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TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

A trio of finds lately.

Quadro FX 1000 128M - a lower clocked FX 5800 (NV30) which is neat!

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GeForce FX 5200 128M - love the cooler on these

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3Dlabs Wildcat VP560 64M - fun find, hopefully I can see if it's capable of running any games at all which seems unlikely...

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A trio of finds lately.

GeForce FX 5200 128M - love the cooler on these

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Yeah, I've got one of those heatsinks on something upstairs in my collection :) wicked cool :)

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3DForce MX-4000 twin

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a Jaton 9500 Video-PX498 DLP 1Gb

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a GeForce GT 1030 2Gb with a "modified" heatsink heheh. didn't fit well :)

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NX8600GT with a MONSTROSITY of a sink heheh

and lo and behold... :

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FX5200 :)
 
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I didn't think they existed. I knew about the 7900GS AGP but not the 7950GT.

Does it beat the HD 3850 AGP?
Not sure but I think the 3850 will be the winner in that case, given it uses GDDR3.
 
I didn't think they existed. I knew about the 7900GS AGP but not the 7950GT.

Does it beat the HD 3850 AGP?


Ofc not... The Radeon HD3850 AGP is the ultimate fastest AGP card out there, the only rival it has is the mid range next gen Radeon HD4670 AGP, that is actually better in terms of power consumption, heat, PSU requirements, and some of them have also HDMI and other stuff... Now in terms of raw power the HD3850 is just fastest, but since the usual/ normal AGP systems use platforms like Pentium III, Pentium IV, AthlonXP or maybe Athlon64 x2 on AGP s939 system, it wont matter if someone put Radeon x1950 AGP or HD3850 AGP....

About GF 7950GT AGP, that was Radeon x1950 class card, so to even consider the HD3850 vs 7950GT is insane, since the HD3850 will wipe the floor with the GF7950, is prob x3 times faster....



Nice cards i see here, Rage Fury MAXX, GF7950GT, Ti4800se, HD3850 AWE64 Gold and 3Dlabs Wildcat... Tho i never get too excited by trashed parts from scrap with all sort of scratches, bent pins, missing SMDs and other stuff... But these days seems is harder and hard to find good stuff, that are not from the scrap, i haven't seen much rare things at the local craigslist, seem all are gone, or most.... At least i have way too many things, and i just need some in order to fill the gaps... Still i see big decline of rare and interesting old parts after 2020.... Maybe after the PLANdemic the world entered alternate reality who knows....






Since Radeon HD3850 AGP was mentioned, here is my hotfixes for that great and very rare model of HIS IceQ 3 card... The AGP bridge is getting burning hot, so adding this will help for sure, then leaving it bare... Also these very rare models of HIS came with some dumb af fan profile stock, so they overheat hard, if someone happens to have or find HIS card, just to edit the damn BIOS the fan curve, as stock is so low, it overheats the card... After the fan curve fix, the card is running cool....

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I plan to use one of these coolers, all better than original:
a) Sapphire HD4870 512MB cooler
b) HD7970 cooler
c) 3870 PCI-E cooler
d) X1950XTX reference cooler from A$$US

The hardest will be for X800 and 9800, the stock coolers are crap for 9800 and almost non-standard for X800s
6800 and 7950 if they work good, if not into the trash they go with all FSP PSUs I have, not worth trying to waste time on nVidias more than Geforce 4 and maybe 5 series, 6 is already bumpgate territory and 7 is full blown bumpgate

Better from scrap than greedy OLX/craigslist sellers which think any nVidia card is worth any penny, even more so those who think retro = loadsamoney, I gladly raise a fk you middle finger to those who think that way, you're the cause for which prices are scalper-level bad

Anyways, next boards soon will be an AW9D-MAX and a MSI K8N SLI Platinum, while I despise nForce 4 for being the most godawful heater for it at least it compensates with onboard Creative audio... the AW9D needs new BIOS and the 8400GS it comes with gets the bin since those are unneeded anywhere

Also an X1800 PCI-E in the form of a FireGL in the upcoming days
 
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I have the top high end MSI Diamond SLI 939 mobo (not sure what is the difference between the Platinum and the Diamond, aside from mine having x2 chipsets like the old boards, running at full dual x16), it has a bit better stock cooler, but when i powered it on to BIOS, after just a 2-3 minutes, i did touch the southbridge, it did burn my fingers, what a shock, did even discolorate the heatsink lmao.... Did not expect it to get so hot, just in BIOS and for brief pwr on test, but it did... God damn nGreedia chipsets are hot as hell... I like only nForce II 400 Ultra, as it is waaay better, all chipsets after that, are small, and hot to the melting point... Not sure why they added heatsink to the VRM of the platinum, but not one on the Diamond, maybe to reduce cost lol...

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Well everyone can blame scalpers, miners, retailers whatever about the current retro and modern GPUs market, but when u think about it, when there is demand about something, ppl will buy what they can, then sell it, and scalp someone... Is capitalism at its finest... Guess is only natural old stuff to get expensive, look at vintage cars, vintage watches, coins, and other collectors items.... Hell the computer market is not even that bad, compared to the rest.. What about comics and other crap, where 1 rare item can be sold for millions... Meanwhile Voodoo 5 5500, is expensive, but is not 1 million $ expensive.... Or vintage cars, some of them do sell for millions of $ and even more...
 
The AGP bridge is getting burning hot, so adding this will help for sure
Seconded, I've done the same with my Sapphire model. A flat NB heatsink with the push-pin loops cut off will work great.

My other tip would be to create an idle (2D) and game (3D) profile for the GPU, VRAM and voltage. My card would always run the highest clocks and volts, regardless of the load. That created unnecessary heat and noise, and would have posssibly shortened the card's life. I experimented with ATI Tray Tools to find the lowest/highest stable values, saved them as profiles and enabled automatic profile switching.

That way the card runs on minimum power outside of games, until the OC profile kicks in.
 
I have the top high end MSI Diamond SLI 939 mobo (not sure what is the difference between the Platinum and the Diamond, aside from mine having x2 chipsets like the old boards, running at full dual x16), it has a bit better stock cooler, but when i powered it on to BIOS, after just a 2-3 minutes, i did touch the southbridge, it did burn my fingers, what a shock, did even discolorate the heatsink lmao.... Did not expect it to get so hot, just in BIOS and for brief pwr on test, but it did... God damn nGreedia chipsets are hot as hell... I like only nForce II 400 Ultra, as it is waaay better, all chipsets after that, are small, and hot to the melting point... Not sure why they added heatsink to the VRM of the platinum, but not one on the Diamond, maybe to reduce cost lol...

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Well everyone can blame scalpers, miners, retailers whatever about the current retro and modern GPUs market, but when u think about it, when there is demand about something, ppl will buy what they can, then sell it, and scalp someone... Is capitalism at its finest... Guess is only natural old stuff to get expensive, look at vintage cars, vintage watches, coins, and other collectors items.... Hell the computer market is not even that bad, compared to the rest.. What about comics and other crap, where 1 rare item can be sold for millions... Meanwhile Voodoo 5 5500, is expensive, but is not 1 million $ expensive.... Or vintage cars, some of them do sell for millions of $ and even more...
FWIW the one I'm receiving has an actively cooled NB... no idea how but as long as it works I'm okay with that, hopefully it won't end up in smoke since it otherwise looks like a good one chipset aside (and ATi chipsets unfortunately didn't have much traction. to the public outside A8R32)

Yeah IDC about demand and supply - keep the prices enough so everyone can enjoy it. 3dfx I'm probably gonna stop here before I rant about how they were greedier than nVidia
 
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Good boards, but the damn chipsets are hot as hell... Mine i found brand new, from very old computer store, and they still have old stuff like s939 mobo, 9800GTX cards and others, they also had listed Radeon HD2900XT, sadly when i they gave me the bulk cardboard box with HD2900XT label, i opened it with excitement, to find inside some garbage small card like HD3400 or whatever the fk it was, i was so pissed, as this model is one of these i look for, and was also brand new, but some fker did steal the card and replace it with that crap... So the MSI Diamond mobo, i am sure will hold for years if i decide to make system with it, since is brand new, i will overbuild cooling, in order to try preserve that POS chipset, of cooking itself.... Yes ATi chipsets did not last much, they had like what 1-2 models or maybe 3, not sure why they did not get as popular as nForce did, prob they were like VIA lol...

As long as someone wants something, and is willing to pay ebay prices, there will be someone that will be happy to sell it to them.... 3Dfx, i am hater of that company, as when i did research about them, i got the idea that, they were more greedy then nGreedia, looong before they became nGreedia, is also why they did go bankrupt so fast, as they tough they are Intel in the video card space, they may have been for short amount of time (that being Voodoo II), then they started milking the architecture, also delay the Rampage chip, that was next gen, and was supposed to make them leap in performance (if they did launch the 3Dfx spectre cards, by the time GEforce 256 was introduced, they would have trashed them, and prob buy out the gree(D)n eNVious company), but 3Dfx delayed the Rampage, as they wanted to milk customers with i think the Banshee at the time, or was something else... Anyway 3Dfx got what they deserve, for being too arrogant, greedy, lacking innovation (yeah even ATi and MatroX had 32bir color, but we are the almighty 3Dfx, we dont need this, we have Glide and crowd of fans). They also backstabbed all AIB partners with the purchase of STB systems, crappy AIB vendor, not only they made them all go to the competitors ATi and nGreedia, but they also spend A LOT of money for it, and that was when they hit the final nail in their own coffin....

I am sad few great companies, that had promising start like Rendition, and PowerVR, got out of the game, and never to be seen... Sure PowerVR is in all Android phones, but why the hell they dont do GPUs... Their last attempt with PowerVR Kyro II, the card was amazing, and the Tile architecture was so good, they could compete with half the resorces of what nGreedia had at the time, too bad they left the market....

Seconded, I've done the same with my Sapphire model. A flat NB heatsink with the push-pin loops cut off will work great.

My other tip would be to create an idle (2D) and game (3D) profile for the GPU, VRAM and voltage. My card would always run the highest clocks and volts, regardless of the load. That created unnecessary heat and noise, and would have posssibly shortened the card's life. I experimented with ATI Tray Tools to find the lowest/highest stable values, saved them as profiles and enabled automatic profile switching.

That way the card runs on minimum power outside of games, until the OC profile kicks in.


Will see some day i may do something like this, tho is annoying.... But i think the temperatures of the system and the card was fine, i did tune the fan speed, with proper speed, so the card to run cool. But every advanced user absolutely needs, to install heatsink or at bare minimum small fan, to prevent AGP bridge chip card of frying its small bridge chip and die... Similar goes to other insane heaters like nFrorce chipsets above NF2, hot CPUs like AthlonXP and others.... nGreedia cards usually have their cooling better as the small amount of AGP bridge chip cards, have the chip on the front, and with heatsink from the factory... Tho i dont like that idea, as it heat the front of the card even more... The ATi approach is better, but they suck at the part that, they did not add more then a damn thermal pad to the AGP bridge chip, and in the case of MSI Radeon x1950 AGP, they did not even add the damn thermal pad, not that i think that pad does much anyway, but still...
 
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Sorry I was more interested in the 3DMark 2001 benchmark he had running in the background
 
Something has arrived here

6200LE - 8400GS - 9500GT - Ati HD2400

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Started the shenanigans with the 6200





Overclock give a little boost :eek:

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I Think 450mhz(900) in memory clock is a little bit too much :laugh:

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continuing...

HD2400Pro

8400GS

9500GT
 

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Is not nice, i got 2 times one of these fake 3Dfx cards, and i was pissed, since these are so rare, first time i tough great another Voodoo card, to get it, and read it is shitty Riva jeez...... Not to mention STB was nothing special as brand, better to get Diamond or MSI models... Thing is i was so pissed when i got STB card, that turned out to be not 3Dfx.... At least these are so rare, like the rubber IBM Model M, that replaces the springs with rubber lol...
 
yes it really looks almost like a voodoo 3 2000. Well STB is kind of special in my opinion because 3dfx bought them.... Anyway i like the card because a factory overclocked Riva TNT is pretty rare.
 
TNT is best used in Medion (MSI) or Diamond/Creative form. The STB cards aren't worth it. Not after the greed that was 3dfx came to be. Greed which spread to Intel and nVidia as well.

As for identifiers, Voodoo cards from STB aren't populated on the backside, unlike Riva.
 
For the TNT fine skip... But what is the problem with TNT II... These cards are about on par with Voodoo III, and only Glide save them, and the TNT II still has 32bit color, and the Voodoo III only 16bit lmao.... So i dont see the Riva TNT II as failure, or bad cards, no matter i despise nGreedia as company... If one cant get Voodoo 5 5500, in order to have both Glide and 32bit (since that card cost a small fortune these days), and V3 is also expensive, why not just get cheap TNT II Pro or even Ultra if lucky, it may be 20% slower, but compared to the top V3 3.5K, that is also expensive, would be less to V3 3K, but most 2K would get near the speeds of the 3.5K so yeah that's that.... Still i dont see reason aside from Glide, for one to be bothered with 3Dfx, and the insane prices these days, so dont see why is the hate for the TNT II, is solid series of cards.... Some ppl prefer period corrected systems, so GEforce cards are out of the question, ofc something like GF 2 MX200/400 will perform great in the place of V3 or TNT II....
 
But what is the problem with TNT II...
Geforce makes it look like amateur hour. The TNT2 is good if you want to run Windows 95(for whatever reason), but for 98SE/ME, Geforce 2, 3, 4 or 5 should be the target if one wants an NVidia GPU.
These cards are about on par with Voodoo III, and only Glide save them, and the TNT II still has 32bit color, and the Voodoo III only 16bit lmao....
Did I mention VooDoo anywhere?
Some ppl prefer period corrected systems
And that's likely a bit too persnickety. When building a retro system with a certain OS in mind, any compatible parts should always be considered, even if they're not "perfectly" period exact, the idea being that it is always better to have something be too fast and overkill, than to be too slow or not capable enough.
 
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New video from Necroware if anyone wants to watch.
 
Geforce makes it look like amateur hour. The TNT2 is good if you want to run Windows 95(for whatever reason), but for 98SE/ME, Geforce 2, 3, 4 or 5 should be the target if one wants an NVidia GPU.

Did I mention VooDoo anywhere?

And that's likely a bit too persnickety. When building a retro system with a certain OS in mind, any compatible parts should always be considered, even if they're not "perfectly" period exact, the idea being that it is always better to have something be too fast and overkill, than to be too slow or not capable enough.

I rather agree. I think there can be a good balance between period correct and speed. For example, when the games were new from a certain period, period correct hardware could still be painfully slow. A few select upgrades (even to the best or very good of the era) can drastically improve the user experience, without going all out with much newer hardware. Who wants to play old games with less than maxed out settings at 1600x1200 or better anyway?
 
Now this is cool. HD 4890 is one of my favourite cards and I also have two of them in my closet.

 
Geforce makes it look like amateur hour. The TNT2 is good if you want to run Windows 95(for whatever reason), but for 98SE/ME, Geforce 2, 3, 4 or 5 should be the target if one wants an NVidia GPU.
Actually it does not, since everything pre GEforce was amateur anyway, specially the NV1 that goes for insane amounts of money these days, no matter is joker card... The TNT II is good enough as i said for Win 98, since it has 32 bit color, is cheap, and is made in 199x, not 200x, so it is perfect...


Did I mention VooDoo anywhere?
U did not mention 3Dfx, but this is what the competitor was of the TNT and TNT II cards, not GEforce.... And yes i know the original GEforce 256 SDR was released 1999, but in the god damn end of the year, so i consider it 2000 card, more then 1999....


And that's likely a bit too persnickety. When building a retro system with a certain OS in mind, any compatible parts should always be considered, even if they're not "perfectly" period exact, the idea being that it is always better to have something be too fast and overkill, than to be too slow or not capable enough.
Actually i really agree with this here (tho i get disgusted when ppl build op 775, 1366 systems for Win XP, or AM4 systems with RTX 4090 for Win 7...), is why i have Radeon HD3850 on my AthlonXP system... I also consider that if a part is compatible with a slot or connector it should be used... Tho better AGP system is 939 with NF3 + AGP then 478 or 462....

Now this is cool. HD 4890 is one of my favourite cards and I also have two of them in my closet.


I dont, but i do have A$U$ (sadly), but in perfect condition and with whole retail box, and also it has red pcb.... Never got the idea what the deal is with that 90 model, is higher clocked then the 70, or what... Only this gen had 90 card, after that point they had HD5970 but was dual chip...
 

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I don't buy any ASUS GPUs anymore, especially not HD4800 series as their 4850 was awfully bad quality wise, and same goes for the 4870 I had. Sapphire beats them at all times.

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4870 1GB GDDR5, Sapphire. Better cooling than ASUS.

Only time I accept ASUS GPU is if it's the only card with a specific GPU and no alternatives are available, like some X800s but even those probably have other options
 
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