5060 Ti 8GB DOA

[wolf]

I think 32g is the bare minimum. Modded Skyrim at 8k uses more than 24.

You know, people trying to force their personal needs over everyone elses is a sight to behold..

If that's the case then it would fit one of my regular bugbears, people stating things as if they should be a universal truth but in reality it's just a personal want/desire/need.

 

[Rover4444]

Just a clarifying question, do you think no new 8GB GPU should be produced now, no matter the price and relative GPU performance?

No, but actually yes. No, because if it's faster than the 1080 Ti or 3060 then it should come with the same amount of VRAM or higher. If not, then it's okay to have less. Yes, because practically every single release from the past two generations of GPUs was faster than the 1080 Ti and 3060.

I think 32g is the bare minimum. Modded Skyrim at 8k uses more than 24.

You know, people trying to force their personal needs over everyone elses is a sight to behold..

You will get 32GB of VRAM for under $400 and you will be HAPPY!

 

[Sunny and 75]

Oh yeah, this conversation is often so centred around textures that I forget all of the other things VRAM is good for. Intel's B580 should have been the start of a new standard.

What's more, the 3070 and the 6800 are both about as fast as the 5060 is now. However, 6800 will still survive this next generation thanks to its 16GB headroom whilst 3070 users are probably looking to upgrade.

I'm with you! So glad Intel has entered the fray!

Devs know this.

More like devils than developers

 

[Scattergrunt]

What's more, the 3070 and the 6800 are both about as fast as the 5060 is now. However, 6800 will still survive this next generation thanks to its 16GB headroom whilst 3070 users are probably looking to upgrade.

3070 users aren't looking to upgrade cause of VRAM buffer *yet* (it will come eventually, writing is on the wall), but I will say that the 6800 will definitely last a fair bit longer. I was planning on buying a RX 6800 and OCing it actually, funnily enough, because I need more VRAM for what I plan on working with on my computer.

If that's the case then it would fit one of my regular bugbears, people stating things as if they should be a universal truth but in reality it's just a personal want/desire/need.

Too many people tend to assume that some things are 'truths' because they're so hammered into their opinions too that they just take it as the truth because its what makes sense to them. Like some form of confirmation bias; Opinionated Confirmation Bias? I wouldn't know the term to describe it. But I've seen it happen many times in this forum. Been a victim of it too.

We (enthusiasts) desire affordable 8GB gpu's & more VRAM for GPU's targeting 1080p high / ultra. But that isn't necessarily a necessity right now. Most people are still fine with 8GB for now. I think that'll change, and I'll certainly be one of the first people to say something when my 2080S finally begins to meet its limits due to VRAM (because its still a nice, 1080p card that I got for dirt cheap compared to buying a brand new 4060 at the time.)

 

[dirtyferret]

Your response was to someone claiming that the xx60 ti offerings this generation sucked, and were basically garbage.

The retort back was that you asked when the xx60ti version was the last card in a generation...well after the xx60 non-ti was confirmed by Nvidia. You then died on the hill of "well, I said ti version so because there's a non-ti version you're wrong."

you seem to be having a mental challenge on a conversation that is only occurring in your own head. I proved you wrong with facts, I understand you are embarrassed due to your lack of knowledge on the subject. I repeat
"The question is "name one Nvidia series where the the X060ti was the last card in the series"
You answered "When was the last series where the xx60 series had a ti release before the base model released"
you were wrong and pivoted the question so you could pretend to save face. That's pathetic but hey it kind of suits you does it not? That's a rhetorical question. That means a question posed not to elicit a response but to make a statement or a point. The answer is self-evident. End of conversation but by all means you continue it in your own head.

 

[Zathrontria]

I think 32g is the bare minimum. Modded Skyrim at 8k uses more than 24.

You know, people trying to force their personal needs over everyone elses is a sight to behold..

Which comes to head with that, well, at some point it's probably just plain inefficient usage due to the game in question and things being "bolted on" (modded), considering that later games on the same/similar engine (Fallout 4/Starfield) does a lot more with less usage, or for the matter, newer games.

If everything was designed around the worst case scenario (a heavily modded inefficient/old game at extreme resolution) then I'd suspect VRAM capacity will basically go to the moon

 

[Sunny and 75]

VRAM capacity will basically go to the moon

Not necessarily.

 

[tugrul_LordOfDrinks]

Maybe its time for a procedurally generated textures to save memory.

 

[W1zzard]

Maybe its time for a procedurally generated textures to save memory.

Yup, Blackwell supports this through the Cooperative Vectors DirectX API

 

[Sunny and 75]

Cooperative Vectors DirectX API

We'll see the industry adoption rate of that one.

Spoiler

It may not be related, however, DirectStorage adoption rate didn't go so well

 

[W1zzard]

We'll see the industry adoption rate of that one.

Yeah it's zero so far, and I don't think it'll take off unless consoles have it, which tells you how important PC gaming is to studios

 

[Sunny and 75]

unless consoles have it

It has always been like this.

They (game devs) aim for the majority

 

[lexluthermiester]

which tells you how important PC gaming is to studios

Which is very saddening. I miss the days when PC gaming was the premium and standard that everyone aim for and the consoles got the ports..

 

[Macro Device]

I miss the days when PC gaming was the premium

Nah, everything was expensive and only lasted a couple gens before going completely obsolete. Today you shell out a couple grand and have a PC that'll do whatever for a very long time.

 

[iameatingjam]

Not necessarily.

If the only game was heavily modded skyrim.... there wouldn't be much choice, lol.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Nah, everything was expensive and only lasted a couple gens before going completely obsolete. Today you shell out a couple grand and have a PC that'll do whatever for a very long time.

I'm in my 50's and was there for the dawn of video gaming & PC gaming and remember it all very well. While there is truth to what you say, there have always been budget and mid-tier market offerings.

If the only game was heavily modded skyrim.... there wouldn't be much choice, lol.

That's another exception, not the rule. And to be fair, as has been said elsewhere, turning a few settings down will fix that problem easily.

 

[Frick]

Which is very saddening. I miss the days when PC gaming was the premium and standard that everyone aim for and the consoles got the ports..

That was never very common (I think). And define "premium". The console market has always been bigger than the gaming PC market, and historically the markets have been different. The idea that you play the same games on PCs and consoles are modern, and I can't recall an instance in time when the console market was influenced by the PC gaming market. Not significantly anyway.

Nah, everything was expensive and only lasted a couple gens before going completely obsolete. Today you shell out a couple grand and have a PC that'll do whatever for a very long time.

That depends a bit on which specific time you're talking about. Early/mid 90's maybe, but I've been a PC gamer throughout my life who has also been poor through most of my life and I always managed to scrounge together gaming capable parts on very little money.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That was never very common (I think). And define "premium". The console market has always been bigger than the gaming PC market, and historically the markets have been different.

I'm going to just say that I disagree and leave it there.

 

[Frick]

I'm going to just say that I disagree and leave it there.

Why? What are you disagreeing with?

 

[_roman_]

That doom test from today paints a very good picutre for the 5060ti 8GB version.

 

[Onasi]

The idea that you play the same games on PCs and consoles are modern, and I can't recall an instance in time when the console market was influenced by the PC gaming market. Not significantly anyway.

True for the first one, but as for the second - nah, the influence is massive. The obvious one is, of course, the FPS genre that had its start on the PC and became one of the cornerstones of modern console gaming. Less obvious one are RPGs, especially in Japan (which is THE console land), stem from the two titans that are Wizardry and Ultima. Without those two there would be no Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest/SMT and so on.

 

[Frick]

True for the first one, but as for the second - nah, the influence is massive. The obvious one is, of course, the FPS genre that had its start on the PC and became one of the cornerstones of modern console gaming.

Fair enough.

Less obvious one are RPGs, especially in Japan (which is THE console land), stem from the two titans that are Wizardry and Ultima. Without those two there would be no Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest/SMT and so on.

That predates the concept of a PC though. Back then all the different Home Computers were different platforms. And as to Lex's point, still not many ports being made for consoles (iirc which I may not).

 

[blinnbanir]

True for the first one, but as for the second - nah, the influence is massive. The obvious one is, of course, the FPS genre that had its start on the PC and became one of the cornerstones of modern console gaming. Less obvious one are RPGs, especially in Japan (which is THE console land), stem from the two titans that are Wizardry and Ultima. Without those two there would be no Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest/SMT and so on.

Let's go even further back. The first PC was based on the Atari 2600. The first Mainstream PC was the Commodore 64 and that could also have been called the First Gaming PC as it looked better and had more performance vs Atari. There was even a Racing Game on C64 that had tire wear, Pit stops and refueling. That would have been circa 1984.

 

[Onasi]

That predates the concept of a PC though. Back then all the different Home Computers were different platforms. And as to Lex's point, still not many ports being made for consoles (iirc which I may not).

I don’t distinguish between Home Computers and PCs when talking about game history, I am not too married to the PC=IBM PC distinction. That way lies madness since I can then easily argue that for the past decade consoles are just PCs running proprietary firmware and then the whole discussion collapses. Let’s just agree for the sake of argument that we both inherently understand what people mean by “PC gaming” and “Console gaming”, okay?

 

[Frick]

I don’t distinguish between Home Computers and PCs when talking about game history, I am not too married to the PC=IBM PC distinction. That way lies madness since I can then easily argue that for the past decade consoles are just PCs running proprietary firmware and then the whole discussion collapses. Let’s just agree for the sake of argument that we both inherently understand what people mean by “PC gaming” and “Console gaming”, okay?

I WILL NEVER RELENT but fair enough.