Frametime spikes and stuttering after switching to AMD CPU?

[Pets4Ever]

His real hotspot temp is 25-30 C higher than that. Scroll up.

You had said:

Like I said, for every step above 65 C it downclocks from rated boost.

And that's what I was asking about. I said 65 C seemed rather low to be causing down-clocking (or a lowering of the boost ceiling).

 

[dgianstefani]

You had said:

And that's what I was asking about. I said 65 C seemed rather low to be causing down-clocking (or a lowering of the boost ceiling).

65 C is simply the point which going below doesn't cause the GPU to boost higher at stock, and conversely going above causes the GPU to progressively boost less. If you're manually overclocking you can leverage lower temperatures than that to give yourself headroom with voltage or clock stability etc. But we're talking about stock behaviour here.

It does seem low, but GPUs are much larger dies than CPUs, and cooling them isn't a difficult thing, it's just most manufacturers cheap out on heatsinks, fans and TIM. My 400 W 3080 Ti for instance never goes above 60 C on a waterloop, but some 150 W cards will hit 80, because they're attached to crap cooling hardware.

 

[Pets4Ever]

going above causes the GPU to progressively boost less.

This just doesn't seem right based on what I've seen in 3Dmark. I'm sure I've seen sustained max boost with hotspot temps higher than 65.

 

[dgianstefani]

This just doesn't seem right based on what I've seen in 3Dmark. I'm sure I've seen sustained max boost with hotspot temps higher than 65.

Hotspot temps are used to prevent damage and to protect various parts of die, I think there can actually be more than one hotspot sensor, it just reports the highest. Hence hard shut down at 105 C. But generally if your hotspot is at 90+, your average is above 65, so you aren't boosting to max, unless you've manually overclocked.

Like with CPU cores, a big deviation between average and hotspot is a sign there's an issue, generally. I wouldn't expect hotspot to be higher than 10-20C above average, less if you're using something like liquid metal with good contact.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

His real hotspot temp is 25-30 C higher than that. Scroll up.


Most people don't ever repaste, they just go and buy a new card. Most people don't even know about repasting. If the card doesn't have phase change paste or liquid metal it will need repasting eventually, and often is a short time, even from new. Manufacturers do bare minimum stuff most of time, and old dirty heatsinks and dried out TIMs don't make things better over time.

Personally I repaste cards with good stuff from BNIB. The factory application is generally crap, or with bad paste, or both. There's some exceptions, like ASUS using PTM/Liquid metal on new cards. Modern consumer laws also state you can open your card and the warranty void if broken stickers are illegal etc.

I meant those who do repaste which is probably 1% of buyers. Here in the states even though we have right to repair they will blame you for any gpu issue if you open it up so typically I wait till the warranty period is up.

 

[dgianstefani]

I meant those who do repaste which is probably 1% of buyers. Here in the states even though we have right to repair they will blame you for any gpu issue if you open it up so typically I wait till the warranty period is up.

Then take them to consumer court and get your refund/compensation. It's literally illegal to refuse warranty simply because the end user has opened the card. They have to prove you damaged the card when opening it. A simple repaste/clean etc is covered by warranty unless you fk it up and it causes damage.

 

[Pets4Ever]

Then take them to consumer court and get your refund/compensation. It's literally illegal to refuse warranty simply because the end user has opened the card. They have to prove you damaged the card when opening it. A simple repaste/clean etc is covered by warranty unless you fk it up and it causes damage.

Simply opening the card can't legally void the warranty (not where I live anyway), but they may still claim you damaged something I think. Best to take pics before returning anything. Maybe even video

 

[iSpeakVeryWell]

uhhhh i think its 8000hz yes

I would not go over 1000MHz on mouse, keyboard and gamepad. 1000MHz is accurate enough and over 1000MHz will add overhead on CPU for no real tangible benefits. But that my 0.02$.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Then take them to consumer court and get your refund/compensation. It's literally illegal to refuse warranty simply because the end user has opened the card. They have to prove you damaged the card when opening it. A simple repaste/clean etc is covered by warranty unless you fk it up and it causes damage.

It's such a hassle and can take 6+ months or longer because it is very low priority in the courts here. So while it might be worth it for some I don't have time for that shit lol.

To be fair CS from all these companies is so trash you probably should assume you have no warranty and just paste the card like you do.

 

[Montelo]

so what should be my next step now im kinda overwhelmed here haha

 

[biffzinker]

so what should be my next step now im kinda overwhelmed here haha

Is the Hypervisor security features in Defender enabled? You could try turning off core isolation, and the next one below it Security authority. It shows in Task Manager as Credential Guard

 

[dgianstefani]

I would not go over 1000MHz on mouse, keyboard and gamepad. 1000MHz is accurate enough and over 1000MHz will add overhead on CPU for no real tangible benefits. But that my 0.02$.

League of Legends specifically will stutter if you use more than 2000 Hz due to s**t game engine.

Most other games are fine with 4/8000Hz but your CPU has to be powerful enough, and a 5600X isn't.

I would not go over 1000MHz on mouse, keyboard and gamepad. 1000MHz is accurate enough and over 1000MHz will add overhead on CPU for no real tangible benefits. But that my 0.02$.

It's Hz, not MHz.

2-8000 have very real benefits, especially with high refresh monitors and competitive games, but he shouldn't use more than 2000 Hz for his CPU.

so what should be my next step now im kinda overwhelmed here haha

Repaste GPU, and set your mouse/keyboard to 2000Hz. Unless you're using 240 Hz+ monitor and actually have that FPS you're getting zero benefit from higher.

 

[Montelo]

League of Legends specifically will stutter if you use more than 2000 Hz due to s**t game engine.

Most other games are fine with 4/8000Hz but your CPU has to be powerful enough, and a 5600X isn't.

was no problem with the i5 11400f arent they on the same level?
friend of mine has the same keyboard

 

[dgianstefani]

was no problem with the i5 11400f arent they on the same level?
friend of mine has the same keyboard

No, 11400F is monolithic so the high polling doesn't have as much as an effect. All IO on Zen however has to go through the infinity fabric which is a 2000 MHz part at best, more likely lower. There's also latency between chiplets and IO die to take into account and you aren't cushioned with 3DVCache.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You can't compare a system unless they have identical specs, same cpu, same motherboard, some OS version etc.

 

[Montelo]

League of Legends specifically will stutter if you use more than 2000 Hz due to s**t game engine.

Most other games are fine with 4/8000Hz but your CPU has to be powerful enough, and a 5600X isn't.


It's Hz, not MHz.

2-8000 have very real benefits, especially with high refresh monitors and competitive games, but he shouldn't use more than 2000 Hz for his CPU.


Repaste GPU, and set your mouse to 2000Hz.

my mouse is at 1000

 

[dgianstefani]

my mouse is at 1000

Mouse, keyboard, whatever, they're peripherals talking to the CPU 8000 times per second. Set your keyboard to 2000 Hz at max, it's not fun writing ten messages because you need to be convinced to reduce polling rates you likely can't even use the effect of with your monitor and CPU.

 

[Montelo]

Mouse, keyboard, whatever, they're peripherals talking to the CPU 8000 times per second. Set your keyboard to 2000 Hz at max, it's not fun writing ten messages because you need to be convinced to reduce polling rates you likely can't even use the effect of with your monitor and CPU.

i already lowered it from my keyboard since someone here suggested it, i thought now u meant the mouse

 

[dgianstefani]

i already lowered it from my keyboard since someone here suggested it, i thought now u meant the mouse

That's good. It's diminishing returns the higher you go anyway, but a lot more work for the CPU. 1/0.5/0.25/0.125 latency etc. Mouse you can get better positional smoothness and accuracy from more points on the movement graph especially at higher refresh rates and resolutions, but 2000 Hz is still more than enough. I run 2-4000 Hz even though I have an 8000 Hz mouse.

 

[Montelo]

well then im gonna buy a gpu the next few days for testing purposes if that fixes my problem im gonna return the gpu and then ask a friend of mine maybe to repaste it gonna buy a train ticket then

 

[dgianstefani]

well then im gonna buy a gpu the next few days for testing purposes if that fixes my problem im gonna return the gpu and then ask a friend of mine maybe to repaste it gonna buy a train ticket then

Make sure you use DDU to remove all drivers before installing new card, and it makes more sense to repaste first, remove 90 C issue before going and buying new card.

Is the Hypervisor security features in Defender enabled? You could try turning off core isolation, and the next one below it Security authority. It shows in Task Manager as Credential Guard

Also good advice.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

well then im gonna buy a gpu the next few days for testing purposes if that fixes my problem im gonna return the gpu and then ask a friend of mine maybe to repaste it gonna buy a train ticket then

Make sure you test it in his PC after the repast that way if it stutters in your PC but not his you will rule out the GPU being the issue period.

 

[dgianstefani]

Make sure you test it in his PC after the repast that way if it stutters in your PC but not his you will rule out the GPU being the issue period.

Test before the repaste too, and clean the heatsink while the card is removed. Also check VRAM temps. If it's non conductive thick paste you can also use paste instead of pads on VRAM, but putty/pads is better.

 

[Montelo]

Make sure you use DDU to remove all drivers before installing new card, and it makes more sense to repaste first, remove 90 C issue before going and buying new card.


Also good advice.

i will give it a try i hope i dont mess it up, but its very likely that this could be the problem?

 

[dgianstefani]

i will give it a try i hope i dont mess it up, but its very likely that this could be the problem?

90 C+ is a big problem. Whether it's the problem noone knows.

It's not hard. Four screws maybe few more depending on card. Look at a guide.