Sony Increases the PS5 Pricing in EMEA and ANZ by Around 25 Percent

[A Computer Guy]

We know who we should be thanking for this.

That darn Putin always causing trouble that guy.

 

[Hecate91]

they aren't made in the US, and i can buy used and not support countries that want to invade other countries. I'm just being coherent and doing the same as i did for Russia.

My point was Intel,AMD, and Nvidia are US companies.
I'm not going to get into politics, but this thread already has since page 1.

 

[Bomby569]

My point was Intel,AMD, and Nvidia are US companies.
I'm not going to get into politics, but this thread already has since page 1.

true, they get most of the money and there are things you can't escape from, but it's a very small percentage

 

[A Computer Guy]

Everyone is mad about temporary tariffs .

And yet the Trump fans think the US is subsidizing the rest of the world, what an effin joke

The US was subsidizing the world with rainbow magic (at least in the prior admin) that nobody wanted and nobody asked for so yes the US was subsidizing the rest of the world. If only governments realized they could have slapped some tariffs on that to pump more money out of the US taxpayer...well they missed the boat on that one.

But in all seriousness all of this tariff business is for one purpose...renegotiation. The US has typically been really poor at business negotiation to the detriment of it's own economic facilities. Just let the man cook for a moment and let's see if something good can come out of it for everybody.

 

[Bomby569]

But in all seriousness all of this tariff business is for one purpose...renegotiation. The US has typically been really poor at business negotiation to the detriment of it's own economic facilities. Just let the man cook for a moment and let's see if something good can come out of it for everybody.

The last times the US come up with something similar we had the great recession.
The last time the US wanted to stop a rival country from becoming richer than they were, Japan entered a decades long stagnation period.

I'm sure we'll all be drinking pina coladas by the beach, counting our money, when this is over.

 

[A Computer Guy]

The US is an extremely consumerist nation.

I agree and it's not really a good or healthy place to be economically. Being more balanced would solve a lot of problems within the country. Not everyone can learn-to-code nor wants to.

 

[R0H1T]

The US has typically been really poor at business negotiation to the detriment of it's own economic facilities.

That's not remotely true, probably with the exception of China and maybe Israel(?) at best. The issue as has been pointed out so many times, ad infinitum, is that business interests in the US have prioritized profits over pretty much everything else especially humans! Now it's not like other companies in the rest of the world don't do that but very rarely do you see such insanely strong support for profit making private, or public traded, companies like you see in the US over their own govt

Not to mention probably the 3 biggest importers of "Chinese" goods are ~ Apple, Walmart, Amazon in no particular order. And let's not forget my freedumb

 

[ZeDestructor]

You think it's possible to accurately control a border of the size and complication of the US north and south borders to 100%? There are loads of really small border crossing in the North too. You can walk across in many places. I'm sure loads of freight is inaccurately declared in and out all the time, people have been flowing over the southern border by the thousand as well. PS5 shipments would be way easier than that...

Then there's stuff coming in via other ports, small planes, boats and the rest. How do you think narcotics enter the US? If you make a huge price difference in electronics between these regions, they'll be massively smuggled as well. Prohibition encountered similar to the above.

And pray tell, why exactly do we non-US folks have to pay for the US' inability to monitor their borders?

 

[A Computer Guy]

That's not remotely true, probably with the exception of China and maybe Israel(?) at best. The issue as has been pointed out so many times, ad infinitum, is that business interests in the US have prioritized profits over pretty much everything else especially humans! Now it's not like other companies in the rest of the world don't do that but very rarely do you see such insanely strong support for profit making private, or public traded, companies like you see in the US over their own govt

If you want something done private, or public traded, companies is the way to get something done. The gov't contracts work out, it doesn't do the work itself.

Not to mention probably the 3 biggest importers of "Chinese" goods are ~ Apple, Walmart, Amazon in no particular order. And let's not forget my freedumb

Business interests are Global Corporates based in the US not US Government although it's fair to say they often scratch each others backs at the determent of US workers.

And pray tell, why exactly do we non-US folks have to pay for the US' inability to monitor their borders?

The border problem is just a big piece in a larger puzzle. Tariffs are just a small piece of the larger puzzle, barely an inconvenience. When the US economy collapses from hyper consumerism while also being unable to produce anything except OnlyFans you will eat nothing and be happy.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I don't know about you, but I would call this fraud and abuse. The euro is gaining strength against the dollar, not weakening, oil used for transportation is now very cheap, consoles are not made in the US nor is Sony American.
So what kind of insane justification can they use now?

Greed. It's always greed. They can use the excuse of "muh tariffs" to jack up everybody's prices.

Now watch, I predict that despite these tariffs Sony will report record profits. I wonder how that happened......

 

[R0H1T]

The gov't contracts work out, it doesn't do the work itself.

The govts have been doing many of these jobs for well over a millennia, the biggest difference between public/private works is that the latter is almost always squarely aimed for profit & not necessarily efficiency ~ which I assume was your point?

Business interests are Global Corporates based in the US not US Government although it's fair to say they often scratch each others backs at the determent of US workers.

Sure but most of the big ones started in the US & had a lot of US govt backing. If the US wasn't there to make the case for them in places like India the likes of Google, MS, Amazon, Walmart, Apple wouldn't be as big here either. You seem to vastly underestimate the role of govts in trade deals, although it's not like many of us don't reap their benefits but then we also have basket cases like ~

Whistleblower tells Congress Facebook worked with China on censorship and data access

Sarah Wynn-Williams, a former director at Meta, delivered a searing testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee this week, accusing the tech giant of compromising American values and...

www.techspot.com

Or if you really want to go dark/dystopian ~

Bhopal disaster | Causes, Effects, Facts, & History | Britannica

Bhopal disaster, chemical leak in 1984 in the city of Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh state, India, during which about 45 tons of methyl isocyanate escaped from an insecticide plant. Tens of thousands of people were killed, some half a million others suffered maladies, and the site remained contaminated...

www.britannica.com

In which case the US shielded their own, over what was the right thing to do!

 

[Vayra86]

I don't know about you, but I would call this fraud and abuse. The euro is gaining strength against the dollar, not weakening, oil used for transportation is now very cheap, consoles are not made in the US nor is Sony American.
So what kind of insane justification can they use now?

Looks to me like they just want to sell the Pro more.

Or its that weird Sony logic where you ask PC gamers to get a PSN account or no sale. You know, make it more expensive to improve its perceived value or something divine. The best business is no business! Quite fitting of the current logic of 2025 don't you say?

 

[Scattergrunt]

I don't know about you, but I would call this fraud and abuse. The euro is gaining strength against the dollar, not weakening, oil used for transportation is now very cheap, consoles are not made in the US nor is Sony American.
So what kind of insane justification can they use now?

It's a god damn mystery man. I'm praying I fall asleep and magically wake up after this term is over.

 

[Vayra86]

If you want something done private, or public traded, companies is the way to get something done. The gov't contracts work out, it doesn't do the work itself.

Business interests are Global Corporates based in the US not US Government although it's fair to say they often scratch each others backs at the determent of US workers.

The border problem is just a big piece in a larger puzzle. Tariffs are just a small piece of the larger puzzle, barely an inconvenience. When the US economy collapses from hyper consumerism while also being unable to produce anything except OnlyFans you will eat nothing and be happy.

Hyper consumerism is the problem now and the US got all the bad deals? So we go for the guy that says drill baby drill and discounts climate change and the very movements that say 'consume less'? Like most things surrounding the Orange Boy, your story doesn't check out in the slightest. You're just repeating the stories you heard. Yes. The US has problems. Going back to the past isn't going to fix them though. The bottom line is, our labor is more expensive than it is elsewhere - the EU has a similar issue. But the EU has redirected to stuff like the energy transition, sustainability targets, etc. We need to sell our higher labor costs not by going back to the past, but by offering added value. That's how commerce has always worked, and how we've managed to progress. I won't say we've figured it all out over here, on the contrary, but isolationism in the current day and age is really just fear of the unknown, despite the knowledge continuing on the old path is a dead end - with an ever increasing price tag.

What's really happening though is that this whole tariff ordeal is a great way to make a lot of people involved in it, very rich. If you are really under the spell its more than that, you've not been paying attention. Your life is just going to get more expensive and you're going to put yourself further behind against a world that does understand change requires progress. And yes, change is hard, it means throwing away what you thought was true and exchanging it for something new. And it leads a lot of people to pretty crazy shit and completely twisted logic, because we're stubborn, or stupid.

 

[A Computer Guy]

The govts have been doing many of these jobs for well over a millennia, the biggest difference between public/private works is that the latter is almost always squarely aimed for profit & not necessarily efficiency ~ which I assume was your point?

I suppose my thought process was focusing on that government is often inefficient/incompetent except when it comes to moving money around and it also doesn't produce it's own solar panels for example but it will run the department of motor vehicles and such agency's.

Hyper consumerism is the problem now and the US got all the bad deals?

Hype consumerism is an overarching economic/behavioral problem regardless of price.

So we go for the guy that says drill baby drill and discounts climate change and the very movements that say 'consume less'?

Correction climate change movements say consume less but regulatory action says pay more to offset your consumption and/or emission while maybe or maybe not the money of that is doing something substantial to actually improve the climate while profiteering.

Like most things surrounding the Orange Boy, your story doesn't check out in the slightest.

Look you have to give me some leeway to write something potentially stupid or I won't be able to fit in here and people might actually take me seriously sometimes.

You're just repeating the stories you heard. Yes. The US has problems. Going back to the past isn't going to fix them though. The bottom line is, our labor is more expensive than it is elsewhere - the EU has a similar issue. But the EU has redirected to stuff like the energy transition, sustainability targets, etc. We need to sell our higher labor costs not by going back to the past, but by offering added value. That's how commerce has always worked, and how we've managed to progress. I won't say we've figured it all out over here, on the contrary, but isolationism in the current day and age is really just fear of the unknown, despite the knowledge continuing on the old path is a dead end - with an ever increasing price tag.

Big corporate strategy for many years has been to outsource to avoid US labor costs. The bottom line is if you can't bring down US labor costs US workers can't be competitive globally in a global market. Tariffs aren't going to fix that problem and added value isn't either unless it proves less costly in the long term and corporate sees it that way. Theoretically if the labor force pays less for goods services as a whole they can proportionally be paid less and become competitive, but I'm not about to suggest that is anybody's actual economic strategy.

 

[dlgh7]

I don't buy the whole tariff argument. There is something fishy about this. Especially when two regions only raise the price of the Digital Only version bringing it closer in price to a more expensive version to make.

They do this while also lowering the price of the stand alone Blu-ray drive. It is a bit peculiar.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I don't buy the whole tariff argument. There is something fishy about this. Especially when two regions only raise the price of the Digital Only version bringing it closer in price to a more expensive version to make.

Where in Sony's statement do you see them talking about tariffs? The company mentions a challenging economic environment related to inflation and fluctuating exchange rates. As I mentioned earlier, the Japanese Yen has been suffering for a few years now and inflation in Japan hasn't settled down, which suggests this might be a Japan problem, which means Sony has to increase the retail price of more things, as it's too costly for them to import foreign components, as they do business in Yen.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I don't buy the whole tariff argument. There is something fishy about this. Especially when two regions only raise the price of the Digital Only version bringing it closer in price to a more expensive version to make.

They do this while also lowering the price of the stand alone Blu-ray drive. It is a bit peculiar.

It's definitely not tariffs. Remember Nintendo admitting " our higher price didn't factor tariffs"?

They just want more money.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

All I can say to Sony is F off. I'm not buying a single product from your brand anymore. Europeans are not gonna pay for The Orange One's crazy tariff policies. Let US consumer pay for their crazy election choice not us.

 

[Bomby569]

Where in Sony's statement do you see them talking about tariffs? The company mentions a challenging economic environment related to inflation and fluctuating exchange rates. As I mentioned earlier, the Japanese Yen has been suffering for a few years now and inflation in Japan hasn't settled down, which suggests this might be a Japan problem, which means Sony has to increase the retail price of more things, as it's too costly for them to import foreign components, as they do business in Yen.

the Switch is made in China, the main components are also made outside of Japan (motherboard, screen, apu) not sure what importing foreign components to Japan has to do with this. The rice they eat?
Most consoles don't even set foot in Japan.

 

[KLMR]

This is Sony protecting US consumers from price rises at home by making everyone else subsidise them.

This.

 

[Scattergrunt]

Except it's being levied on the exporting nation, but yes, it's a protectionist tax that is meant to reduce import of certain goods from a specific nation or a few nations.
In this case, it's being used in a way that no-one has ever seen before and that's why the stock markets went into meltdown mode last week.

I wouldn't say no one has ever seen it before.. He (trump) claims that he's basing it off tariff practices from I believe 20th century practices the US partaken in, particularly around 1888. Whether or not there's some actual merit (or genuine) comparison, I don't know for sure, but I think he's been quoted on that before. I don't feel like bringing it up though.

This.

And even I, can admit, that this whole debacle with tariffs, is complete bullshit. Because we (and I do mean WE) gotta 'suffer a little bit' for the best of a nation that in reality is less free than some other countries on earth. Lol. And now it's everyone's problem? God, man. Makes me facepalm.

 

[Bomby569]

And even I, can admit, that this whole debacle with tariffs, is complete bullshit. Because we (and I do mean WE) gotta 'suffer a little bit' for the best of a nation that in reality is less free than some other countries on earth. Lol. And now it's everyone's problem? God, man. Makes me facepalm.

the problem is how you guys do things, not what you do. Everyone would negotiate because you guys have a problem with debt. But this was not the way. It's also weird that none of this was a problem and you were doing fine 3 months ago, go figure.
And making someone else pay will just make things worst, I'm boycotting everything US.

 

[Scattergrunt]

the problem is how you guys do things, not what you do. Everyone would negotiate because you guys have a problem with debt. But this was not the way. It's also weird that none of this was a problem and you were doing fine 3 months ago, go figure.

I still cannot get over the fact the guy refused to negotiate on deals HE SIGNED himself. We've had other problems at home that aren't economically related because of him though, though not nearly as directly.

And making someone else pay will just make things worst, I'm boycotting everything US.

As long as you understand that not everyone in this country is complacent with it, then sure. We can both agree this whole debacle is BS.

 

[Raiden85]

Why should we the UK and other countries suffer because of that stupid orangutan running the country. Leave all other countries alone and increase the US price by 100%. They voted for this idiot, let them suffer the consequences.