8800gs

[trt740]

9600GT = More ROPS, Less Shaders, More Memory, Higher memory bus, Higher clock speeds.
8800GS = Less ROPS, More Shaders, Less Memory, Lower memory bus, Lower clock speeds.
---------- 16 > 12 ---- 64 < 96 ----- 512 > 384 ---- 256 > 192 ----- 650/1625 > 550/1375

so imo its 9600GT ftw. having said that the 8800GS seems to be a match in reality, but not on paper. in a year or so if people still use them we'll see what comes in more handy.

You forgot the 8800gs has more on chip transitors, millions more, 249 million to be exact ( making it's Gpu much more powerful than the 9600 gt),and 32 more shaders, not just a few more, a third more. To slow it down they lessened the bus speed to 192bit and cut it's memory or basically it would be a 8800 gt. They are gonna make one with 768 mb of ram and it will kill a 9600 gt 512mb.

 

[Titus]

That's may be fun a 8800GS with a flashed bios edited @ 384bit mem bus

But i didn't found this option even in NiBiTor V3.8 ( today released ).

 

[Solaris17]

it cant be done via nibitor....the bus is physical.

 

[Titus]

it cant be done via nibitor....the bus is physical.

THX

 

[lie495s14]

i have either bad ram or voltage is hardware limited. so anybody see the pencil vmod coming ?

 

[wolf]

You forgot the 8800gs has more on chip transitors, millions more, 249 million to be exact ( making it's Gpu much more powerful than the 9600 gt),and 32 more shaders, not just a few more, a third more. To slow it down they lessened the bus speed to 192bit and cut it's memory or basically it would be a 8800 gt. They are gonna make one with 768 mb of ram and it will kill a 9600 gt 512mb.

it would appear at least for the moment ROPS and clockspeeds impact performance more, and sure its 50% more shaders, but the 8800GT has even more than that and the 9600 is shown to only trail it by a tiny margin in benchies....

 

[lie495s14]

9600GT = More ROPS, Less Shaders, More Memory, Higher memory bus, Higher clock speeds.
8800GS = Less ROPS, More Shaders, Less Memory, Lower memory bus, Lower clock speeds.
---------- 16 > 12 ---- 64 < 96 ----- 512 > 384 ---- 256 > 192 ----- 650/1625 > 550/1375

so imo its 9600GT ftw. having said that the 8800GS seems to be a match in reality, but not on paper. in a year or so if people still use them we'll see what comes in more handy.

8800GS = .... .... .... .... Cost less.

($140)

 

[wolf]

the price of the 9600GT will settle to lower than it is atm i can tell you that.

but a valid point, if you went out today looking for a midrange card in that price range, it'd be a tough call.

also im pretty sure the 9600GT is a new (albeit G9x) core, and is not made of the G92 cores that didnt make the cut in being 8800 G92's.

maybe they just took the defective G92's and the defective G80 memory subsystem and chopped then in twain to make us a cheapo gfx card for the meantime.

and price aside its still 9600GT imo.

 

[trt740]

it would appear at least for the moment ROPS and clockspeeds impact performance more, and sure its 50% more shaders, but the 8800GT has even more than that and the 9600 is shown to only trail it by a tiny margin in benchies....

if that were true the 8800 gts 640 would be faster than the 8800 gts 512mb because it has 20 ropes , but it's not the shaders are the most important item, The 8800 gts 512mb has more and they are faster and has more transistors on it's gpu than the 800 gts 640 mb making the 800 gts 512 alot faster. The most important thing is how much you can overclock the 9600 gt to overcome these things.

 

[Titus]

I went reading a news on 9600GT release in France.
How i said earlyer, the 9600 serie isn'nt a real brand new core.
It's based around G92 capacities ( PCI-E 2, ... ) and it's optimized for new multimedias needs as BR and HD-DVP ( RIP ) playing rules ( H264 and VC1 full compatibility ), Pure Video 2 etc ...

The G100 will be a real brand new core with better arguments ( 512bit bus ... ).9600GT is a full effective midrange card, the 8800GS a castrated high end card ...

 

[trt740]

I went reading a news on 9600GT release in France.
How i said earlyer, the 9600 serie isn'nt a real brand new core.
It's based around G92 capacities ( PCI-E 2, ... ) and it's optimized for new multimedias needs as BR and HD-DVP ( RIP ) playing rules ( H264 and VC1 full compatibility ), Pure Video 2 etc ...

The G100 will be a real brand new core with better arguments ( 512bit bus ... ).9600GT is a full effective midrange card, the 8800GS a castrated high end card ...

no one could just as easly say the 9600 gt is under powered , has too few shaders and it's gpu is a hacked and underpowered version /of the G92 core. I wouldn't say that but following your line of thought one could.

 

[trt740]

it's a G94 GPU

 

[trt740]

Oh as a aside my 8800gs dropped 10.00 since I bought it 5 days ago to 149.00 shippped and now comes with a free 4gb jump drive. I emailed new egg they credited me 10.00 and are sending me the jump drive ya gotta love newegg.

 

[wolf]

if that were true the 8800 gts 640 would be faster than the 8800 gts 512mb because it has 20 ropes , but it's not the shaders are the most important item, The 8800 gts 512mb has more and they are faster and has more transistors on it's gpu than the 800 gts 640 mb making the 800 gts 512 alot faster. The most important thing is how much you can overclock the 9600 gt to overcome these things.

i still disagree, you have to keep in mind the clock speed differences when you compare cards, lets take your example the two GTS's

the G80GTS was clocked at 500 core and 1200 shaders
the G92GTS is clocked at 650 core and 1625 shaders

the core clocks x ROPS gives the new GTS a slight edge in pixel fillrate,

500mhz x 20 ROPS = 10.0 Gigapixels
650mhz x 16 ROPS = 10.4 Gigapixels

but like the 8600 series it can address 8 textures per clock, up from 4 in the G80, so it has a massive texturing edge. (~40 gigapixels as oppose to ~12)

so the 8800GS may have more texturing ability, but in terms of sheer pixel fillrate, which is where the bulk of your fps and AA grunt come from, the 9600GT is winnar.

8800GS = 550mhz x 12 ROPS = 6.6 Gigapixels
9600GT = 650mhz x 16 ROPS = 10.4 Gigapixels

 

[trt740]

i still disagree, you have to keep in mind the clock speed differences when you compare cards, lets take your example the two GTS's

the G80GTS was clocked at 500 core and 1200 shaders
the G92GTS is clocked at 650 core and 1625 shaders

the core clocks x ROPS gives the new GTS a slight edge in pixel fillrate,

500mhz x 20 ROPS = 10.0 Gigapixels
650mhz x 16 ROPS = 10.4 Gigapixels

but like the 8600 series it can address 8 textures per clock, up from 4 in the G80, so it has a massive texturing edge. (~40 gigapixels as oppose to ~12)

so the 8800GS may have more texturing ability, but in terms of sheer pixel fillrate, which is where the bulk of your fps and AA grunt come from, the 9600GT is winnar.

8800GS = 550mhz x 12 ROPS = 6.6 Gigapixels
9600GT = 650mhz x 16 ROPS = 10.4 Gigapixels

no your wrong the 9600 gt will not outperform a 8800 gs they will perform the same when you turn on the eye candy the 8800 gs will pull away when both are overclocked to the max potential.
Your looking at defaults my 8800 gs when overclocked will do 715/1750/2000 24/7
and there are many 8800gs that come stock at 680/1700/1600 that have a higher fill rate then your listed 9600gt. These cards are ment to run neck and neck. my card is also a lower end 8800 gs there are several running faster with better ram.

 

[Solaris17]

no your wrong the 9600 gt will not outperform a 8800 gs they will perform the same when you turn on the eye candy the 8800 gs will pull away when both are overclocked to the max potential.
Your looking at defaults my 8800 gs when overclocked will do 715/1750/2000 24/7
and there are many 8800gs that come stock at 680/1700/1600 that have a higher fill rate then your listed 9600gt. These cards are ment to run neck and neck. my card is also a lower end 8800 gs there are several running faster with better ram.

you dont even know that for sure your basing what you know off of my card and probably other cards at sites were they dont know what their doing...

 

[candle_86]

the 9600GT is 12 rops yall, what are you aruguing about

 

[trt740]

you dont even know that for sure your basing what you know off of my card and probably other cards at sites were they dont know what their doing...

I think wizzard know whats hes doing and has tested both cards and says the 8800gs is the better deal at the current time. He also indicates the performence of both cards are similar. If some one can actually show me a test that shows a difference in performance when overclocked. I will return this card and buy a 9600 gt.

 

[PaulieG]

Wow, why all of the bickering about this guys? There are too few people who have the 9600GT, so there is no real "sample group". I'll have my 9600GT tomorrow night. Once more people have both of these cards, we should start a "3dmark06 9600GT vs. 8800GS" thread, which should give us an idea which is the better card.

 

[trt740]

Wow, why all of the bickering about this guys? There are too few people who have the 9600GT, so there is no real "sample group". I'll have my 9600GT tomorrow night. Once more people have both of these cards, we should start a "3dmark06 9600GT vs. 8800GS" thread, which should give us an idea which is the better card.

thats just it neither is better

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Wow, why all of the bickering about this guys? There are too few people who have the 9600GT, so there is no real "sample group". I'll have my 9600GT tomorrow night. Once more people have both of these cards, we should start a "3dmark06 9600GT vs. 8800GS" thread, which should give us an idea which is the better card.

and a lot of ppl have the 8800GS?

 

[Titus]

no one could just as easly say the 9600 gt is under powered , has too few shaders and it's gpu is a hacked and underpowered version /of the G92 core. I wouldn't say that but following your line of thought one could.

I wanted to say that the G94 is not a brand new core as we ould see with generations before. The G94 starts from a G92 architecture and adds some improvements ( better HD comatibility for BR and HD-DVD play back ). I never wanted saying the 9600GT was an unpowered card, just a powerfull card, contrary to 8800GS which are slown cards.
The 9600GT has less shaders etc... but has a better memory bus and takes on board more memory for a similar price as 8800 GS ( same price in France ).
With a nice core as the G94, the 9600Gt is a real great card.
The 8800GS is a good card too but its " repacked deficients G92 " status does'nt let me an homogeneity in results : too much disparities in results ( in O/C essentially ).

I hope G94 will reserve us great new cards

 

[trt740]

I wanted to say that the G94 is not a brand new core as we ould see with generations before. The G94 starts from a G92 architecture and adds some improvements ( better HD comatibility for BR and HD-DVD play back ). I never wanted saying the 9600GT was an unpowered card, just a powerfull card, contrary to 8800GS which are slown cards.
The 9600GT has less shaders etc... but has a better memory bus and takes on board more memory for a similar price

no the G94 is a revised version of a G92 even the new 9800 will not use that core it is designed for the lower end geforce cards. The 8800 gs core was ment for the higher end cards.

 

[Titus]

no the G94 is a revised version of a G92 even the new 9800 will not use that core it is designed for the lower end geforce cards. The 8800 gs core was ment for the higher end cards.

Yes, that what i wanted to say : not a brand new core for the 9600GT and and slown top core for the 8800GS
The 9800GX² uses G92 cores : it's realy not a new core, just a dual 8800GT card. So the HD multimedia enhancement isn't integrated

Wait and see the G100

 

[divinebaboon]

You forgot the 8800gs has more on chip transitors, millions more, 249 million to be exact ( making it's Gpu much more powerful than the 9600 gt),and 32 more shaders, not just a few more, a third more. To slow it down they lessened the bus speed to 192bit and cut it's memory or basically it would be a 8800 gt. They are gonna make one with 768 mb of ram and it will kill a 9600 gt 512mb.

Um did you say KILL?

Benchie of 768MB 8800GS vs 9600GT
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12478&d=1203985570

The 9600GT performed bit better than the 8800GS 786MB on high res high AA 3dmark 06 and Half life 2,while 8800GS 786MB performs 10% better on bioshock and 16%ish better on Crysis. I wouldn't say KILL...really.