Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[FoulOnWhite]

Is there a desktop proggie for Ryzen I could have a look at, just interested. What’s the Asus motherboard one like? Didn't really like the intel one. Is there a actual AMD one?

Well its actually running ok, I did find the EXPO setting, it had 4 different ones I believe so I just set it on first, ram is running at 6000c30 which is ok I think.

 

[igormp]

New bios has arrived for my x670e proart

I'll try it out this weekend and see if it makes my memory setup more stable at higher frequencies.

 

[freeagent]

I tried 3003, and my scores took a nose dive for some reason. I went back to the previous one and no problem.

 

[AusWolf]

Is there a desktop proggie for Ryzen I could have a look at, just interested. What’s the Asus motherboard one like? Didn't really like the intel one. Is there a actual AMD one?

Well its actually running ok, I did find the EXPO setting, it had 4 different ones I believe so I just set it on first, ram is running at 6000c30 which is ok I think.

Ryzen Master, although personally, I don't recommend controlling your system through software.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ryzen Master, although personally, I don't recommend controlling your system through software.

I'll second that. BIOS settings are generally a much better way to go. They take longer to work out but are far more stable once dialed in.

 

[AusWolf]

I'll second that. BIOS settings are generally a much better way to go. They take longer to work out but are far more stable once dialed in.

Yep. Not to mention they stay stable across different OSes, which is an important thing if you use Linux, or plan on reinstalling Windows in the foreseeable future.

Generally speaking, the less software I rely on, the better.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yep. Not to mention they stay stable across different OSes, which is an important thing if you use Linux, or plan on reinstalling Windows in the foreseeable future.

Generally speaking, the less software I rely on, the better.

This is also a very good reason to do BIOS settings. I use a combination. I play around with things in the software and then once dialed in, write everything down and then hop into the BIOS and set it all up there. This is a good method with Windows, not so much with Linux..

 

[AusWolf]

This is also a very good reason to do BIOS settings. I use a combination. I play around with things in the software and then once dialed in, write everything down and then hop into the BIOS and set it all up there. This is a good method with Windows, not so much with Linux..

Personally, I use stock/auto settings and don't touch anything unless something has to be touched, like SoC voltage if it's too high, or a custom power limit if one's cooler is too tiny (like my NH-D9L right now).

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Thx guys. I'm kind of stumbling around in the dark though after so long on intel. I'll take a look at ryzen master though.

 

[AusWolf]

Thx guys. I'm kind of stumbling around in the dark though after so long on intel. I'll take a look at ryzen master though.

There's no need to stumble. Expo enabled, SoC voltage at or under 1.3 V, what else is there to do? In my opinion, nothing.

The 7800X3D is pretty much a non-K Intel CPU in disguise. I'm sure you can tune something on it, but it's completely pointless, imo (especially through software).

 

[FoulOnWhite]

There's no need to stumble. Expo enabled, SoC voltage at or under 1.3 V, what else is there to do? In my opinion, nothing.

The 7800X3D is pretty much a non-K Intel CPU in disguise. I'm sure you can tune something on it, but it's completely pointless, imo (especially through software).

It IS better in games than the 12700k was. dying light 2 was laggy on the intel, runs fine now, even fallout 4 was not perfect on the intel, now it is dead smooth. I am glad i switched, AMD is the way to go now for a gaming rig. I also have the option of a 9800X3D when money is available.

 

[AusWolf]

It IS better in games than the 12700k was. dying light 2 was laggy on the intel, runs fine now, even fallout 4 was not perfect on the intel, now it is dead smooth. I am glad i switched, AMD is the way to go now for a gaming rig.

I didn't say it performs similarly - just that it works similarly, that is, it's pretty much plug and play.

I also have the option of a 9800X3D when money is available.

Personally, I wouldn't bother. It's not much faster, but it eats a lot more power than the 7800X3D.

Zen 6 seems a lot more interesting with rumours of alleged 12-core CCDs.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

I didn't say it performs similarly - just that it works similarly, that is, it's pretty much plug and play.


Personally, I wouldn't bother. It's not much faster, but it eats a lot more power than the 7800X3D.

Zen 6 seems a lot more interesting with rumours of alleged 12-core CCDs.

I will stick with the 7800 for a while, it is much better for my needs.

And at least AMD stick with a socket rather than forcing a complete CPU/Motherboard change every gen.

 

[mtosev]

I have a quick question. Do zen 5 threadrippers support non Ecc ram? I'm asking for the HEDT versions of TR

 

[lexluthermiester]

I have a quick question. Do zen 5 threadrippers support non Ecc ram? I'm asking for the HEDT versions of TR

They should. I haven't read anywhere they don't.

 

[igormp]

I have a quick question. Do zen 5 threadrippers support non Ecc ram? I'm asking for the HEDT versions of TR

They only support ECC RAM, and registered ones.
It has been quite a bit since Thread ripper only supports RDIMMs, and not UDIMMs.

New bios has arrived for my x670e proart
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I'll try it out this weekend and see if it makes my memory setup more stable at higher frequencies.

I can't get my system to POST at all anymore, it just gets stuck in the orange dram light eternally. Fun.

 

[lexluthermiester]

They only support ECC RAM, and registered ones.
It has been quite a bit since Thread ripper only supports RDIMMs, and not UDIMMs.

Really? When did they start that? After TR4?
EDIT: According to TPU's own specs page first, second & third gen Threadripper do not support ECC, which directly implies standard RAM.

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X Specs

Zen, 16 Cores, 32 Threads, 3.4 GHz, 180 W

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X Specs

Colfax, 16 Cores, 32 Threads, 3.5 GHz, 180 W

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X Specs

Castle Peak, 24 Cores, 48 Threads, 3.8 GHz, 280 W

www.techpowerup.com

It's not until Zen4 that Threadripper supports ECC;

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7960X Specs

Storm Peak, 24 Cores, 48 Threads, 4.2 GHz, 350 W

www.techpowerup.com

However, looking this up elsewhere shows non-ecc is still supported.

Parts

Puget Systems provides part information, advice, and tech specs for all of the computer hardware we use to configure our workstation PCs

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sTR5 CPU's support ECC & Reg but it is not specifically required.

 

[igormp]

I can't get my system to POST at all anymore, it just gets stuck in the orange dram light eternally. Fun.

After lots of fiddling, and reflashing 2 previous BIOS, I got it to POST once more.
However, whenever I try to update to the latest BIOS, I'm able to POST with a single 64GB (after ~2 hours of training), manually set whatever I want (like my 4800MHz frequency), but once plugging all 4x64GB sticks it gets permanently stuck in the orange DRAM light (left it like so for over 12 hours and nada).
Fun fact, AEMP with the latest BIOS tries to set the stick at 6800MHz, compared to the previous version that tried 5600MHz.

Might just go back to the previous BIOS version, bummer.

Really? When did they start that? After TR4?

On the first one that accepted DDR5, iirc.

EDIT: According to TPU's own specs page first, second & third gen Threadripper do not support ECC, which directly implies standard RAM.

AFAIK they do support ECC with UDIMMs, just like the Ryzen CPUs.

It's not until Zen4 that Threadripper supports ECC;

The Zen 2 and Zen 3 TR Pro models on sWRX8 supported both UDIMM (ECC and non-ECC) and RDIMM:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/wrx80.html#specs

• Eight-Channel DDR4 Memory with optional ECC support

• Up to 2TB of ECC RDIMM, UDIMM and LRDIMM

sTR5 CPU's support ECC & Reg but it is not specifically required.

sTR5 only supports RDIMM, no UDIMMs (and within DDR5, UDIMMs and RDIMMs are finally physically incompatible).

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/workstations/ryzen-threadripper.html

In theory there could be a RDIMM without ECC, but I don't think anyone has ever made that, so all sTR5 TRs end up being ECC-only due to this in practice.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Might just go back to the previous BIOS version, bummer.

Yeah, that is a bios firmware problem, not a hardware problem.

The Zen 2 and Zen 3 TR Pro models on sWRX8 supported both UDIMM (ECC and non-ECC) and RDIMM:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/wrx80.html#specs

sTR5 only supports RDIMM, no UDIMMs (and within DDR5, UDIMMs and RDIMMs are finally physically incompatible).
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/workstations/ryzen-threadripper.html
In theory there could be a RDIMM without ECC, but I don't think anyone has ever made that, so all sTR5 TRs end up being ECC-only due to this in practice.

Ah good find! That's that part of the question answered.

 

[igormp]

Yeah, that is a bios firmware problem, not a hardware problem.

Yeah, I gave up on version 3003 and I'm back to 2904. Will try out some tips that I got in another forum to see if I can squeeze out 5000~5200MHz out of it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Will try out some tips that I got in another forum to see if I can squeeze out 5000~5200MHz out of it.

Question for you, no offense intended at all, are you pushing the RAM speeds because you need the extra performance or just to tinker?

 

[igormp]

Question for you, no offense intended at all, are you pushing the RAM speeds because you need the extra performance or just to tinker?

I don't need the extra bandwidth per se, what I actually need is the capacity.
However, if I can squeeze out some extra bandwidth that'll be really welcome as well. Tinkering with it during my spare time has also been fun, so there's that.

As a side note, I care mostly about bandwidth, the latency in itself is not that relevant for my use case.

 

[lexluthermiester]

However, if I can squeeze out some extra bandwidth that'll be really welcome as well. Tinkering with it during my spare time has also been fun, so there's that.

Fair enough.

As a side note, I care mostly about bandwidth, the latency in itself is not that relevant for my use case.

Gaming? Or video editing? Not trying to be nosy, only curious.

 

[igormp]

Fair enough.

Well, this is a enthusiast forum after all, that was to be expected

Gaming? Or video editing? Not trying to be nosy, only curious.

Mostly programming, compiling stuff, dealing with machine learning models, data pipelines and whatnot.
I rarely ever play games.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Can I ask, what is PBO I see people mention it but don’t have a clue what it is. My board is now a ROG strix B650E-E gaming WiFi.