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Frametime spikes and stuttering after switching to AMD CPU?

oxrufiioxo said:
Honestly the only thing that bothers me personally about it is it does not have bios flashback I feel like every board should have it and the I/O really sucks I think it only has 2 m.2 and the usb situation is sad.

The TUF really isn't better so the 40 more it cost isn't worth it either.

Those are all a you thing though you have to make those kinds of decisions it's easy for me to say you should get a 250 board when it isn't coming out of my pocket.
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Im fine with only 2 M.2 Slots i dont have a lot of USB devices either maybe like 5.

Does the Mainboard even Support the 14600KF? Or do i would need to Update the Bios (which would be hard without Bios Flashback)
 
Montelo said:
Does the Mainboard even Support the 14600KF? Or do i would need to Update the Bios (which would be hard without Bios Flashback)
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Bios flashback can potentially recover a bricked bios so it's a nice to have. I've actually needed it a few times and it has worked.

If you are ok with all the shortcomings and the board being a towards the bottom when it comes to vrm etc it's fine, I think something slightly more robust is never a bad thing but if you are ok with the bare minimum it should be fine.

The boards better than it are a pretty large jump in price 60 ish minimum so I get it though.
 
oxrufiioxo said:
Bios flashback can potentially recover a bricked bios so it's a nice to have. I've actually needed it a few times and it has worked.

If you are ok with all the shortcomings and the board being a towards the bottom when it comes to vrm etc it's fine, I think something slightly more robust is never a bad thing but if you are ok with the bare minimum it should be fine.

The boards better than it are a pretty large jump in price 60 ish minimum so I get it though.
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im only okay with it so far because a friend of mine is using it without any problems but its like a said with a 12400f, i dont know how it will work with a 14600kf
 
oxrufiioxo said:
This is the cheapest Z790 that doesn't look like it sucks that I can find.


And the only other B760 but it comes with a very similar vrm maybe just slightly better heatsinks.



Digi is from across the pond like you so maybe he will be able to find something that isn't twice the price that doesn't suck.

Amazon for some reason will only show me used prices and then when I click on them the boards are double or triple the price.
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ASUS EFI/BIOS is way better but the MSI Z790 allows proper memory OC.

The differerence between a $150 board and a $300 board is huge, much bigger than difference between $300 board and a $1000 board. But if money is tight honestly I'd get a 2*32 RAM kit instead of moving to a decent ASUS Z790 from an adequate B760.

Either way DDR5 14600K is a great platform upgrade. 2*24 @7200 or 2*32 @6800 is what you want to pair it with though. I'd also suggest returning the 9060 for an NVIDIA card, but your mileage may vary. If you still have the 3070 and the 9060, selling one and returning other should net you a 5070, which is much, much better.
 
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dgianstefani said:
Either way DDR5 14600K is a great platform upgrade. 2*16 @7200 or 2*32 @6800 is what you want to pair it with though. I'd also suggest returning the 9060 for an NVIDIA card, but your mileage may vary. If you still have the 3070 and the 9060, selling one and returning other should net you a 5070, which is much, much better.
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He using the money from the 9060 on the platform upgrade I believe.
 
oxrufiioxo said:
He using the money from the 9060 on the platform upgrade I believe.
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yea thats right haha, im tight on a budget tbh 500€ is the max i can spare

I just want to play games without any stutters just like with my 11400f

But yea that was probably the last time im gonna touch a AMD GPU aswell adrenalin felt so weird, i liked the old AMD application more that i had with my rx580 back then

i just hope that this will fix my problem

But switching to the 14600kf is a good upgrade then i guess? not a sidegrade or anything
 
Montelo said:
im only okay with it so far because a friend of mine is using it without any problems but its like a said with a 12400f, i dont know how it will work with a 14600kf
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14600K is essentially twice or more the wattage of a 12400, at full load. Under normal gaming load its like 90 W vs 60 W, especially with a lower end GPU, so in that case I'd go with the ASUS B760. If you can afford, the TUF Z790, but only if you're pairing with either of the RAM I suggested.

I'd avoid 2*16 kits, 32 GB essentially bare min for gaming rigs these days, 2*24 is so cheap, and 2*32 means you won't ever need to upgrade your RAM, but it all depends on budget.

Raptor Lake scales nicely with memory speed, especially for esports games.

Plus 7200 kits aren't exactly expensive. Maybe $10 more than equivalent 6000 kits.
 
dgianstefani said:
14600K is essentially twice or more the wattage of a 12400, at full load. Under normal gaming load its like 90 W vs 60 W, especially with a lower end GPU, so in that case I'd go with the ASUS B760. If you can afford, the TUF Z790, but only if you're pairing with either of the RAM I suggested.

I'd avoid 2*16 kits, 32 GB essentially bare min for gaming rigs these days, 2*24 is so cheap, and 2*32 means you won't ever need to upgrade your RAM, but it all depends on budget.

Raptor Lake scales nicely with memory speed, especially for esports games.
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the B760 Asus boards have similar doubled 6 phase vrms of the msi B760 board.
 
can i even run this setup with my 700w PSU?
oxrufiioxo said:
If you can squeeze that msi Z790 gaming plus in I would.

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MSI Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI, Mainboard grau/schwarz

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ill try to keep an eye out for it maybe there will a deal, the thing is it says i can get it as a "B ware" which means it was "used" before for 150€ but idk how safe it is that the board will run, i can still return it if it doesnt work but if it doesnt run it means more work
 
oxrufiioxo said:
the b760 Asus boards have similar doubled 6 phase as vrms of the msi board.
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It's not about the VRMs which are fine either way for gaming, it's just that ASUS has the only tolerable EFI, with consistent BIOS updates. Been disappointed with literally every other manufacturer. This is backed by TPU mobo reviewer too.

Montelo said:
can i even run this setup with my 700w PSU?

ill try to keep an eye out for it maybe there will a deal, the thing is it says i can get it as a "B ware" which means it was "used" before for 150€ but idk how safe it is that the board will run, i can still return it if it doesnt work but if it doesnt run it means more work
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No point Z790 unless you're getting the better RAM. For the simple gaming you're doing the B760 VRMs are fine.
 
dgianstefani said:
No point Z790 unless you're getting the better RAM. For the simple gaming you're doing the B760 VRMs are fine.
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As long as he avoids the prime boards sure those don't even have troubleshooting leds anymore.

Montelo said:
can i even run this setup with my 700w PSU?

ill try to keep an eye out for it maybe there will a deal, the thing is it says i can get it as a "B ware" which means it was "used" before for 150€ but idk how safe it is that the board will run, i can still return it if it doesnt work but if it doesnt run it means more work
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I would def spend 20 extra on this over the B760 TUF though if you can live without wifi.

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ASUS TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS D4, Mainboard

Das ASUS TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS D4 Mainboard basiert auf dem Intel®-Z790-Chipsatz und unterstützt Intel®-Prozessoren für den Sockel 1700 der 13ten un...
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I would buy the MSI board for personal use but if one did eventually want to overclock the Asus board is more user friendly.
 
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dont get a 200 euro board - get a second hand z690 from someone who moved to arrow lake to fuel their addictions.

you can get a perfect board for the 14600kf for 110 euros.

MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI Motherboard ATX, Supports Intel Processors 12th Generation, LGA 1700, 14 Duet Rail 55A VRM, DDR5 Memory Boost 6400MHz/OC, 1 x PCIe 5.0 x16, 3 x M.2 Gen4 x4, 2.5G LAN, Wi-Fi 6E: Amazon.de: Computer & Accessories

MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI Motherboard ATX, Supports Intel Processors 12th Generation, LGA 1700, 14 Duet Rail 55A VRM, DDR5 Memory Boost 6400MHz/OC, 1 x PCIe 5.0 x16, 3 x M.2 Gen4 x4, 2.5G LAN, Wi-Fi 6E: Amazon.de: Computer & Accessories
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getting a 200 euro board for a 175 euro chip on a dead socket is a bit like putting really nice rims and carbon fiber breaks on your 2007 kia sportage.

you get pcie 5.0 on the graphics slot here for the next cards - 3 nvme gen 4 + 1 nmve gen 3 - so plenty of ssd slots, plenty of io for your average gamer, and these are GREAT with OC ram profiles when you want to get spicy and overclock.

I actually had this exact model before going itx - pushing 7600 mhz DDR5 on my 13700K - ran amazing.
 
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phanbuey said:
dont get a 200 euro board - get a second hand z690 from someone who moved to arrow lake to fuel their addictions.

you can get a perfect board for the 14600kf for 110 euros.

MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI Motherboard ATX, Supports Intel Processors 12th Generation, LGA 1700, 14 Duet Rail 55A VRM, DDR5 Memory Boost 6400MHz/OC, 1 x PCIe 5.0 x16, 3 x M.2 Gen4 x4, 2.5G LAN, Wi-Fi 6E: Amazon.de: Computer & Accessories

MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI Motherboard ATX, Supports Intel Processors 12th Generation, LGA 1700, 14 Duet Rail 55A VRM, DDR5 Memory Boost 6400MHz/OC, 1 x PCIe 5.0 x16, 3 x M.2 Gen4 x4, 2.5G LAN, Wi-Fi 6E: Amazon.de: Computer & Accessories
www.amazon.de


getting a 200 euro board for a 175 euro chip on a dead socket is a bit like putting really nice rims and carbon fiber breaks on your 2007 kia sportage.

you get pcie 5.0 on the graphics slot here for the next cards - 3 nvme gen 4 + 1 nmve gen 3 - so plenty of ssd slots, plenty of io for your average gamer, and these are GREAT with OC ram profiles when you want to get spicy and overclock.
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If used is an option I would be tempted to go with this.

 
 
Montelo said:
Im just gonna get the MSI one then i think it should be enough for my needs, will my PSU be enough with 700W? for the i5 14600kf and rtx 3070.



how "safe" is it though to get a used Mobo from Amazon, there has to be a reason someone else returned it or am i wrong
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Honestly -- I've had more luck with used than new. Those boards are tested and posted, and those businesses don't make money selling bad products, you have 30 days to send it back.

If someone returns a board because it's doing weird stuff or is defective, and they resell it -- that business is taking a risk selling it again on amazon and eating the fees and the refund.

I prefer the MSI board because i've had it and it was awesome- i've not ever used the ASUS one and it's an extra 30%.

PSU is sized right for that hardware - more important the quality of it -- what kind of PSU is it?
 
phanbuey said:
Honestly -- I've had more luck with used than new. Those boards are tested and posted, and those businesses don't make money selling bad products, you have 30 days to send it back.
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i know its not about the returning part its about the "what if it doesnt work and i have to spend hours building a pc"
 
Montelo said:
i know its not about the returning part its about the "what if it doesnt work and i have to spend hours building a pc"
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No i mean - the guy who sells it to you, will take the extra 30 mins to post it and stress test it, than eat the 20 euro fee in shipping just to refund you with a used product. And that's typically more QA than they do at the factory - it's likely to come even with updated bios so you don't need to flash it with usb.

Your chances are very very good with used boards. I've had better luck with used boards than new ones for my builds.

Im on a used $90 B650M msi I spent $100 on for this 9800x3d - runs awesome.
 
Montelo said:
i know its not about the returning part its about the "what if it doesnt work and i have to spend hours building a pc"
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I mean you just have to inspect the board and socket same as you would with a new board if this is a platform you plan on keeping for a while I think the extra 30 is worth it considering you are paying 18 for shipping either way but if you don't plan on keeping it longer than a couple years it's not worth it.

I wouldn't do it lol and again the cost really comes down to how long you plan on keeping the system if you start out with a really good board you can upgrade the memory down the line for somthing much faster and squeeze a little extra out, this cpu is comparable to a 285k intel current generation best as it is at gaming so a large jump over your 5600X or Rocketlake chip.
 
phanbuey said:
No i mean - the guy who sells it to you, will take the extra 30 mins to post it and stress test it, than eat the 20 euro fee in shipping just to refund you with a used product.

Your chances are very very good with used boards. I've had better luck with used boards than new ones for my builds.
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I try my luck with a used board then maybe from amazon, maybe i will get a good deal :D.


PSU is a Be quiet Pure Power 11 700W

oxrufiioxo said:
I mean you just have to inspect the board and socket same as you would with a new board if this is a platform you plan on keeping for a while I think the extra 30 is worth it considering you are paying 18 for shipping either way but if you don't plan on keeping it longer than a couple years it's not worth it.

I wouldn't do it lol and again the cost really comes down to how long you plan on keeping the system if you start out with a really good board you can upgrade the memory down the line for somthing much faster and squeeze a little extra out, this cpu is comparable to a 285k intel current generation best as it is at gaming so a large jump over your 5600X or Rocketlake chip.
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im just looking for something i can use the next 2-3 years maybe
 
Power wise you're fine - even have a bit of room - might wanna grab a 5070ti next.... 14600K - especially if you tune it (core to 5.3-5.5, ring to 4.0-4.2, TREFI to 65535), is between a 9700x and a 7800x3d (hard to tell difference) and has much better app performance close to the stock 7900 12 core.
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I can get this one for example for 128€ thats crazy its marked as "good" though and they are not saying if its missing anything
 

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Montelo said:
I can get this one for example for 128€ thats crazy its marked as "good" though and they are not saying if its missing anything
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you can't overclock b760 dont get that. u have the same wifi, and one less SSD slot... get the board @oxrufiioxo suggested if you want something better.
 
phanbuey said:
Power wise you're fine - even have a bit of room - might wanna grab a 5070ti next.... 14600K - especially if you tune it (core to 5.3-5.5, ring to 4.0-4.2, TREFI to 65535), is between a 9700x and a 7800x3d (hard to tell difference) and has much better app performance close to the stock 7900 12 core.
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i will think about upgrading when my PC runs smooth again haha :D

phanbuey said:
you can't overclock b760 dont get that. u have the same wifi, and one less SSD slot...
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oh damn sad, it looked really good to me haha
 
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