

Sure , but the 9070 is kinda meh...and it's 16GB

 

[dgianstefani]

Sure , but the 9070 is kinda meh...and it's 16GB

Whatever dude.

It's clear you care about things that don't matter in testing, e.g the colour white, or 4 GB VRAM extra on a card that's still slower.

Instead of a card that uses 100 W less, doesn't require PSU upgrade, has FSR 4, and is ~20% faster than an XTX in RT, let alone XT, and as fast as XT in raster, you're going for the option with slightly more VRAM, that doesn't make a difference in games.

 

[Frick]

Sure , but the 9070 is kinda meh...and it's 16GB

16GB is fine. If you're going to keep the card you buy for years I'd say the 9070 is the better buy.

I'd still recommend a 9070 or a 5070 over a 7900XT. Not much point upgrading within the same generation since you're forced to buy new PSU too. Pre FSR 4 sucks and Squad is moving to UE5 so they'll be using more RT.

I would have agreed with you but FSR is fine in game.

 

[hermesa]

Whatever dude.

It's clear you care about things that don't matter in testing, e.g the colour white, or 4 GB VRAM extra on a card that's still slower.

Instead of a card that uses 100 W less, doesn't require PSU upgrade, has FSR 4, and is ~20% faster than an XTX in RT, let alone XT, and as fast as XT in raster, you're going for the option with slightly more VRAM, that doesn't make a difference in games.

When I bought the 7700XT last year I tought that I will be good with VRAM and everything because back then I jumped from 1070Ti to 7700XT, everything was flowers and roses until I saw that Indiana Jones and The Great circle VRAM requirements - my jaw dropped and felt kinda sad that I just bought a GPU that is already on the limit to play the newest game of the year(2024) with a GPU from (2023).At least I will have some piece of mind having more VRAM.I somehow want some futureproofing with atleast having some more VRAM on the table. You see what is happening - every year new games becoming more demanding as of VRAM and it will become more and more demanging faster than before - so having more VRAM is definitelty not bad. I checked the 9070 vs 7900XT and yeah - its almost the same performance.Do I use the RT settings? No. Games like squad should be played on the lowest possible settings because the spotting of enemies is crucial in order to have advantage over your opponents. For example in HLL when I turn on the epic settings - I see nothing but good environment ,yeah - beautifull picture and quality - but when you get killed everytime and you don't even see where your enemy is - it's frustrating.So yeah , these games should be played on the lowest possible settings you can. I don't really use RT even in single player AAA games,it just makes your fps crap and it doesn't worth the better picture quality over the worse smoothness of the game. I don't do testing , but I do care about raw performance in real world environment and gaming. I don't even know what RT version my 7700XT have.Tried once to run the Cyberpunk and some other games with RT on - the fps is terrible ,something like 40-50. Why would I drop from 70-80-90 playable fps on a game to a 30-40-50fps where the game is literally lagging for some better quality picture ? It just doesn't worth it . I don't know , maybe if I get 4090 or some better GPU's that can handle RT on with playable fps then it would be worth playing with RT on , if I am wrong correct me - i don't want to argue but to get the best option for me and my aims in gaming.

16GB is fine. If you're going to keep the card you buy for years I'd say the 9070 is the better buy.


I would have agreed with you but FSR is fine in game.

I will double check too,sounds wise to buy the 9070 ,tho I am not sure. I still remember the GTX 1660 which is much more power efficient than for example 1070Ti but it's 40% worse.Yet here that is not the case but since then I don't want to look at power effecient hardware parts - somehow I like the power hungry components more and I believe in them more That's my conclusions but I will surely check the gaming test etc. After all I need raw performance , not features that I don't use. The problem here is that I can't find any gaming benchmarks on Squad with either the 9070 or the 7900XT and I can't do a fair comparison ,even if there were some then probabbly the benchmarks wouldn't be with the CPU that I have.