Frametime spikes and stuttering after switching to AMD CPU?

[oxrufiioxo]

I can get this one for example for 128€ thats crazy its marked as "good" though and they are not saying if its missing anything

That's worse than the one I listed and you save 20 ish.

 

[Montelo]

That's worse than the one I listed and you save 20 ish.

didnt know my bad^^ so the Asus prime Z790 for 157€ would be a good call? i hope its still there next week

there is also the MSI MAG B760 Tomahawk for 119€

Edit: nevermind it without screws and everything

 

[oxrufiioxo]

didnt know my bad^^ so the Asus prime Z790 for 157€ would be a good call? i hope its still there next week

If you want to tune your system down the line sure it's substantially better than the MSi B760 board for 140.

Some extra risk but high reward and Amazon has an excellent return policy just stress the crap out of anything used when you get it.

 

[phanbuey]

didnt know my bad^^ so the Asus prime Z790 for 157€ would be a good call? i hope its still there next week

there is also the MSI MAG B760 Tomahawk for 119€

do not buy a B760 for a K series CPU.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

do not buy a B760 for a K series CPU.

If new I'd go with one of the Z790 boards I listed 197/199

If used I really like the prime for somthing he wants to keep 3 years 32 extra isn't terrible over the Z690.

 

[phanbuey]

z790 for 130- euro - great

z690 for 100 euro - great.

Do not look at any chipset that doesn't have a Z7 or Z6 in front of it. You don't need to spend 200 euro on a dead socket for smooth FPS, at that point just spend a bit more and get a modern platform.

 

[Montelo]

If new I'd go with one of the Z790 boards I listed 197/199

If used I really like the prime for somthing he wants to keep 3 years 32 extra isn't terrible.

i will probably try to get the asus Z790-A then if its still available next week

 

[dgianstefani]

"Dead socket" Raptor Lake has PCIE 5.0 and better gaming performance than Arrow Lake, which incidentally is also likely a "dead socket", despite being the best price/perf platform for general usage until the X3D tier. Nothing at this point from the alternatives is particularly compelling until the ~$500 X3D parts, which don't make sense unless you pair with 5070 Ti or better. We're at the end of the socket life cycle so LGA-1700 likely not having more generations besides perhaps Bartlett Lake is irrelevant information.

AM4 is a truly dead socket, as in there are no good reasons to build on it from scratch in 2025. Raptor Lake monolithic chips? Very compelling, especially for the price.

I mean AM5 with one generation left on it before AM6? Is that truly so "alive" as an alternative? Does it make sense to buy anything other than 98/9950X3D? Buying a Zen 5 part now with intent to upgrade to a single generation, is supposed to be meaningful? Zen 6 will likely come with motherboards using chipsets that aren't simple rebrands of 600 series, maybe finally ditching the dual chipset jank, so building AM5 now kinda sucks anyway since the refresh boards are still 2024 tech. Sounds like a massive waste of money to me. Raptor, Arrow, Zen 5, all decent choices, future products for sockets essentially besides the point. You'll need a platform upgrade for a meaningful upgrade in three or so years regardless of what CPU you buy today.

 

[phanbuey]

"Dead socket" Raptor Lake has PCIE 5.0 and better gaming performance than Arrow Lake, which incidentally is also likely a "dead socket", despite being the best price/perf platform for general usage until the X3D tier. Nothing at this point from the alternatives is particularly compelling until the $500 X3D parts, which don't make sense unless you pair with 5070 Ti or better. We're at the end of the socket life cycle so LGA-1700 likely not having more generations besides perhaps Bartlett Lake is irrelevant information.

AM4 is a truly dead socket, as in there are no good reasons to build on it from scratch in 2025. Raptor Lake monolithic chips? Very compelling, especially for the price.

I mean AM5 with one generation left on it before AM6? Is that truly so "alive" as an alternative? Does it make sense to buy anything other than 98/9950X3D? Buying a Zen 5 part now with intent to upgrade to a single generation, is supposed to be meaningful? Sounds like a massive waste of money to me. Raptor, Arrow, Zen 5, all decent choices, future products for sockets essentially besides the point.

Right... but you can get all of that performance for 270 euro... why spend 370?...

And if you are going to spend 370 in the name of longevity - then spend 400 then just go AM5 - and at least you will have access to Zen 6 when it comes out with minimal effort.

Arrow lake is way too expensive in germany to even recommend.

Actually spending 200 euro on a board you will keep 3-5, by upgrading one generation, makes more sense than spending 200 on something you're likely to upgrade in the next 2.

 

[Montelo]

does anyone know if i can use my AIO on socket 1700?

its a Corsair Elite Capellix H100i

 

[dgianstefani]

Right... but you can get all of that performance for 270 euro... why spend 370?...

And if you are going to spend 370 in the name of longevity - then spend 400 then just go AM5 - and at least you will have access to Zen 6 when it comes out with minimal effort.

Arrow lake is way too expensive in germany to even recommend.

Actually spending 200 euro on a board you will keep 3-5, by upgrading one generation, makes more sense than spending 200 on something you're likely to upgrade in the next 2.

Let's get some facts established.

Arrow Lake 265K 8+12 is €300 in Germany, just like the objectively inferior 9700x, which is essentially identical for gaming (+/- 3% depending on games and if 200S boost is enabled) but much slower in productivity due to being a 8+0 part. 265K productivity competition is the 9900X.

There's literally nothing compelling from Zen 5 until the X3D parts at this point, especially considering the motherboards are slightly more expensive too, so let's not try to imply it's the only good option like it was at launch.

You're also putting words in my mouth "in the name of longevity" the reason for better mobo isn't longevity, because upgrading to new CPUs almost never makes sense over buying the right performance from day 1 then upgrading CPU/Platform in five or so years. The reason for better mobo is simply better connectivity/features and BIOS.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

does anyone know if i can use my AIO on socket 1700?

its a Corsair Elite Capellix H100i

You'll need one of these afaik

LGA1700 Retrofit Kit

This retrofit kit of standoffs enables you to use your existing LGA1200/LGA115x Retention brackets and backplates for modern CORSAIR AIO coolers with the new Intel ‘Alder Lake-S’ processors that require socket LGA1700 mounting kits. Please reference the t

www.corsair.com

 

[Montelo]

You'll need one of these afaik

LGA1700 Retrofit Kit

This retrofit kit of standoffs enables you to use your existing LGA1200/LGA115x Retention brackets and backplates for modern CORSAIR AIO coolers with the new Intel ‘Alder Lake-S’ processors that require socket LGA1700 mounting kits. Please reference the t

www.corsair.com

ah okay thanks ill order this then aswell

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Arrow Lake 265K 8+12 is €300 in Germany, just like the objectively inferior 9700x, which is identical for gaming but much slower in productivity due to being a 8+0 part. 265K productivity competition is the 9900X.

There's literally nothing compelling from Zen 5 until the X3D parts at this point, especially considering the motherboards are slightly more expensive too, so let's not try to imply it's the only good option like it was at launch.

I think all he meant is you either grab a 14600k or Jump to a 9000X3D specifically for gaming anything in-between for gaming doesn't make sense.

Honestly it really just depends on what the person specifically uses their pc for their is a use case for almost any modern chips and everything has pros and cons.

 

[phanbuey]

Arrow Lake 265K 8+12 is €300 in Germany, just like the objectively inferior 9700x, which is essentially identical for gaming (+/- 3% depending on games and if 200S boost is enabled) but much slower in productivity due to being a 8+0 part. 265K productivity competition is the 9900X.

There's literally nothing compelling from Zen 5 until the X3D parts at this point, especially considering the motherboards are slightly more expensive too, so let's not try to imply it's the only good option like it was at launch.

You're also putting words in my mouth "in the name of longevity" the reason for better mobo isn't longevity, because upgrading to new CPUs almost never makes sense over buying the right performance from day 1 then upgrading CPU/Platform in five or so years. The reason for better mobo is simply better connectivity/features and BIOS.

@OP was looking to spend more for longevity...

Both zen 5 and AL are smashed by the 14600k / 14700k pricing + 130 euro z790 boards (used) or 105 euro z690.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

@OP was looking to spend more for longevity...

Both zen 5 and AL are smashed by the 14600k / 14700k pricing + 130 euro z790 boards (used) or 100 euro z690.

For gaming specifically. Don't forget that lol.

 

[dgianstefani]

@OP was looking to spend more for longevity...

Both zen 5 and AL are smashed by the 14600k / 14700k pricing + 130 euro z790 boards (used) or 100 euro z690.

Yes. So longevity in this sense is buying the best CPU within his budget now, either the 14600K or the 265K. Not the platform with the longest (a whole single upcoming generation) support.

I think all he meant is you either grab a 14600k or Jump to a 9000X3D specifically for gaming anything in-between for gaming doesn't make sense.

That's not what he wrote. But OK.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes. So longevity in this sense is buying the best CPU within his budget now, either the 14600K or the 265K. Not the platform with the longest (a whole single upcoming generation) support.

I think both will be good for a while but it's a trade off with the 14600k being a decent amount cheaper although I'm not sure what cudimm and boards that support them well run these days lol to get the most out of that 265k I still doubt you'll be able to beat a tuned 14600k at gaming though regardless wiz last test had the 285k about on par and the only experience i have with one is 6000CL30 and it was kinda slow compared to my 7950X3D with the same memory.

That's not what he wrote. But OK.

I know, but that is the way I interpreted it, but me and him go way back

 

[dgianstefani]

I think both will be good for a while but it's a trade off with the 14600k being a decent amount cheaper although I'm not sure what cudimm and boards that support them well run these days lol to get the most out of that 265k I still doubt you'll be able to beat a tuned 14600k at gaming though regardless wiz last test had the 285k about on par and the only experience i have with one is 6000CL30 and it was kinda slow compared to my 7950X3D with the same memory.



I know, but that is the way I interpreted it, but me and him go way back

Both are close enough in gaming, the 265K now with 200S enabled is much better than it was at launch. But 6+12 of next gen cores is much faster in long term than 6+8 of previous gen cores. So for general build advice I'll recommend the 265K every time, especially since it can be had for ~$250 in USA right now, with decent $150 boards.

14600K is a good pure gamer if you can get it cheap with cheap mobo too, but it is long in the tooth and a little power hungry in productivity loads, compared to Arrow Lake. For gaming the power draw differences between all three platforms is irrelevant.

People tend to forget that 265K - 14600K - 9800X3D is like a difference of 30% max, when tested with a 5090 at 720/1080p, for gaming, and that 1% low framerates start at 120 FPS (for ARL, with 200S boost off, paired with 6000 MT memory), going up to about 150/160 FPS for 9800X3D, so there are literally no bad choices of these three, just different price points. Paired with more popular 4060/3070 tier GPU, you will not notice a difference except in severely CPU limited games, like Tarkov.

 

[phanbuey]

Arrow Lake -- in that market for 500 euro for a 265k board and chip-- is straight dead. Here where you can get a 265K for $260 and a sub $400 265K bundle it's a great buy.

A tuned 14600K will slap arrow lake around all day long with memory that costs 50% less. Germany for AL you would pay almost double the money for 15% less fps.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Both are close enough in gaming, the 265K now with 200S enabled is much better than it was at launch. But 6+12 of next gen cores is much faster in long term than 6+8 of previous gen cores. So for general build advice I'll recommend the 265K every time, especially since it can be had for ~$250 in USA right now, with decent $150 boards.

14600K is a good pure gamer if you can get it cheap with cheap mobo too, but it is long in the tooth and a little power hungry in productivity loads, compared to Arrow Lake. For gaming the power draw differences between all three platforms is irrelevant.

People tend to forget that 265K - 14600K - 9800X3D is like a difference of 30% max, when tested with a 5090 at 720/1080p, for gaming, and that 1% low framerates start at 120 FPS (for ARL, with 200S boost off, paired with 6000 MT memory), going up to about 150/160 FPS for 9800X3D, so there are literally no bad choices of these three, just different price points. Paired with more popular 4060/3070 tier GPU, you will not notice a difference except in severely CPU limited games, like Tarkov.

Maybe you should ask W1z to do a 2025 cpu update with crazy memory to see how much it's improved at gaming, I would love to see it. I wasn't seening anything that great back in march for gaming But w1z is way more quaffed than me to put it through it's paces. Maybe he can get some buzz for people to actually want to buy it for gaming in the diy market. It was awesome in adobe PP 100% worth it for that.

 

[dgianstefani]

Arrow Lake -- in that market for 500 euro for a 265k board and chip-- is straight dead. Here where you can get a 265K for $260 and a sub $400 265K bundle it's a great buy.

A tuned 14600K will slap arrow lake around all day long with memory that costs 50% less.

4% performance difference between untuned 14900K and untuned ARL (which with 200S boost enabled can see up to 30% gains in certain games). You do not need to buy "50% more expensive" 9000 MT CUDIMM for ARL to tune it, that's for people whom money is no object. Both platforms are DDR5, so both platforms use the same memory.

Again, without a 5070 Ti or faster GPU, you will literally not notice the gameplay difference between ARL, RPL or Zen 5 non X3D, which are the sub 500 euro platform options. It's literally a 5% performance difference in games, when all three are tested with 6000 MT memory and the inter die clocks of ARL haven't been set to x42.

Maybe you should ask W1z to do a 2025 cpu update with crazy memory to see how much it's improved at gaming, I would love to see it. I wasn't seening anything that great back in march for gaming But w1z is way more quaffed than me to put it through it's paces. Maybe he can get some buzz for people to actually want to buy it for gaming in the diy market. It was awesome in adobe PP 100% worth it for that.

The gaming gains for ARL aren't from super fast memory, that's more of an argument for certain productivity software or epeen. The 200S gains are from inter die latency reduction by setting D2D clocks to x42 from some x thirty something at stock. Super fast memory has similar effect to Zen 5 with 8000 vs 6000 memory, it's basically marginal. But the issue with ARL was always the fact that the memory controller was on a different die to the CPU cores, so getting ~25% faster inter die clocks goes a long way to fixing that problem.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

4% performance difference between untuned 14900K and untuned ARL (which with 200S boost enabled can see up to 30% gains in certain games). You do not need to buy "50% more expensive" 9000 MT CUDIMM for ARL to tune it, that's for people whom money is no object. Both platforms are DDR5, so both platforms use the same memory.

Again, without a 5070 Ti or faster GPU, you will literally not notice the gameplay difference between ARL, RPL or Zen 5 non X3D, which are the sub 500 euro options.

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I agree but why spend more for a slower/equal cpu at a task you want to use it for. 300 vs 180 for a slower cpu doesn't make a ton of sense. That's a lot of extra money for MT performance the OP might never need.

maybe it needs a rebench but the 14600k generally matched the 285k the last time wiz tested them.

Arrow Lake Retested with Latest 24H2 Updates and 0x114 Microcode

Yesterday, Intel announced that they had root-caused the majority of Arrow Lake Core Ultra 200 performance problems, and that OS updates are already available. We tested Windows 11 24H2 with the new patches, and also compare results with 23H2 and a new motherboard BIOS.

www.techpowerup.com

The gaming gains for ARL aren't from super fast memory, that's more of an argument for certain productivity software or epeen. The 200S gains are from inter die latency reduction by setting D2D clocks to x42 from some x thirty something at stock. Super fast memory has similar effect to Zen 5 with 8000 vs 6000 memory, it's basically marginal. But the issue with ARL was always the fact that the memory controller was on a different die to the CPU cores, so getting ~25% faster inter die clocks goes a long way to fixing that problem.

If it's that impressive W1z should test it in his full suite of games maybe it might finally beat raptorlake....

 

[dgianstefani]

I agree but why spend more for a slower/equal cpu at a task you want to use it for. 300 vs 180 for a slower cpu doesn't make a ton of sense. That's a lot of extra money for MT performance the OP might never need.

maybe it needs a rebench but the 14600k generally matched the 285k the last time wiz tested them.

Arrow Lake Retested with Latest 24H2 Updates and 0x114 Microcode

Yesterday, Intel announced that they had root-caused the majority of Arrow Lake Core Ultra 200 performance problems, and that OS updates are already available. We tested Windows 11 24H2 with the new patches, and also compare results with 23H2 and a new motherboard BIOS.

www.techpowerup.com

You spend more because it was tested at stock D2D speeds and it's the current platform that's still within budget. Four extra cores and P cores being roughly 10% faster than RPL with E cores being roughly 70% faster is noticeable, even if at stock settings it sucks for gaming, being about 4% behind. That's the reason for 200S, the 8000 MT memory OC is just for marketing.

From der8auer. Again, the "difference" he highlights is 8000 vs 6400, but that's not the meaningful change.

"Muh only gaming" is only true to an extent, people don't only game. They run an operating system that has a bunch of other software, including browsers, the potential to stream, stuff like discord, a bunch of BS bloat by default if you don't tune it. Plus new AAA games are now requiring 8 core CPUs as minimum, where the same publishers used to require 6 core CPUs. Modern game engines make good use of parallelism, look at UE5 or sim games.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You spend more because it was tested at stock D2D speeds and it's the current platform that's still within budget. Four extra cores and P cores being roughly 20% faster than RPL with E cores being roughly 45% faster is noticeable, even if at stock settings it sucks for gaming, being about 5% behind. That's the reason for 200S, the 8000 MT memory OC is just for marketing.

"Muh only gaming" is only true to an extent, people don't only game. They run an operating system that has a bunch of other software, including browsers, the potential to stream, stuff like discord, a bunch of BS bloat by default if you don't tune it. Plus new AAA games are now requiring 8 core CPUs as minimum, where the same publishers used to require 6 core CPUs. Modern game engines make good use of parallelism, look at UE5 or sim games.

That is why we need a rebench so we can see the arrowlake destroya kill the 9600X and the 14600k justifying someone to spend 60% more on a 265K in germany on the CPU alone for gaming.