6800xt va 4070 12gb

[Ruru]

I would still recommend the 4070 if raytracing is important to you.

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Depending on your desired resolution, the 4070 is faster by 10% to 12%.
However with overall performance, the 7900GRE only just barely(1% to 2%) tops the 4070.

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Not by much overall and definately not in raytracing.

Mmmh, 7900 GRE was something what I was concidering last year, but ended up with this 3080 as I got a good deal. I don't care about RT so a Radeon works fine for me as well.

4070, however, feels overpriced at €450.

Paid the same amount for my 3080 13 months ago and felt like that I got a good deal after all. Did come with a FC waterblock too so it gives even more better value.

 

[Athlonite]

I'm noticing alot of peeps on here pointing out DLSS and DLAA and RT on here as a plus for the 4070 but neglect to also say the the RX6800XT has FSR and AFMF and will do RT okish at 1080p you also get 16GB Vram making 1440p a better option later on than 12GB Vram 4070

 

[FreedomEclipse]

but neglect to also say the the RX6800XT has FSR and AFMF

But they are inferior to the Nvidia equivalent? If DLSS/RT matters to the OP then the 4070 takes the crown. No denying that the 6800XT is still quite a power house for 1080p though.

But I digress... If you are on a budget. Beggars cant be choosers.

 

[Athlonite]

But they are inferior to the Nvidia equivalent?

Not according to HUB the latest FSR3.1 is just as good if not better in some games over DLSS

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

RX6800XT has FSR and AFMF

visual quality is crap, even with now FSR4 with my 9070XT its just "okayish" (Though RT performance has "greatly improved")

Not according to HUB

Real world user here..I don't do memes with YTubers..they like to be a little bit more of a "fanboi" themselves..

 

[Denver]

Neither. Buy the best brand-new video card you can afford. Used products are a ticking time bomb, whose countdown timer to explosion is hidden.

Considering the price range mentioned, the options would be: 9060XT 16GB, 4060ti 16GB, 7700XT.

 

[Rover4444]

better a 4070 12g or a 7900gre ? for 1080p and 2k both used for 435

7900 GRE. I don't really think it's worth the price difference over the 6800 XT but that's just me.

I'm noticing alot of peeps on here pointing out DLSS and DLAA and RT on here as a plus for the 4070 but neglect to also say the the RX6800XT has FSR and AFMF and will do RT okish at 1080p you also get 16GB Vram making 1440p a better option later on than 12GB Vram 4070

Because FSR 3.1 and AFMF is trash. The RX 6800 XT is a great card but DLSS 4 is just better and compatible from Turing and newer.

Not according to HUB the latest FSR3.1 is just as good if not better in some games over DLSS

That's FSR 4.

Neither. Buy the best brand-new video card you can afford. Used products are a ticking time bomb, whose countdown timer to explosion is hidden.

Considering the price range mentioned, the options would be: 9060XT 16GB, 4060ti 16GB, 7700XT.

This is FUD.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Not according to HUB the latest FSR3.1 is just as good if not better in some games over DLSS

FSR 4 is the one that's competitive with DLSS, which AMD is gatekeeping behind RDNA 4 at the moment (apparently, it is heavily reliant on FP8 WMMA which is unsupported on RDNA 3, it technically works if converted to FP16, but this comes at a relatively heavy performance cost, so AMD elected not to support it, at least for now). It's in "early access" stage, anyway. They plan on formally launching it soon, for the time being, there is no documentation, no API, and it uses a lot of as of now undocumented AGS calls. It's a bit of a mess.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

FSR 4 is the one that's competitive with DLSS, which AMD is gatekeeping behind RDNA 4 at the moment (apparently, it is heavily reliant on FP8 WMMA which is unsupported on RDNA 3, it technically works if converted to FP16, but this comes at a relatively heavy performance cost, so AMD elected not to support it, at least for now). It's in "early access" stage, anyway. They plan on formally launching it soon, for the time being, there is no documentation, no API, and it uses a lot of as of now undocumented AGS calls. It's a bit of a mess.

I forget who asked I'm pretty sure it was HUB but AMD I'm pretty sure said at computex that it isn't coming to older generations, could they backtrack on that sure it's amd after all but it sounds like the performance hit on older hardware is too high to be worth porting back.

I doubt FSR3 will receive any updates going forward and from the sound of if both their reconstruction tech and the new ai frame generation will be locked to RDNA4 and newer for the same reason as SR.

I'm happy that amd is going this route I much prefer their technologies be good vs open to all graphics cards if you can do both awesome but that hasn't been the case for AMD.

 

[Scattergrunt]

If you can find a 4070 for a good used price, I would go for a 4070. But the RX 6800 XT is a *slightly* slower in raster (3 - 5 percent I believe) and is much slower in RT, however it has more VRAM. I would pick the RX 6800XT if you need the VRAM, but 12GB should be more than enough for 1080p RT. You aren't gonna PT with either of these cards, guaranteed.

RT, DLSS = 4070
VRAM intensive task = 6800XT

Don't narrow your options to just that though, keep in mind that theres also some other GPU's out there which are good deals used. 3080's are still pretty alright for 1080P RT, 1440p non RT, RX 6800's are decent value with a alright OC potential. Etc.

If this is a new build I would recommend checking the wattage too, the 4070 requires less beefy of a power supply. (4070 = 200W vs 6800XT = 300W, though the 6800XT w/ a UV will help with performance and efficiency.) That might decide your choice too.

Neither. Buy the best brand-new video card you can afford. Used products are a ticking time bomb, whose countdown timer to explosion is hidden.

There are used products out there which work fine, some just don't have a warranty, open box, etc. Minor physical damage. Bought a 1050Ti pretty far back and that works perfectly fine. Same with a 1060 3GB, 2080S, a few old intel cpu's.. etc, etc.

We're not in the days were its easy to be deceived anymore; most cards that have damage severe enough to need repairs for example are usually clearly marked or are obvious in the pictures. Most sites you can buy used cards from also have buyer protection (Jawa, Ebay, etc).

It's a personal choice whether your comfortable buying used products or not. I can respect the choice not too, but they are not 'ticking time bombs'.

 

[Denver]

If you can find a 4070 for a good used price, I would go for a 4070. But the RX 6800 XT is a *slightly* slower in raster (3 - 5 percent I believe) and is much slower in RT, however it has more VRAM. I would pick the RX 6800XT if you need the VRAM, but 12GB should be more than enough for 1080p RT. You aren't gonna PT with either of these cards, guaranteed.

RT, DLSS = 4070
VRAM intensive task = 6800XT

Don't narrow your options to just that though, keep in mind that theres also some other GPU's out there which are good deals used. 3080's are still pretty alright for 1080P RT, 1440p non RT, RX 6800's are decent value with a alright OC potential. Etc.

If this is a new build I would recommend checking the wattage too, the 4070 requires less beefy of a power supply. (4070 = 200W vs 6800XT = 300W, though the 6800XT w/ a UV will help with performance and efficiency.) That might decide your choice too.


There are used products out there which work fine, some just don't have a warranty, open box, etc. Minor physical damage. Bought a 1050Ti pretty far back and that works perfectly fine. Same with a 1060 3GB, 2080S, a few old intel cpu's.. etc, etc.

We're not in the days were its easy to be deceived anymore; most cards that have damage severe enough to need repairs for example are usually clearly marked or are obvious in the pictures. Most sites you can buy used cards from also have buyer protection (Jawa, Ebay, etc).

It's a personal choice whether your comfortable buying used products or not. I can respect the choice not too, but they are not 'ticking time bombs'.

Well, it's important to have a clear understanding of both the positive and negative aspects of the product you're investing in.
People who buy low-end I suppose aren't exactly splashing the cash. I always feel a twinge of conscience when recommending used products to others, since I can't guarantee they won’t fail within weeks. But that's just my perspective.

 

[JustBenching]

I'm noticing alot of peeps on here pointing out DLSS and DLAA and RT on here as a plus for the 4070 but neglect to also say the the RX6800XT has FSR and AFMF and will do RT okish at 1080p you also get 16GB Vram making 1440p a better option later on than 12GB Vram 4070

Although I suggested the 6800xt over the 4070 based on the prices the OP mentioned, NO, if he cares even a tiny bit about RT the 6800xt is just off the table. It cannot do it in the games one would actually want to enable it.

 

[Athlonite]

Although I suggested the 6800xt over the 4070 based on the prices the OP mentioned, NO, if he cares even a tiny bit about RT the 6800xt is just off the table. It cannot do it in the games one would actually want to enable it.

Psh I ran CP2077 with RT enabled on my ole RX6800 and was getting around 70fps at 1080p with most settings on high or ultra and FSR quality, path tracing however was a killer of fps big time so I never bothered to turn it on as it never really made anything look that much different anyways it wasn't worth the fps suck

 

[lexluthermiester]

path tracing however was a killer of fps big time so I never bothered to turn it on as it never really made anything look that much different anyways it wasn't worth the fps suck

This. PathTracing is not what anyone should be aiming for on a mid-tier card. RayTracing, yes. PathTracing, no.

 

[eidairaman1]

450€ 4070 12gb
320€ 6800xt nitro

Save your money and grab a 7000 series

Well, it's important to have a clear understanding of both the positive and negative aspects of the product you're investing in.
People who buy low-end I suppose aren't exactly splashing the cash. I always feel a twinge of conscience when recommending used products to others, since I can't guarantee they won’t fail within weeks. But that's just my perspective.

Exactly, no sense in playing craps, if you go used, there is 0 warranty, then that means paying for a pcb repair if it fails, or have to replace the card when it becomes BER to the repair shop (gpu die failures are pretty common)

By that point customer could have bought a brand new in box gpu...

 

[lexluthermiester]

if you go used, there is 0 warranty

That's not exactly true. With Ebay, Jawa and Amazon, there is a non-DOA policy in permanent effect. While that's not the same as factory warranty, it's still enough to give buyers reasonable peace of mind.

Save your money and grab a 7000 series

That would be good advice if they don't care about raytracing.

 

[eidairaman1]

That's not exactly true. With Ebay, Jawa and Amazon, there is a non-DOA policy in permanent effect. While that's not the same as factory warranty, it's still enough to give buyers reasonable peace of mind.


That would be good advice if they don't care about raytracing.

Oh you mean buyer protection on ebay/amazon, which is maybe 1 month?

 

[vitiellofrancesco318@gmai]

Questo. Il PathTracing non è l'opzione che tutti dovrebbero cercare su una scheda di fascia media. RayTracing, sì. PathTracing, no.

Cos'è il pathtracing?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Oh you mean buyer protection on ebay/amazon, which is maybe 1 month?

Two months, which really more than one need to figure out of a part works properly or not.

What is pathtracing?

It's a very real-world accurate version of ray-tracing. Very math intensive and only the RTX 4090 and RTX 5090 can do it effectively. An RTX 4070 is not going to do it.

 

[eidairaman1]

Two months, which really more than one need to figure out of a part works properly or not.

It's a very real-world accurate version of ray-tracing. Very math intensive and only the RTX 4090 and RTX 5090 can do it effectively. An RTX 4070 is not going to do it.

Yeah i really look into fine print on that website because they change the rules all the time, most stuff is 30 days

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah i really look into fine print on that website because they change the rules all the time, most stuff is 30 days

Ebay and Amazon have both been 60days for years. Fairly certain they both started that before the pandemic.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Ebay and Amazon have both been 60days for years. Fairly certain they both started that before the pandemic.

Both are 30 days last I checked.

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The two caveats are if you purchased directly from Amazon with one of their renewed products you get 90 days but no warranty after that period or if you purchase on Ebay with paypal you get buyer protection through them for 90 days but it's basically arbitration at that point I've been on both sides won and lost so it isn't a guarantee.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Both are 30 days last I checked.

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The two caveats are if you purchased directly from Amazon with one of their renewed products you get 90 days or if you purchase on Ebay with paypal you get buyer protection through them for 90 days but it's basically arbitration at that point I've been on both sides won and lost so it isn't a guarantee.

I just looked, you're right. Seems they changed it recently.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/...licy/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy?id=4210
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GKM69DUUYKQWKWX7
It was 60days on both not too long ago.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I just looked, seems they changed it.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/...licy/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy?id=4210
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html
It was 30days on both not too long ago.

Amazon will help people sometimes beyond the return period still but I would never tell someone to make a purchase hoping that.


eBay did shorten it but it was a while ago, I just recommend people use paypal as having that 90 days for arbitration is better than nothing sometimes even the threat of reporting someone to paypal will make them fix the issue or at least come to an amendable agreement

 

[RaceT3ch]

Neither. Buy the best brand-new video card you can afford. Used products are a ticking time bomb, whose countdown timer to explosion is hidden.

Considering the price range mentioned, the options would be: 9060XT 16GB, 4060ti 16GB, 7700XT.

Respectfully, I think this is a bad idea. Stuff like GPU's should and do last 10 years at minimum. Depending if they've been overclocked, they won't last as long but should last at least the next 3 generations from now when taken care of properly. Most of the new GPU's have a very minor performance increase per generation and focus on Upscaling way too much now. I wouldn't be surprised if OP could find a 6900 XT on auction right now that costs the same or less, which well outperforms your suggestions.