I5-3317u Throttling

[JBIRO]

Hello anti throttle people im shamelessly asking for what best settings for this old weak cpu i5-3317u base speed 1.6 turbo 2.4 bcz im facing some throttling issue i run TS Bench for15 mins thermal seems fine 88-89 turbo up whole time and also i have limited options on throttlestop if someone know stuff or too it would be very helpful thanks.

update 1 : i run pes 2021 before didnt throttle even at 90c but now when its hit 88-89 turbo disable instantly and when i kill the game task turbo up instantly

update 2 : i tried to run it on intel cpu instead of amd to see if its power balance issue its seems when it it 80-85 power in red show up in throttlestop and the cpu speed btwn 1.6-1.8

update 3 : screenshot (10) show the throttling after 3-4 mins of playing the game

 

[unclewebb]

Use ThrottleStop 9.7 or 9.7.3

Check the Set Multiplier box and check the SpeedStep box.

power in red show up

You have a low power U series CPU. They were not designed to run at full speed indefinitely. After a short period of time they will switch to the lower PL1 long term power limit. This forces the CPU to slow down so it does not exceed the PL1 power limit. Power limit throttling has nothing to do with the CPU temperature. Your 3rd Gen CPU has locked power limits which was typical of this era.

There is no way to fix this problem. It is running exactly as Intel intended it to run.

 

[JBIRO]

but this problem only appear last weak i was playing a lot of games and pes 2021 since 2021 without facing turbo disabled automatically even at 90c for hours i was using throttlestop for more than year now so i guarantee i didn't change any settings, so other helpful suggestion settings on that limited option cpu ? or its just time to repast thermal ?

 

[unclewebb]

but this problem only appear last week

Software updates happen all the time. You might not even notice when something running in the background changes. When you are trying to play games on a 13 year old low power U series CPU with only two cores, a slight change to some background task might be enough to force your computer to start using the lower power PL1 power limit while before it was able to use the higher PL2 power limit. That is my best guess. ThrottleStop did not change and your ThrottleStop settings did not change so it must be something else running on your computer that has caused this to change.

When the power limits are locked by the BIOS, there is no way to increase the power limits to try to fix this problem.

its just time to repast thermal ?

I do not think this is a thermal problem. POWER lighting up red indicates that it is a power limit throttling problem. You can try repasting. I do not think that will change anything.

 

[JBIRO]

im going insane man! i suspect that something changed or ruined my settings last week that caused throttle so i did a fresh win 10 install before installing anything else i installed steam and run the game the throttling still hit thats when i decide to post here i also searched a lot if someone have same issue i found one but he didnt want to give an answer how he fix it lol here is the thread : https://www.elevenforum.com/t/windows-keeps-disabling-turbo-mode.33794/page-2#post-569507

 

[unclewebb]

here is the thread

That user was having problems with a 14700HX. The newer Intel CPUs use a lot of different control methods compared to the 3rd Gen U series CPU that you have.

Try checking the Log File box in ThrottleStop and run a log file while playing for at least 15 minutes. That should show if the slow down is related to power consumption. Attach a log file to your next post so I can have a look.

Have a look in the Task Manager Details tab for CPU usage. You might see a background task working the CPU a little harder than it used to. A small change in CPU usage and power consumption is enough to drop your CPU into PL1 low power mode.

 

[JBIRO]

i checked task manager if there is some service or app use cpu seems fine all cpu used by my game exe in the log file u will see clearly when the cpu hit 89-90c turbo disabled which is in the past few week was good no disabled turbo at all and after quitting the game turbo go up to 2.4 2.5 like instantly.

 

[unclewebb]

Did you check the Set Multiplier and SpeedStep boxes like I suggested?

It definitely seems to be something temperature related that triggers the slow down. Is your room temperature higher compared to a month ago? The log file shows the 24 multiplier is being used. The moment the CPU hits 90°C, the CPU multiplier drops to exactly 17 and that becomes the new max. About a minute later it jumps back up to 24. This is not typical thermal throttling or power limit throttling so something else is going on. The 4th Gen and newer CPUs have more features built in so they can report the reasons they are throttling. Your 3rd Gen does not have that monitoring ability.

Is your battery completely dead? Will your computer crash the moment you unplug it? Has there been any change recently to how dead your dead battery is?

In the Options window check the Disable Chipset Throttle box if this setting is available to you. This was a throttling method used on some of the early Intel CPUs like you have.

 

[JBIRO]

Yes i check the set multiplier and speedstep boxes and about room temp no i didnt change the place at all but i always avoid playing at the peak hate wave, the battery is dead 4years ago and its unplugged and disable chipset throttle is checked too so last solution is repast thermal right ?

 

[unclewebb]

If the CPU reaching 90°C really is the trigger that is causing this then repasting to try to keep the CPU under that temperature might work. Thermal throttling is not supposed to start until 105°C. The manufacturer must have designed some other type of throttling scheme that controls this. I have never encountered anything similar at least not in recent memory. I do not see this type of throttling on the 4th Gen and newer CPUs.

 

[JBIRO]

Alright, thanks for help and being patient with me. i hope repast will solve the problem.

 

[unclewebb]

I just remembered a trick. Try checking the TDP Level box. Set this to Level 2 and check the Lock box so this setting does not change. On the 3rd Gen U, the default multiplier changes when the TDP Level changes. Maybe this will finally solve your problem.

 

[JBIRO]

Do u mean this :

i set 2 but this is what i got after clock apply :

update : ikeep that settings down 1 i test the game and i think somehow we r close to fix this turbo up whole time but when 90c hit the turbo goes down all the way to 790 800 mhz temp go down to 83-88 turbo up here is my log file too

 

[unclewebb]

Some CPUs only use TDP Level 0 and Level 1. I would lock this to Level 0.

Use TS 9.7.3

It looks like BD PROCHOT throttling down to 800 MHz. The new TS version should let you disable and lock BD PROCHOT.

 

[JBIRO]

by default before touch anything was default 0 ==> 90c ==> turbo disabled till kill the exe task but when u i switched to down 1 turbo up all time ===>90c turbo down to 800mhz till cpu cool lil bit 83-88===> turbo up till temp hit 90c again etc
and about BD PROCHOT yes its already disabled so until the repast ill stick to down 1 but i need to know if its bad for cpu ? bcz u said "I would lock this to Level 0."

 

[unclewebb]

BD PROCHOT yes its already disabled

When you use TS 9.7.3 and you cycle BD PROCHOT on and off, it will remain locked in the disabled position. That is what you want. Older versions of TS were not locking this setting so some computers would turn BD PROCHOT back on causing the CPU to drop to 800 MHz. That might be your problem.

if its bad for cpu ?

No one in any forum can tell you what is good or bad for your CPU. If you are ever concerned about something, do not do it. Your CPU has been running for the last 13 years so chances are pretty good that it will continue to run well. If one of my computers ever blows up, I can easily use one of my other computers or buy a new one. Not everyone has both of those options.

I would lock TDP Level to 0 and I would disable and lock out BD PROCHOT.

90°C

Intel set the thermal throttling temperature of your CPU to 105°C. That shows Intel is comfortable with the 3317U being able to run reliably at high temperatures.

Intel® Core™ i5-3317U Processor (3M Cache, up to 2.60 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i5-3317U Processor (3M Cache, up to 2.60 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

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The manufacturer of your device thinks that 90°C is getting too hot so it created its own throttling scheme that is activated way before the Intel specification. I have no idea why they did this. They might be trying to protect some under designed component somewhere else on the motherboard or perhaps they are just trying to protect their customer's laps from high temperatures.

It is up to you to decide what to do about this situation. I am never willing to accept any throttling scheme that drops a CPU down to only 800 MHz. That is not necessary. It is just poor design, especially at only 90°C. Intel thermal throttling works fantastic. The Intel method maintains maximum performance when thermal throttling is necessary. The scheme kicking in at 90°C does not do that.

 

[JBIRO]

When you use TS 9.7.3 and you cycle BD PROCHOT on and off, it will remain locked in the disabled position. That is what you want. Older versions of TS were not locking this setting so some computers would turn BD PROCHOT back on causing the CPU to drop to 800 MHz. That might be your problem.

well 1st part long story shorts : i was using my original ac adapter before and after this issue shows up the connector damaged maintenance guy fix it but cut the ground wire idk why the lab stat slow at base of 800 mhz i panicked search web found throttlstop uncheck BD PROCHOT my cpu speed is back for more than a year now but thats not the problem bcz iwas playing while turbo up whole time at 90 91 c no problem till last week.

second part is 9.7.3 version when i check on and off BD PROCHOT my cpu limited at 800 mhz whole time whether turbo on/off idle no matter what 800 mhz fixed and that not an issue in other release eg 9.6

 

[unclewebb]

when i check on and off BD PROCHOT my cpu limited at 800 mhz

Not sure why this happens. Go back to using TS 9.6

 

[JBIRO]

Yes ill use TS 9.6 for now. i need a confirmation from u as i remember before this throttling issue i was experimenting Lossless scaling for about 2 weeks trying to squeeze fps from every game im playing i didn't use it too much but i was testing it so much during that 2 weeks is that caused something bad to cpu/gpu driving them to the maximum i remember i hit 92-93c during test especially for specs that old maybe the repast is the solution ?