Need help overclocking my 9800X3D

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

So I finally got the last two parts that I have waited so long for about a month ago. Built a 9800X3D system. So farm I am loving it but it has a few quirks. One of them is trying to overclock this damn thing. I have followed

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and I swear nothing is happening. The CPU frequency according to CPU-z is just fluctuating all over the place and is not a consistent speed while running multi-core Cinebench. And this "overclock" is yielding worse results than stock (21-23k stock vs 19k oc) and the CPU usage is pegged at 100%.

What am I doing wrong? I havent had an AMD system since the Opteron 165 back on the S939 days.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

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[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

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[ir_cow]

There really isn't any point in overclocking the x3d CPUs. Just set a undervolt offset and let PBO do the rest.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Why is there no point? AMD made these chips so they can overclock.

 

[Contra]

Why is there no point? AMD made these chips so they can overclock.

No, this:

There really isn't any point in overclocking the x3d CPUs. Just set a undervolt offset and let PBO do the rest.

Also try OC IF and MC to 2:3:3 IF:UC:MC

 

[rv8000]

What hardware do you have?
Are you using messing with e-clk in the bios?
What’s your cooling like? (Throttling/clockstretching)

The most important tuning to be done is locking in PBO and CO’s with ram tuning (IF tweaks depending on frequency of your memory). At most you’re going to get 100-150mhz above max stock boost for a 24/7 stable OC (5.3-5.4ghz).

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

just set all core to 56 and set the voltage.

 

[ir_cow]

Why is there no point? AMD made these chips so they can overclock.

Sure the multiplier is unlocked, but the great thing about these X3D CPUs is the difference in frame rate games form 4.7 (stock all core) to 5.7GHz (1 core boost ) is minor.

Even ram speed doesn't matter. So what your left is a CPU that benefits the most from leaving the PBO on auto and focusing on power, which in turns boosts clocks (for PBO) and lowers temperatures. Most people seems just to set a -0.10 offset and call it a day. If your lucky with a nice bin it will be - 0.15v.

 

[Dorek]

Maybe just update bios to latest and reset all the bios settings and just do the expo and enable pbo pretty much.

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

Sure the multiplier is unlocked, but the great thing about these X3D CPUs is the difference in frame rate games form 4.7 (stock all core) to 5.7GHz (1 core boost ) is minor.

Even ram speed doesn't matter. So what your left is a CPU that benefits the most from leaving the PBO on auto and focusing on power, which in turns boosts clocks (for PBO) and lowers temperatures. Most people seems just to set a -0.10 offset and call it a day. If your lucky with a nice bin it will be - 0.15v.

ram speed does matter. did u just set the ram frequency and leave it there?

 

[ir_cow]

Ram speed does not with x3d in gaming. Trust me on this one.

There is examples where it does matter and can make a notable difference. Like very low graphical settings, low resolution with a 5090. But who's actually playing games that way?

 

[rv8000]

Ram speed does not with x3d in gaming. Trust me on this one.

There is examples where it does matter and can make a notable difference. Like very low graphical settings, low resolution with a 5090. But who's actually playing games that way?

You must not play any rts, mmo, or games with severe CPU limitations. EXPO 6000 c32 vs tuned 6400/8000 gets blown out of the water in minimums; personal testing in WoW in cities with heavy player population theres a difference of 30 fps (mid 80s untuned 6000 vs 8000 c36). The same goes for any raid environment with lots of physics and model spawns.

Generalized sweeping statements are a bad thing to make. Reminds me I need to revisit CP2077 memory scaling and run a couple of profiles again.

 

[ir_cow]

We talking about the same CPU? Granted I don't play MMOs, they run on a potato, can't see it stressing a X3D.

Edit: I take it back, played ESO. That runs just fine on a 10600K max settings. I see little indication that a X3D would give me higher fps. Unless... Once again you are using RTX 5090 and playing on low graphical settings and low resolution.

 

[rv8000]

We talking about the same CPU? Granted I don't play MMOs, they run on a potato, can't see it stressing a X3D.

Edit: I take it back, played ESO. That runs just fine on a 10600K max settings. I see little indication that a X3D would give me higher fps. Unless... Once again you are using RTX 5090 and playing on low graphical settings and low resolution.

For the resident memory reviewer, that’s a pretty astonishing statement to make.

For reference i’m playing on a 9800x3d, 9070XT/4080s, 1440p max settings excluding rt. Tuned memory makes a tremendous difference in min fps, on my 9800X3D, on my 14700k, on 7900x3d, on my 9700x, on my 7600x, and on my friends 265k (when it comes to mmos, rts, or any game with some cpu limitations). Games like WoW and GW2 are particularly bad when it comes to this.

Again don’t make such a sweeping blanket statement, when it’s not true.

 

[freeagent]

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[ir_cow]

Alright let's start with the basics. JEDEC 4800 gives me 94ns and 6000 CL26 gives me 76ns. Anything but a X3D would be a pretty good indication of a performance difference when it comes to gaming.



However... In a CPU intense games like BG3, there is only a 9-10fps difference from super duper Ram and basic JEDEC.... With a RTX 4090



Moving onto CS2 and 3 fps isn't enough to convince me I need anything more than cheap affordable memory.



Lastly CP2077. 2 fps for average and 6 fps for 1% lows.



I'll say this once again to be extra clear. Unless you play at lower resolution and have a beefy video card, memory has little impact on fps, even for the 1% lows.

Raise the resolution and those margins shrink to nothing.

 

[rv8000]

Alright let's start with the basics. JEDEC 4800 gives me 94ns and 6000 CL26 gives me 76ns. Anything but a X3D would be a pretty good indication of a performance difference when it comes to gaming.

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However... In a CPU intense games like BG3, there is only a 9-10fps difference from super duper Ram and basic JEDEC.... With a RTX 4090

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Moving onto CS2 and 3 fps isn't enough to convince me I need anything more than cheap affordable memory.

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Lastly CP2077. 2 fps for average and 6 fps for 1% lows.

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I'll say this once again to be extra clear. Unless you play at lower resolution and have a beefy video card, memory has little impact on fps, even for the 1% lows.

Raise the resolution and those margins shrink to nothing.

So now we’re saying EXPO 8000 c38 with GDM enabled, horrendous refresh window, un-tuned timings is the same as a “tuned” memory setup? Even when running expo timings at 6200 vs manual primaries and trfc+trefi at 6200 was a free 10 fps (3%) back when I was testing scaling in CP2077; this kind of tune can take you 10-30 mins with a quick overnight stability test if you have a or m die hynix. Not to mention properly tuned at 8000 you can take another 10ns off aida latency.

You obviously cannot test every game, but as previously mentioned, tuned memory makes the difference between 60-70, to 90-100 in a game like WoW @1440p; this is also not unique among MMOs.

 

[ir_cow]

You may want to learn a little more about memory overclocking and tuning on AM5.

You are missing the point im making. If your GPU bound, there won't be any extra fps to be had.

It's true I cannot test ever game and setup scenario, but I can generalize that the impact in minimal. I much rather take that $100 saved and buy a better video card.

If we are going to start talk about overclocking, thats a whole different topic and ways to achieve higher fps. Assuming there is no GPU bound limitations, memory latency will be slightly impactful, but higher CPU clocks increase to the FLCK will also give you a boost as well.

I'll test it this weekend. I predict that Max CPU OC and tweaked memory timings will give me a 5% increase to the 1% lows over stock 6000 CL26.

For the resident memory reviewer, that’s a pretty astonishing statement to make.

If you want the job, you can have it. I'm tired of err.. defending my stance. Talk to w1z and take it

 

[ShrimpBrime]

You are missing the point im making. If your GPU bound, there won't be any extra fps to be had.

It's true I cannot test ever game and setup scenario, but I can generalize that the impact in minimal. I much rather take that $100 saved and buy a better video card.

If we are going to start talk about overclocking, thats a whole different topic and ways to achieve higher fps. Assuming there is no GPU bound limitations, memory latency will be slightly impactful, but higher CPU clocks increase to the FLCK will also give you a boost as well.

I'll test it this weekend. I predict that Max CPU OC and tweaked memory timings will give me a 5% increase to the 1% lows over stock 6000 CL26.


If you want the job, you can have it. I'm tired of err.. defending my stance. Talk to w1z and take it

Luckily most of us understand your point 100%.

There's no point to stress out about hard tweaking memory or going for high bandwidth when it's single digit (FPS strictly speaking) performance difference isn't enough for the average user to bother buying anything considered top end unless the rest of the system is all top end. Top end CPU with mid range graphics on 1440P can pretty much use any type of memory configuration. Gotcha. Wasn't hard, totally grasp it.

Keep your job, keep your patience. You're doing just fine.

 

[Solaris17]

Hello

 

[ShrimpBrime]

There really isn't any point in overclocking the x3d CPUs. Just set a undervolt offset and let PBO do the rest.

This ^^

 

[rv8000]

You are missing the point im making. If your GPU bound, there won't be any extra fps to be had.

It's true I cannot test ever game and setup scenario, but I can generalize that the impact in minimal. I much rather take that $100 saved and buy a better video card.

If we are going to start talk about overclocking, thats a whole different topic and ways to achieve higher fps. Assuming there is no GPU bound limitations, memory latency will be slightly impactful, but higher CPU clocks increase to the FLCK will also give you a boost as well.

I'll test it this weekend. I predict that Max CPU OC and tweaked memory timings will give me a 5% increase to the 1% lows over stock 6000 CL26.


If you want the job, you can have it. I'm tired of err.. defending my stance. Talk to w1z and take it

In both games I mentioned I’m CPU bound, even at 1440p max settings (no rt), so no I’m not missing the point.

The OP’s thread is “help me OC my 9800X3D”, and additionally I brought up the fact there are games in which using a midrange-higher end GPU (9070XT) and not a “5090 @1080p low” can see large benefits by tuning memory (plopping in an expo 8000 kit is not that). Tuning some timings and or getting a ~100$ a-die kit to 6200-6400 or c28 6000 is not some kind of voodoo and absolutely falls under the topic of overclocking.

Apologies for wanting to provide the OP with an avenue to increase performance.

 

[tabascosauz]

In both games I mentioned I’m CPU bound, even at 1440p max settings (no rt), so no I’m not missing the point.

The OP’s thread is “help me OC my 9800X3D”, and additionally I brought up the fact there are games in which using a midrange-higher end GPU (9070XT) and not a “5090 @1080p low” can see large benefits by tuning memory (plopping in an expo 8000 kit is not that). Tuning some timings and or getting a ~100$ a-die kit to 6200-6400 or c28 6000 is not some kind of voodoo and absolutely falls under the topic of overclocking.

Apologies for wanting to provide the OP with an avenue to increase performance.

Guys, I think we can all lay off the jabs until OP decides to actually show up after 2 days and provides some timings and BIOS screenshots, to enable people to actually help them.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

What hardware do you have?
Are you using messing with e-clk in the bios?
What’s your cooling like? (Throttling/clockstretching)

The most important tuning to be done is locking in PBO and CO’s with ram tuning (IF tweaks depending on frequency of your memory). At most you’re going to get 100-150mhz above max stock boost for a 24/7 stable OC (5.3-5.4ghz).

My hardware is listed in my system specs.

Yes. I have set it to asynchronous mode.

360mm rad. Also in system specs.

Sure the multiplier is unlocked, but the great thing about these X3D CPUs is the difference in frame rate games form 4.7 (stock all core) to 5.7GHz (1 core boost ) is minor.

Even ram speed doesn't matter. So what your left is a CPU that benefits the most from leaving the PBO on auto and focusing on power, which in turns boosts clocks (for PBO) and lowers temperatures. Most people seems just to set a -0.10 offset and call it a day. If your lucky with a nice bin it will be - 0.15v.

I mostly play WoW so when I went from my 9900K getting 40 fps or lower in cities and raids, going the X3D improved my game play experience immensely.

You must not play any rts, mmo, or games with severe CPU limitations. EXPO 6000 c32 vs tuned 6400/8000 gets blown out of the water in minimums; personal testing in WoW in cities with heavy player population theres a difference of 30 fps (mid 80s untuned 6000 vs 8000 c36). The same goes for any raid environment with lots of physics and model spawns.

Generalized sweeping statements are a bad thing to make. Reminds me I need to revisit CP2077 memory scaling and run a couple of profiles again.

This is what I mostly play too is WoW. So i am trying to squeeze every bit of performance that I can out of my system. Going from 40 fps in Dornagul to over 200 and still using my 3080Ti is leaps and bounds better.

We talking about the same CPU? Granted I don't play MMOs, they run on a potato, can't see it stressing a X3D.

Edit: I take it back, played ESO. That runs just fine on a 10600K max settings. I see little indication that a X3D would give me higher fps. Unless... Once again you are using RTX 5090 and playing on low graphical settings and low resolution.

Stressing the X3D? No, and sure WoW can run on a potato, but the X3D chip quite likes having the extra cores and vcache.

220/180/200 +200 -25 AC

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Hello

Hey! Long time no talk! Hope youre well

Guys, I think we can all lay off the jabs until OP decides to actually show up after 2 days and provides some timings and BIOS screenshots, to enable people to actually help them.

Sorry shits been crazy with me between work and home and I try to pop in when I remember.

eCLK mode is set to Asyncronous
eclk1 frequency is set to 100
eclk2 frequency is set to 105.5
mem frequency is set to DDR5 7000 which is set by my docp1 AI Overclock tuner option
PBO set to advanced
PBO limit set to motherboard
PBO scalar ctrl set to manual
PBO overdrive scalar set to 10x
CPU Boost clock override set to enabled (positive)
max cp j boost clock override(+) set to 200

im not going to list out all the curve shaper options but most all from min to med is set to enabled > negative> 30.

but starting with high frequency to max its enabled > positive > 15

 

[cadaveca]

eCLK mode is set to Asyncronous
eclk1 frequency is set to 100
eclk2 frequency is set to 105.5
mem frequency is set to DDR5 7000 which is set by my docp1 AI Overclock tuner option
PBO set to advanced
PBO limit set to motherboard
PBO scalar ctrl set to manual
PBO overdrive scalar set to 10x
CPU Boost clock override set to enabled (positive)
max cp j boost clock override(+) set to 200

im not going to list out all the curve shaper options but most all from min to med is set to enabled > negative> 30.

but starting with high frequency to max its enabled > positive > 15

You're done. LOL. There's not much to OC these chips when using this method, and letting the CPU manage clocks on its own. You can choose a main multiplier, and a set voltage and try that too, if you like a more direct approach, or you can even turn off PBO, and just set a lower offset voltage. You decide.

PBO limit should set things so teh CPU scales higher more often now.