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RX 9070 availability

I live both in Europe and Asia. I was kinda ok with the ~750USD MSRP for 5070Ti, but if that equals 1000 USD in EU (looking at Poland prices right now) than it's a no no. That Powercolor 9070XT is ~850 USD , so ditto.

And here in Taiwan all the things >5070 are still either scalped to high heavens or sold in silly bundles. Seems I will stick to retro gaming for the foreseeable future.
 
AusWolf said:
Impressive wall of text, but you still haven't explained why a ~10% difference in FPS is so meaningful. You can always turn one setting down from ultra to high, and you've got that 10% back - not that you notice 10% anyway.
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What I'm getting from his text is that 9070 not gonna be capable for 1% lows as much as the 9070 XT in rasterization. 1% low is important in fluidity of your gaming experience. And I believe is referring to the near future rather than 5 years from now I'm talking about 2K and 4K resolutions.
On the other hand, both cards has same amount of cache, how fast can use that cache 9070 and 9070XT, what is the difference in accessing and immediate use of that cache I don't know. But still this cache usage relates by a big margins to 1% lows I believe. Also will relate to the lack of stutters.

What I'm speculating is the amount of TMU greater on 9070 XT which will help in a better fluidity of the games, better 1 % lows, more TMU = faster textures will be applied to the 3d objects in a scene.
So we have 256 TMUs on 9070XT a 12.5 % increase over 224TMU on 9070. How much will affect this 12.5 % more TMU the 1% lows is hard to say maybe is 20 % or just 5%.

cinemaware said:
I live both in Europe and Asia. I was kinda ok with the ~750USD MSRP for 5070Ti, but if that equals 1000 USD in EU (looking at Poland prices right now) than it's a no no. That Powercolor 9070XT is ~850 USD , so ditto.

And here in Taiwan all the things >5070 are still either scalped to high heavens or sold in silly bundles. Seems I will stick to retro gaming for the foreseeable future.
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Maybe end of June will look better, also you might want to have a look at used 4080 lower pwr draw and less heat and very close to 9070XT performance.
 
I'm holding off for now. Even if GPU prices drop back down I don't know if I'll upgrade. GPU game drivers seem to have taken a backseat in favor of AI crap.
 
rusty caterpillar said:
Maybe end of June will look better, also you might want to have a look at used 4080 lower pwr draw and less heat and very close to 9070XT performance.
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Usually used RTX 4080 is more expensive than a new RX 9070 XT TDP is close. Right now RX 9070 XT and RTX 5070 Ti is at the lowest price ever.
 
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rusty caterpillar said:
What I'm getting from his text is that 9070 not gonna be capable for 1% lows as much as the 9070 XT in rasterization. 1% low is important in fluidity of your gaming experience. And I believe is referring to the near future rather than 5 years from now I'm talking about 2K and 4K resolutions.
On the other hand, both cards has same amount of cache, how fast can use that cache 9070 and 9070XT, what is the difference in accessing and immediate use of that cache I don't know. But still this cache usage relates by a big margins to 1% lows I believe. Also will relate to the lack of stutters.

What I'm speculating is the amount of TMU greater on 9070 XT which will help in a better fluidity of the games, better 1 % lows, more TMU = faster textures will be applied to the 3d objects in a scene.
So we have 256 TMUs on 9070XT a 12.5 % increase over 224TMU on 9070. How much will affect this 12.5 % more TMU the 1% lows is hard to say maybe is 20 % or just 5%.
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I still don't think that difference is worth discussing in detail. I don't consider anything below a 30-50% difference meaningful in any way. But let's just agree to disagree. :)
 
Krit said:
Right now RX 9070 XT and RTX 5070 Ti is at the lowest price ever.
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Where I am looking now it’s like that
Poland
9070XT - 3200PLN = 850 USD real price (- 20%VAT 120USD) = 730 USD bef VAT
5070Ti - 3700PLN = 980 USD real price (- 20%VAT 150USD) = 830 US bef VAT

This 80-130 USD markup from MSRP would be bearable if we didn't have VAT on top, but we do.

Taiwan
9070XT - 27800 TWD - 927 USD -100 USD = 827 USD real price (it's a bundle with 1TB PNY NVM assume you get 100 USD for that NVM) - (- some tax, not sure, usually 100USD) - 727 USD
5070Ti - 30000TWD = ~1000 USD real price (- some tax, not sure, usually 100USD) = 9000 USD bef tax

One biggest shop has lower prices but only for people building new computers. Scum tactic.

9070XT would be bearable if not for tax and bundle, but it’s not like that, so it all still sucks big time. Some of it is exacerbated by very weak dollar atm though (for me at least).
 
Hmm, something has budged. Can actually buy a 9070XT for about 770 USD here in Taiwan. This is still a lot over the 700USD which was the launch day price here (I guess this is our local MSRP if you add 12% tax), but better than previous unobtainium or ~900 USD. This is something I could swallow, I guess, even though I'd prefer Nvidia card overall, but the problem is I will spend the end of the year in Poland, and I have a G-Sync monitor over there. So I guess in the end I'm doomed to fork ~1000 USD for 5070Ti.... *facepalm*

There are some PNYs on offer here bundled with Gigabyte's 750W PSU's for ~1000USD , the PSU is worth maybe 70 bucks, so if I could resell it, it'd ease the pain a bit. Gotta mull it over some more.

The bottom line is, I see some positive moves on the AMD front, but Green is still being mercilessly scalped by the shops.
 
In Poland cheapest right now 9070 is around 740 USD, and 9070 XT is a little over 800 USD. (where I bought My 9070 xt for around 940 USD -.- )
And 5070 ti cheapest around 1000 USD.
All with vat 23%.
I hate this price fluctuations, even 1 week can destroy Your wallet, or not -.- .
And sometimes price is going up if the popularity is viewed of that product.
 
CheteriagalenTriagalnik said:
If you're living in the EU - there are many websites that allow you to buy GPUs from other countries. Sometimes they have much better prices.
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That's not really that straightforward. If you mean from within EU countries, then most of their shops are scalping just the same, and also might have restrictions on shopping to other countries. You can compare prices via: https://www.gputracker.eu/ there's really not much to write home about. And from outside, they will slam the same taxes on, plus it's also nothing rosy - MSRP stuff is either sold out or being scalped, even by “official” amazon shops of the likes of MSI.
 
Prices are falling in the UK for both models... £619.99 for 9070xt cheapest pretty much at the moment I think.
 
I check Newegg a couple of times per day and its really not that rare to find one of the $720-$730 models in stock. And its not even a blink-and-they're-gone scenario, they typically last a couple hours. That's still more than I'm interested in paying, but sub-$800 cards aren't impossible to find.
 
This is how every new release of GPU's work. The inventory is always very small at first to drive up demand and prices. I'd wait till August and you should expect to see them everywhere and much closer to MSRP. People getting the cards now are paying an early adopter tax. It's up to you if you want to pay more now to play now or pay less later and play later.
 
FeelinFroggy said:
This is how every new release of GPU's work. The inventory is always very small at first to drive up demand and prices. I'd wait till August and you should expect to see them everywhere and much closer to MSRP. People getting the cards now are paying an early adopter tax. It's up to you if you want to pay more now to play now or pay less later and play later.
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Is this actually true? I don't recall this happening with the previous generation. Before that was Covid/mining, so total chaos, and before that I only bought used cards.

I'm getting old and have been already waiting over 5 months with no GPU. I wouldn't say this is what "early adopter" is supposed to mean.
MrDweezil said:
I check Newegg a couple of times per day and its really not that rare to find one of the $720-$730 models in stock. And its not even a blink-and-they're-gone scenario, they typically last a couple hours. That's still more than I'm interested in paying, but sub-$800 cards aren't impossible to find.
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US is the biggest market, so perhaps there's more choice. 120 USD in the US is still scalping, but I'm fed up with waiting and could swallow that. But in the rest of the world we have to add 10-20% tax to this scalping, and that's hardly palatable.
 
cinemaware said:
That's not really that straightforward. If you mean from within EU countries, then most of their shops are scalping just the same, and also might have restrictions on shopping to other countries. You can compare prices via: https://www.gputracker.eu/ there's really not much to write home about. And from outside, they will slam the same taxes on, plus it's also nothing rosy - MSRP stuff is either sold out or being scalped, even by “official” amazon shops of the likes of MSI.
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True, but between that and amazon, at least it gives a few more options. For some cards I've been able to find savings of ~150 eur this way. Of course, this does mean longer shipping times and more difficult warranty handling, though.
 
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I don't know how they came up with 630 GBP as MSRP in UK for the 9070XT, maybe I'm missing something.

600$ is 446GBP + 20 % VAT which is 89.2 GBP = 545 GBP + some taxes maybe a far fetched 590 GBP but, not 630GBP.
 
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