5060 Ti 8GB DOA

[NSR]

These threads - and the videos from techtubers exist simply because it's nvidia mixed in. I've counted 17 (!!!!) videos in the last 2 years from HUB alone crying about nvidias 8gb cards. Because we all know - amd doesn't have 8 gb cards. God bless the clicks I guess.

That's just because they used the 4060 as their reference for 8GB/16GB comparisons. They've said the 7600 is even worse than the 4060. They've also said any 9060 8GB card should be cancelled because they won't recommend it unless it's under 200$ and if AMD release anything 8GB above that they can expect the same review NVIDIA got.

I don't want to sound like I'm HWU's PR team but I keep seeing this idea that they target NVIDIA or love AMD. Here's how different their opinions of the two 9070 cards are, so much for liking AMD.

 

[JustBenching]

That's just because they used the 4060 as their reference for 8GB/16GB comparisons. They've said the 7600 is even worse than the 4060. They've also said any 9060 8GB card should be cancelled because they won't recommend it unless it's under 200$ and if AMD release anything 8GB above that they can expect the same review NVIDIA got.
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I don't want to sound like I'm HWU's PR team but I keep seeing this idea that they target NVIDIA or love AMD. Here's how different their opinions of the two 9070 cards are, so much for liking AMD.
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Dude, 17 videos. All with nvidia. Not just the 4060, even the 3070. Video after freaking video. Come on, it's self evident - it gets more clicks so he milks it.

I did not in any shape or form say he likes AMD. You are putting words in my mouth. Im saying the internet does, crapping on nvidia gets clicks, crapping on amd gets death threats. This has been called repeatedly by content creators, not by me. Daniel owen - techreport GB and a bunch of other people have said so. Especially daniel owen, which I consider the most serious of these techtubers has clearly called it out in his own videos, that unless his content craps on nvidia and intel, it doesnt' get clicks.

EG1. Countless of opportunities to do a 3060 12gb vs 6600 / 6600xt 8gb videos. But nope. I wonder why...

 

[Vayra86]

Did y'all order your 8GB 5060ti yet? We just learned it plays even DOOM better and practically looks like ultra.

I ordered six!

 

[JustBenching]

Did y'all order your 8GB 5060ti yet? We just learned it plays even DOOM better and practically looks like ultra.

I ordered six!

Νo, cause the performance sucks. Ain't worth 399$ for ~35% over my 3060ti.

 

[NSR]

I did not in any shape or form say he likes AMD. You are putting words in my mouth. Im saying the internet does, crapping on nvidia gets clicks, crapping on amd gets death threats. This has been called repeatedly by content creators, not by me. Daniel owen - techreport GB and a bunch of other people have said so. Especially daniel owen, which I consider the most serious of these techtubers has clearly called it out in his own videos, that unless his content craps on nvidia and intel, it doesnt' get clicks.

You make it sound as if AMD is popular. "AMD fails again", "AMD never fails to miss an opportunity", "AMD should just stick to CPUs" etc.

This sentiment that the internet loves AMD is in no way represented in purchasing decisions or the comments you'll find when they don't try hard enough to compete. NVIDIA is literally the more popular brand in all avenues they compete in. I don't doubt there's diehard AMD fans but talking about NVIDIA gets clicks, as it should, they're the market leader.

 

[JustBenching]

You make it sound as if AMD is popular. "AMD fails again", "AMD never fails to miss an opportunity", "AMD should just stick to CPUs" etc.

This sentiment that the internet loves AMD is in no way represented in purchasing decisions or the comments you'll find when they don't try hard enough to compete. NVIDIA is literally the more popular brand in all avenues they compete in. I don't doubt there's diehard AMD fans but talking about NVIDIA gets clicks, as it should, they're the market leader.

Again, it's not me saying it. The actual people making constant are saying it. It's evident anyways if you just look at polls for example. That's what started the whole conversation in Daniel owens channel. He is like, how can 45% of my viewers participating in polls have an amd gpu when the marketshare is 90/10. It's quite obvious how...

 

[Scattergrunt]

Again, it's not me saying it. The actual people making constant are saying it. It's evident anyways if you just look at polls for example. That's what started the whole conversation in Daniel owens channel. He is like, how can 45% of my viewers participating in polls have an amd gpu when the marketshare is 90/10. It's quite obvious how...

Keep in mind that any youtube poll is kinda be a bit skewed as is due to how that poll is presented to a certain audience. Useful for the youtuber, useful not for people like us who are trying to realistically gauge AMD's popularity.

A big part of why AMD has a small marketshare nowadays is because NVIDIA is dominant with prebuilts notably, though 7000 / 9000 series has brought back some confidence in prebuilts going w/ AMD as a secondary option. I see a few bigger prebuilt companies actually giving AMD as a option now, but Dell & HP stil aren't. I doubt they ever will considering despite marketing some of their computers as gaming they're definitely more workstation orientated at times.

 

[Vayra86]

Νo, cause the performance sucks. Ain't worth 399$ for ~35% over my 3060ti.

Precisely, so its DOA for anyone upgrading, too expensive for what it is, and incapable enough to skip. Ideally though, you would have made a move at this point from that 3060ti, I reckon?

We've come full circle, right? Could've done this in post 1 and 2 instead of page 18.

Again, it's not me saying it. The actual people making constant are saying it. It's evident anyways if you just look at polls for example. That's what started the whole conversation in Daniel owens channel. He is like, how can 45% of my viewers participating in polls have an amd gpu when the marketshare is 90/10. It's quite obvious how...

Yeah, I don't subscribe to techtuber silly talk at all. If I spit out an opinion, I didn't get it from a video, its just personal experience and knowledge applied. It really does seem we agree on most points, doesn't it

 

[Rover4444]

so the B580 is DOA too?

i'm not defending that gpu btw, for that price getting an 8gb card is criminal.

Of course not, it's over a hundred dollars cheaper and is a 12GB card. At MSRP it's the actual budget card that 8GB defenders pretend the 5060 Ti is.

Did y'all order your 8GB 5060ti yet? We just learned it plays even DOOM better and practically looks like ultra.

I ordered six!

So you're the guy who took all the stock...

 

[Vayra86]

You make it sound as if AMD is popular. "AMD fails again", "AMD never fails to miss an opportunity", "AMD should just stick to CPUs" etc.

This sentiment that the internet loves AMD is in no way represented in purchasing decisions or the comments you'll find when they don't try hard enough to compete. NVIDIA is literally the more popular brand in all avenues they compete in. I don't doubt there's diehard AMD fans but talking about NVIDIA gets clicks, as it should, they're the market leader.

Some people clearly don't understand what an internet / information bubble is and means. It means there are more bubbles in the world, and people inside it, are mostly busy with a popularity contest. After all, they already share the same opinion (or more accurately, act like they do, so they're in-crowd automatically), what's left to talk about. We see it on TPU as well. We're on page 18 for a topic titled DOA product which is clear as day given the offer on tap, but people make a real effort to introduce new arguments to discuss, such as posting videos of a 3050 released years back in a different market dynamic, for god knows why. We even got to talk about the immense power of a 4GB card in 2025 and on the other extreme, how a 5090 is 'also expensive' so what are we even talking about . Soon we'll be draggin Matrox into the topic and posting how it still runs Minesweeper at 1080p, so that obviously means an 8GB card in 2025 halfway up the midrange stack is just fine!

Of course not, it's over a hundred dollars cheaper and is a 12GB card. At MSRP it's the actual budget card that 8GB defenders pretend the 5060 Ti is.

So you're the guy who took all the stock...

Yeah I'm planning to resell them tomorrow for 599,-. Interested?

 

[Rover4444]

Yeah I'm planning to resell them tomorrow for 599,-. Interested?

That's a steal! But unfortunately I've gotta pay off this 5070 I got for $1600 or I lose my other kidney

 

[Hecate91]

That's just because they used the 4060 as their reference for 8GB/16GB comparisons. They've said the 7600 is even worse than the 4060. They've also said any 9060 8GB card should be cancelled because they won't recommend it unless it's under 200$ and if AMD release anything 8GB above that they can expect the same review NVIDIA got.
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I don't want to sound like I'm HWU's PR team but I keep seeing this idea that they target NVIDIA or love AMD. Here's how different their opinions of the two 9070 cards are, so much for liking AMD.
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Here's another one, HW Unboxed only targeting the 9070XT for the MSRP being fake.


They did talk about the 5080 and 5090 MSRP being fake, but only did so in a Q&A and really tiptoed around calling the MSRP fake by titling the video "Are the RTX 5090 and 5080 prices fake?".
I find it hilarious that anyone thinks HW Unboxed are AMD fanboys, if anything they've been biased towards Nvidia since Nvidia tried to cut them off from review samples, then HW Unboxed shifted to hyping up DLSS and ray tracing. But I don't watch HW Unboxed anyway, I don't trust any tech youtuber who doesn't provide unbiased reviews because a company forces them to change their stance.

 

[JustBenching]

Precisely, so its DOA for anyone upgrading, too expensive for what it is, and incapable enough to skip. Ideally though, you would have made a move at this point from that 3060ti, I reckon?

We've come full circle, right? Could've done this in post 1 and 2 instead of page 18.

I don't think I've ever denied that the performance per generation is bad to horrible. My whole point is that vram is irrelevant in this argument, cause the same applies to every single card, even the ones with plenty of vram. Problem is everyone else is saying the 8gb 5060ti is horrible because of its vram, when the reality is it's horrible cause it's horrible.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

This definitely isn't projection.

Agreed. Seriously don't understand why people are defending this card, it's 5% better than a B580 of course it's DOA LMAO


That's not what's happening on the 5060 Ti though, they're clamshelled memory. Doing that process costs at least the price of the extra VRAM.

I will give you that.
DRAM spot buy price

From what I can read here, we are conservatively at a dollar per GB of DRAM chip. That's spot buy, not a contractual buy like Nvidia might have. Let's run with that though. 16-8 = 8 (delta in VRAM). 8*1 = 8 (Delta in chip dollars). 8*2 = 16 (cost to clamshell the extra chips, according to you). No additional changes. No additional anything. No magical and expensive glass changes on your PCB. Just plug, and chug. Let's be insanely generous, and give them a 3 factor instead of 2. It costs the board manufacturer $24 and the minimum price difference is $50 (from MSRP). That's only the MSRP delta, not the delta on the street, closer to $100 and way up with third party cooling solutions. Explain something to me. When is the last time you had a more than 300% markup, that is pure profit, and weren't doing it to recoup cost for something? That's right, the only time that this would be OK anywhere else is when you were charging customers as payback for something highly inefficient...and it'd still be an absolute deal breaker if said charged individuals ever discovered your crooked crap.


So...this is why I have problems with a 5060 on a different level with 8 GB, a 5060ti with 8 GB, and the exact same 5060ti but with 16GB on the market. It'd be easier to swallow if this was a 5060 on one node and a refresh mid-lifecycle to a 5060ti now featuring double the VRAM...but when on day one you have a 300% upcharge for a feature that should be present to support what are basically the laziest of developers who will forevermore push increased VRAM usage as new features become available, then I'm depressed. Doom the Dark Ages managed to run on low spec systems without issue because they used their tools sparingly. They used RT features where they would count...and didn't just simply turn them on everywhere. The issue is that most games released today are functionally middle to late stage betas...so expecting everyone to be ID is less reasonable than simply adding $24 in cost and maybe charging customers $30 to both make profit and allow for some flexibility on pricing to absorb short term market fluctuations. Instead we have 8 GB models with a small street price boost, the inability to get 16 GB models along with a high price premium, and all of this is because Nvidia have decided that what at one point was a $300 card with two full levels of performance below it (xx50 and xx30) is now almost their entry offering tier at 43% more cost. This is why people call the 8GB card DOA....because the price window in which this card makes sense is so far out of whack with what they are charging that for those prices it's silly not to just spend slightly more in the hope that you next purchase of a 7050ti or 8050ti will not be leaving you with meh performance for too long.


(Hey Nvidia fans....this is the point to poke fun at AMD differentiating their lines with plenty of VRAM because it's always been one of the cheapest ways to get a much bigger number than the competition in some metric. Historically Nvidia has eschewed it because it always claims better memory usage...but with LLMs and other stuff that you cannot simply optimize streaming their cards actually don't perform as well as the 'throw everything at it and see what sticks" approach)

 

[josge]

Of course not, it's over a hundred dollars cheaper and is a 12GB card. At MSRP it's the actual budget card that 8GB defenders pretend the 5060 Ti is.

That's the thing, you CAN'T find one at msrp that easy, the cheapest that i could found on newegg was like 350 bucks, with other ones going arround 400$

The main reason why i bought my 4060 was because i couldn't find a single b580 at a decent price, it cost me 290$ so i think that was a much better deal.

 

[JustBenching]

Agreed. Seriously don't understand why people are defending this card, it's 5% better than a B580 of course it's DOA LMAO

By 5, do you actually missed a 0 and meant 50? According to TPUs review the 5060ti 8gb is 43% faster than the B580. How in the world did you end up at 5?

 

[ShiBDiB]

I was planning on upgrading my 3070Ti with a 5xxx card at some point and I'm just finding it impossible to justify the cost (even when they come back down to MSRP).

Also 8GB of vram on a Ti card in 2025 is criminal.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Soon we'll be draggin Matrox into the topic and posting how it still runs Minesweeper at 1080p

You hush your mouth. Matrox cards can do way more than that. They build AMD, Nvidia, and Intel ARC cards. Even their $40 custom drivers AMD card is not completely useless for gaming -

 

[lexluthermiester]

That's just because they used the 4060 as their reference for 8GB/16GB comparisons. They've said the 7600 is even worse than the 4060. They've also said any 9060 8GB card should be cancelled because they won't recommend it unless it's under 200$ and if AMD release anything 8GB above that they can expect the same review NVIDIA got.
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I don't want to sound like I'm HWU's PR team but I keep seeing this idea that they target NVIDIA or love AMD. Here's how different their opinions of the two 9070 cards are, so much for liking AMD.
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Can we please stop with the jibber-jabber about HUB? Those incompetent clowns do not deserve our time.

 

[ARF]

Dude, 17 videos. All with nvidia.

It's because Nvidia uses illegal, anti-competitive means, including making the planned obsolescence much more aggressive than it should be. They are cutting the penny literally in half to gain a bit higher profit margin.
But AdoredTV is the king - explains it all pretty well.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's because Nvidia uses illegal, anti-competitive means, including making the planned obsolescence much more aggressive than it should be. They are cutting the penny literally in half to gain a bit higher profit margin.
But AdoredTV is the king - explains it all pretty well.

You're vilifying a thing that has no evil to it. NVidia is doing what it and everyone else has always done: Providing the public with a lower tier budget offering. Want better or more? Buy better or more. TADA!

 

[JustBenching]

It's because Nvidia uses illegal, anti-competitive means, including making the planned obsolescence much more aggressive than it should be. They are cutting the penny literally in half to gain a bit higher profit margin.
But AdoredTV is the king - explains it all pretty well.

Yeah, for sure man. ARF has decided, Nvidia uses illegal tactics and planned obsolescence. Nevermind the fact that the competition can't hold a candle to a 4070ti S, let alone the faster cards nvidia has been offering (for 2 years now), planned obsolescence I'm telling you...

In 2027 competion MIGHT catch up to a 2023 nvidia gpu, but nvidia planned obsolense, trust me bro. Okay bud.

What's that? Free dlss 4 upgrade for every gpu as far back as 2018? Part of the planned obsolense. While in the meantime, the competion guts support for new features in every single card bar the latest. Adored is for sure correct, no questions about it.

 

[ShiBDiB]

planned obsolescence

I don't think this means what you think it means.

 

[xorbe]

it gets more clicks so he milks it.

cough that Scotty Kilmer guy on YT cough ... the inevitable story of all YTers trying to make money ... but I digress ...

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Yeah, for sure man. ARF has decided, Nvidia uses illegal tactics and planned obsolescence. Nevermind the fact that the competition can't hold a candle to a 4070ti S, let alone the faster cards nvidia has been offering (for 2 years now), planned obsolescence I'm telling you...

In 2027 competion MIGHT catch up to a 2023 nvidia gpu, but nvidia planned obsolense, trust me bro. Okay bud.

What's that? Free dlss 4 upgrade for every gpu as far back as 2018? Part of the planned obsolense. While in the meantime, the competion guts support for new features in every single card bar the latest. Adored is for sure correct, no questions about it.

On one side, Nvidia are demonstrably scumbags. That is from the standpoint of lying to their investors, and eating a large fine to settle and admit no wrongdoing about lying to their investors regarding crypto's influence on the profitability. PBS article on the lawsuit going forward

On the other hand, if you completely forget the topic of this thread being about the 5060ti 8GB you can constantly speculate that because AMD and Intel aren't releasing Halo products (the 9070xt "only" offering a 5070ti competition), that Nvidia has free reign to do whatever they want because there's no competition. A thing we call a monopoly. This is most definitely true, even if it is misleading and supporting the presupposed notion that Nvidia gets a "fair" viewing of their policies that wildly leans toward justifying their actions rather than accurately identifying the same level of ego that allows them to put anything out and "know" that somebody will buy it.


I choose to believe that...relating to this thread...Nvidia is a bunch of morons who want to pretend their 5060ti 8GB is a gift to save some people money if they cannot afford the $100 premium to get the 8 GB of VRAM that is the only differentiator for the higher end model. I view it like that old Futurama bit. They go to a movie theater, and order a beverage. The robot taking the order asks them something to the effect of if they'd like an extra small cup, that "only" costs them a few cents less. You then watch them entirely fill the cup with a single drop of soda, and the punchline is dropped that sometimes the cheaper option is not reasonable to purchase even if it is cheaper, because sometimes it isn't worth it.

I don't think this means what you think it means.

I interpret their understanding as planned obsolescence of the 8GB version. They are selling something at a more value oriented price, under the auspices that it has a very finite period of time before the decrease in VRAM will start degrading in performance in ways that the 16GB version won't.

While not entirely the same thing as card lasts 18 months, then fails so you have to buy another, there is a reasonable argument that the lack of VRAM is planned obsolescence under the assumption that the decreased VRAM will compromise performance.