Best Settings for an i5-13450HX

[DanSymonds]

I'm having micro stutters on my laptop Lenovo LOQ 15IRX9 and everytime I use cinebench 23 I'm having red PL1 under core and a yellow PL2 sometimes while gaming aswell. While idling like from a desktop I'm also getting yellow EDP OTHER under ring. So what's the best optimal settings for an i5 - 13450HX?

 

[unclewebb]

red PL1 under core

Most laptops with HX processors are going to either power limit throttle if the power limits are set too low or they will thermal throttle if the power limits are set too high.

When you see PL1 lighting up red during Cinebench, try increasing the PL1 power limit in the TPL window. Clear the Disable Controls box and increase PL1. I would set both PL1 and PL2 to 162. Check the MMIO Lock box on the upper right hand side of the TPL window.

Run Cinebench. If your CPU gets too hot and constantly thermal throttles, lower both power limits. Turn on the ThrottleStop Log File option. That way you will have a record of your CPU performance and any reasons for throttling. Attach a log file if you would like me to have a look at it.

There is a guide that shows how to undervolt and setup a 14900HX. The settings for your CPU are not going to be exactly the same but it is a good place to start when learning the basics. A link to the Valour549 guide is in the TS 9.7.3 download folder.

My basic guide is set V/F Point 1 to 75. After that, set the CPU core and P cache to a negative offset undervolt of -75 mV. Play a game at this level and if your computer does not crash then you can try using a bigger undervolt. No two CPUs are the same so doing your own testing is the only way to find out what works best for your CPU.

micro stutters

Micro stutters can be a pain trying to track down. Try using a few different Nvidia GPU driver versions. Is your Intel GPU driver up to date? Maybe LatencyMon will be able to tell you what drivers might be causing issues.

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[DanSymonds]

Well I already have the latest iGPU driver and btw what is V/F Point for?

 

[DanSymonds]

What should i replace the 98?

 

[DanSymonds]

Should PL1 and PL2 have the same amount?

 

[unclewebb]

Lenovo thought it would be a good idea to add some extra voltage. This extra voltage should never be necessary. Another terrible idea from Lenovo. Set that V/F Point 8 back to 0.

If you are undervolting the core and P cache by -100 mV then set V/F Point 1 to 100.

V/F Point 1 is always the same as your undervolt but the opposite sign. Negative to undervolt the core and P cache, positive for V/F Point 1.

Set PL1 and PL2 however you like. I set them equally.

The latest driver version for anything is not always the best driver.

 

[DanSymonds]

Lenovo thought it would be a good idea to add some extra voltage. This extra voltage should never be necessary. Another terrible idea from Lenovo. Set that V/F Point 8 back to 0.

If you are undervolting the core and P cache by -100 mV then set V/F Point 1 to 100.

V/F Point 1 is always the same as your undervolt but the opposite sign. Negative to undervolt the core and P cache, positive for V/F Point 1.

Set PL1 and PL2 however you like. I set them equally.

The latest driver version for anything is not always the best driver.

aight thanks dude

 

[DanSymonds]

Lenovo thought it would be a good idea to add some extra voltage. This extra voltage should never be necessary. Another terrible idea from Lenovo. Set that V/F Point 8 back to 0.

If you are undervolting the core and P cache by -100 mV then set V/F Point 1 to 100.

V/F Point 1 is always the same as your undervolt but the opposite sign. Negative to undervolt the core and P cache, positive for V/F Point 1.

Set PL1 and PL2 however you like. I set them equally.

The latest driver version for anything is not always the best driver.

I think i need to disable CFG Lock in Lenovo's Advance Bios because I can't edit any of those settings inside V/F Point

 

[unclewebb]

In the V/F window did you check the Use Core V/F Offsets box and the Use Cache V/F Offsets box? Change the number 98 to 0 in the Profile 1, Profile 2, Profile 3 and Profile 4 boxes and then press the Apply button. Does the number 98 on the left side closest to where it says V/F Point 8 change? It should change to 0. Press the OK button to save this change.

 

[DanSymonds]

In the V/F window did you check the Use Core V/F Offsets box and the Use Cache V/F Offsets box? Change the number 98 to 0 in the Profile 1, Profile 2, Profile 3 and Profile 4 boxes and then press the Apply button. Does the number 98 on the left side closest to where it says V/F Point 8 change? It should change to 0. Press the OK button to save this change.

It's done thanks

 

[DanSymonds]

Oh btw last question, Wouldn't it be dangerous to do that to increase PL1 and PL2? Cause i've already tried and these are the result while playing Last Of Us 2 which is CPU Intensive game

 

[unclewebb]

Wouldn't it be dangerous to do that to increase PL1 and PL2?

Avoid doing anything if you think it will be dangerous.

I always feel comfortable setting the power limits higher. I know if the CPU gets too hot, it will thermal throttle to protect against any damage.

If you want to fix TVB throttling, clear the FIVR - Thermal Velocity Boost box.

 

[DanSymonds]

Avoid doing anything if you think it will be dangerous.

I always feel comfortable setting the power limits higher. I know if the CPU gets too hot, it will thermal throttle to protect against any damage.

If you want to fix TVB throttling, clear the FIVR - Thermal Velocity Boost box.

Yeah cause I already tried setting prochot to 100 C through vantage and use cinebench and I think i disabled BD PROCHOT aswell and low and behold once it touch 101 C it automatically shutdown itself and after placing it on a soft cushion

Oh I almost forgot what's the 4 power savings settings that Intel Implements for cpu to power throttle? So next time that I bought a laptop that has Intel CPU in it i'll know what to look out for

 

[unclewebb]

what's the 4 power savings settings that Intel Implements for cpu to power throttle?

I am not sure what you are talking about. Can you try to explain this question some more?

Computers with Intel processors are not supposed to do a thermal shutdown until the CPU reaches a temperature of approximately 125°C. The CPU itself handles this. Manufacturers should let the CPU mange itself. Some laptop manufacturers disagree with Intel and have decided to do a thermal shutdown at 100°C or 101°C. All you can do is buy a laptop from a different manufacturer next time.

 

[DanSymonds]

I am not sure what you are talking about. Can you try to explain this question some more?

Computers with Intel processors are not supposed to do a thermal shutdown until the CPU reaches a temperature of approximately 125°C. The CPU itself handles this. Manufacturers should let the CPU mange itself. Some laptop manufacturers disagree with Intel and have decided to do a thermal shutdown at 100°C or 101°C. All you can do is buy a laptop from a different manufacturer next time.

Oh like Speedstep, Speedshift, Thermal Velocity Boost, Locking MMIO Box, etc

 

[unclewebb]

SpeedStep is the old school method for Windows to control the CPU speed. Most recent computers enable Speed Shift Technology so SpeedStep enabled or disabled does not do anything.

Thermal Velocity Boost slows the CPU down 100 MHz when it reaches approximately 70°C. I prefer for a computer to continue to run as fast as possible until it reaches 100°C. Throttling at 100°C makes sense to protect against any damage. Throttling at 70°C does not make sense to me so I disable this in the FIVR window.

Locking MMIO locks out the secondary turbo power limits. My thoughts on this are you do not need two separate sets of turbo power limits to control a CPU. Lock out the MMIO limits and set the MSR turbo power limits to whatever you like.

Intel hired too many engineers that all got to work on creating too many control methods. Instead using one are two methods, Intel decided to use as many as possible. Some are redundant and not all that necessary.

 

[DanSymonds]

SpeedStep is the old school method for Windows to control the CPU speed. Most recent computers enable Speed Shift Technology so SpeedStep enabled or disabled does not do anything.

Thermal Velocity Boost slows the CPU down 100 MHz when it reaches approximately 70°C. I prefer for a computer to continue to run as fast as possible until it reaches 100°C. Throttling at 100°C makes sense to protect against any damage. Throttling at 70°C does not make sense to me so I disable this in the FIVR window.

Locking MMIO locks out the secondary turbo power limits. My thoughts on this are you do not need two separate sets of turbo power limits to control a CPU. Lock out the MMIO limits and set the MSR turbo power limits to whatever you like.

Intel hired too many engineers that all got to work on creating too many control methods. Instead using one are two methods, Intel decided to use as many as possible. Some are redundant and not all that necessary.

Oh do you use a laptop aswell?

 

[unclewebb]

Oh do you use a laptop as well?

I have a MSI Vector 17 with a 14900HX. It is far from perfect but so far it seems to be better than most laptops. All laptops are a compromise. You need to do a lot of tweaking and research to get maximum performance out of any high performance laptop.

 

[DanSymonds]

I have a MSI Vector 17 with a 14900HX. It is far from perfect but so far it seems to be better than most laptops. All laptops are a compromise. You need to do a lot of tweaking and research to get maximum performance out of any high performance laptop.

Is there an improvement to performance when disabling TVB?

 

[unclewebb]

Is there an improvement to performance when disabling TVB?

Thermal Velocity Boost slows the CPU down 100 MHz when it reaches approximately 70°C. I prefer for a computer to continue to run as fast as possible until it reaches 100°C. Throttling at 100°C makes sense to protect against any damage. Throttling at 70°C does not make sense to me so I disable this in the FIVR window.

 

[DanSymonds]

Aight my bad bro it's my OCD just making sure