Riding the Crypto wave

[hat]

Yes but the 1070 is a 256-bit card while the 1050Ti is only 128-bit. DaggerHashimoto is indeed very memory heavy, but the 1070 has much stronger memory than the 1050Ti due to being clocked higher and double the bus width. However... the 1070 GPU is also much stronger. 2.5x the shaders, clocked much higher, double the ROPs...

But card performance is not the only factor. Sure some cards are inherently better than other cards at specific algorithms for one reason or another, but how well those algorithms are doing at the moment matters just as much, if not more. If ETH value shot up to $1000 tomorrow, even the 1080s with their crappy (ETH mining-wise) GDDR5x would be mining ETH. That's why Nicehash bounces around from algorithm to algorithm even on the same system where nothing else has changed, because it found better profitability with another algorithm besides the one it's running currently.

 

[Divide Overflow]

AMD released a beta driver that fixes the Ethereum mining Hash rate degradation on Polaris and Vega cards.
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-art...eta-for-Blockchain-Compute-Release-Notes.aspx

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Be very careful with the loading of your gpus into your motherboards , devastating things can happen if it all goes wrong , ill elaborate more with pictures when I have a pc working.
But four pciex slots does Not mean four Gpu capable, unless on riser's with powered usb ends of course.

I did have silver lining moment in that I've a New motherboard ,only a 990x but no point going crazy and i was saving money for 1x vega 64 ,i think I got the last uk one too ,im calling it research.

 

[trog100]

a simple or maybe not so simple question.. i have been looking at ready built mining rigs on ebay.. in a lazy mood..

for around 4 grand or a bit over i can buy an 8 x 1070 ring.. plug and play so to speak..

i could probably build one for just over 3 grand.. i am talking UK pounds not dollars.. although allowing for UK 20 vat a dollar pound swap would not be far out..

how long would it take to get my money back.. it would pull about 1000 watts from the wall..

trog

 

[cdawall]

Has to do with their performance in those algorithms. The 1080, for example, will probably never run ETH because the 1080 uses GDDR5x, which performs worse than the plain old GDDR5 found on the 1070. The 1070 probably doesn't run ETH as often as the 1050Ti because the 1070 is a much beefier card which will perform better in other algorithms, like equihash, that the 1050Ti would fall short in. The same logic applies to the 1080 (and 1080Ti of course), the rest of the card is stronger than the 1070, but the GDDR5x is weaker when it comes to running ETH, so it's much more suited for equihash or something.

My 1070 box still runs ethereum. It is most profitable dual mining ethereal/lbry

usb based risers do not use the usb protocol at all.

the usb cables are just to transmit the pcie signals. it does not use the usb protocol at all. the usb cables are just used because they have enough signal lines, are shielded, have enough bandwidth, easy to source and are commonly available in decent lengths.

they could of used any cables, rs 232 or vga cables for instance. usb cables are easier, cheaper, smaller. so thats what they used.

the boards you see added onto the mobo have pcie lane splitter logic. so they would have to incorporate all that pcie lane splitting logic on the mobo. easier to just design add in boards with all that splitter logic on it for that.

Correct thank you for repeating what I said with "there is no logic in the riser it is just a pin out"

The pcie lanes are not split on any of the boards out currently you could have 20 pcie (in usb adapted form) without doing anything. Add lane splitting from the chipset and you are at 36 on z270?

The 100 from that new biostar board has plx logic on the cards, but that cost money the 36 usb (pcie adapted) per board would be no more expensive than anything else on the market.

 

[verycharbroiled]

AMD released a beta driver that fixes the Ethereum mining Hash rate degradation on Polaris and Vega cards.
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-art...eta-for-Blockchain-Compute-Release-Notes.aspx

Only problem is it does not work with Windows 7. Claymore 9.8 crashes as soon as it connects to the pool.

And in Windows 10 there seem to be issues with power draw, clock settings, and voltage settings.

Correct thank you for repeating what I said with "there is no logic in the riser it is just a pin out"

The pcie lanes are not split on any of the boards out currently you could have 20 pcie (in usb adapted form) without doing anything. Add lane splitting from the chipset and you are at 36 on z270?

The 100 from that new biostar board has plx logic on the cards, but that cost money the 36 usb (pcie adapted) per board would be no more expensive than anything else on the market.

I think we're talking past each other.

Where would you find room on the motherboard put all those plx chips, usb sockets and associated logic?

 

[cdawall]

I think we're talking past each other.

Where would you find room on the motherboard put all those plx chips, usb sockets and associated logic?

Thats what I wish they would release for anything less than 36 lanes it doesn't need plx logic.

 

[verycharbroiled]

Thats what I wish they would release for anything less than 36 lanes it doesn't need plx logic.

Ah, gotcha. Understood.

 

[trog100]

i have just priced up a mining rig using 8 x 1060 3 gig cards.. i have read that 3 gb is enough for now but in the future might not be.. the snag being that 6 gb 1060 cards cost 50% more than 3 gb ones do.. he he

this adds 800 bloody quid to an 8 card the machine..

the other option would be a machine based on 6 x 1070 cards.. the cost is about the same as 8 x 1060 6 gb cards.. the 1060 6 gb cards being somewhat over priced..

1060 3 gb = £200.. 1060 6 gb = £300.. 1070 = £400.. the 8 x 1060 3 gb seems a no brainer but not if its likley to suffer from not enough memory in the near future..

any thoughts chaps..

trog

 

[Halo3Addict]

i have just priced up a mining rig using 8 x 1060 3 gig cards.. i have read that 3 gb is enough for now but in the future might not be.. the snag being that 6 gb 1060 cards cost 50% more than 3 gb ones do.. he he

this adds 800 bloody quid to an 8 card the machine..

the other option would be a machine based on 6 x 1070 cards.. the cost is about the same as 8 x 1060 6 gb cards.. the 1060 6 gb cards being somewhat over priced..

1060 3 gb = £200.. 1060 6 gb = £300.. 1070 = £400.. the 8 x 1060 3 gb seems a no brainer but not if its likley to suffer from not enough memory in the near future..

any thoughts chaps..

trog

I'm going to be building a 5x 1060 6GB rig next week hopefully, I'll let you know my results. US prices they were $300 each

 

[trog100]

i have just checked scan prices.. a well known UK store for hardware and stuff..

i can buy 8 X 1060 3 gb cards for £1600.. 8 X 6 gb cards pumps the price up to £2400..

mining will not be as profitable in the UK.. the hardware costs more and our power bills will be higher..

i am now looking at 6 X 1070 cards.. they would cost me about the same as 8 X 1060 gb cards.. ether way at current hardware prices its gonna set me back £2400-ish if i risk it with the 3 gb cards or over 3 grand if i go ether of the other two ways..

the mining demand is pushing the cost of the 1060 6 gb cards up high.. the 1070 cards not so high and 1060 3 gb cards not much at all..

just for comparisons sake allowing for 20% UK tax on everything we buy we seem to be running a straight pound for dollar swap.. what would cost $300 dollars in the US costs £300 pounds in the UK..

trog

 

[hat]

+1 on 6 1070s

 

[trog100]

+1 on 6 1070s

i recon that would be the way.. i have ordered an 8 card rack and if i fit two 850 watt PSUs or maybe two 700 watts i could start off with 6 x 1070s and add a couple more later when i recover from spending too much f-cking money all in one go.. he he

trog

 

[Halo3Addict]

i recon that would be the way.. i have ordered an 8 card rack and if i fit two 850 watt PSUs or maybe two 700 watts i could start off with 6 x 1070s and add a couple more later when i recover from spending too much f-cking money all in one go.. he he

trog

That's why I went with the 1060s, a lot of initial investment for something I've never tried. If this goes well, I will re-evaluate the market and hardware costs in a year and perhaps invest in another rig. Something more aggressive

 

[hat]

Just compared the 1070 with the 1060 (6GB) with the Nicehash calculator (the 1060 3GB doesn't seem to be available there anymore). The 1070s should do a little better than the 1060s while being a little more efficient. The difference isn't huge though.

 

[toilet pepper]

Any idea how the new GTX1080 11gbps perform with nicehash? Is it any different from the current normal 1080 performance which is worse than the 1070?

 

[cdawall]

Any idea how the new GTX1080 11gbps perform with nicehash? Is it any different from the current normal 1080 performance which is worse than the 1070?

Mine equihash, push the ram as high as you can.

 

[silkstone]

I upgraded recently and now have a 1060 3gb, 1080 and 7870 mining.

I'm averaging ~ 900 H/s on ZEC and so quite happy.

Since the fan on the 7870 died, I've been using a 3A 80mm fan that sounds like a jet engine on 100%. I've ordered a replacement fan, but it'll take a while to get here

 

[trog100]

what i am not sure of is the viability of the 1060 3 gb card.. some say that 3 gb of vram wont be enough soon..

does anyone have any thoughts on this.. i am researching but my knowledge is still at the noob level..

at the prices i am looking at for an 8 X 1060 rig i am looking at an £800 quid difference between 3 or 6 gig cards..

there is a nice (new) 8 x 1060 6GB rig for sale on ebay.. the guy wants £3500 for it.. i offered him £3200 cash on collection and he refused the offer..

£3200 is about the build cost i have arrived at with current UK prices with ether of my more than 3 GB options..

trog

 

[trog100]

Just compared the 1070 with the 1060 (6GB) with the Nicehash calculator (the 1060 3GB doesn't seem to be available there anymore). The 1070s should do a little better than the 1060s while being a little more efficient. The difference isn't huge though.

i think 6 x 1070 cards will be roughly similar to 8 X 1060 cards.. currently (in the UK at least) the price to buy and power running costs would be about the same.. i recon i will go for the 6 X 1070 option and leave room for a couple more 1070s later..

trog

ps.. well.. the deed is done.. all i have to do now is figure out what to do with all the bits i am about to receive.. he he..

Asus Prime Z270 A Kaby Lake SLi/CrossFire ATX Motherboard $155

Corsair RM850x modular PSU.. £118 X 2 = £236

Corsair 8GB DDR4 Vengeance LPX 2133MHz Memory Kit for Skylake £70

EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 SC 8GB ACX 3.0 Black Edition £400 X 6 = £2400..

Intel Core i3 7100 Kaby Lake Desktop Processor/CPU £100

 

[yotano211]

i think 6 x 1070 cards will be roughly similar to 8 X 1060 cards.. currently (in the UK at least) the price to buy and power running costs would be about the same.. i recon i will go for the 6 X 1070 option and leave room for a couple more 1070s later..

trog

ps.. well.. the deed is done.. all i have to do now is figure out what to do with all the bits i am about to receive.. he he..

Asus Prime Z270 A Kaby Lake SLi/CrossFire ATX Motherboard $155

Corsair RM850x modular PSU.. £118 X 2 = £236

Corsair 8GB DDR4 Vengeance LPX 2133MHz Memory Kit for Skylake £70

EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 SC 8GB ACX 3.0 Black Edition £400 X 6 = £2400..

Intel Core i3 7100 Kaby Lake Desktop Processor/CPU £100

You dont need 8gb of Ram and a i3 processor, you can do with any Celeron cpu.

 

[trog100]

You dont need 8gb of Ram and a i3 processor, you can do with any Celeron cpu.

i know.. i always tend go a little over the top.. the difference isnt much relative to the cost of all the other bits.. i was a bit surprised how much ram has gone up in price..

the biggest saving would have been from using 8 x 3 GB 1060 cards.. i could have saved £800 quid that way..

i have also spent a £100 quid on a nice looking 8 card open frame as opposed to the more common home made wooden efforts..

i still aint entirely sure about using two PSUs ether.. information is very conflicting about that one..

trog

 

[notb]

i know.. i always tend go a little over the top.. the difference isnt much relative to the cost of all the other bits.. i was a bit surprised how much ram has gone up in price..

the biggest saving would have been from using 8 x 3 GB 1060 cards.. i could have saved £800 quid that way..

i have also spent a £100 quid on a nice looking 8 card open frame as opposed to the more common home made wooden efforts..

I see you're not getting into mining for the money. For what then? There are cheaper ways of making your house warm, you know...

 

[trog100]

I see you're not getting into mining for the money. For what they? There are cheaper ways of making your house warm, you know...

i am getting into mining partly for something to play with and a feeling that if i dont i may be missing out.. he he..

as to money its all an unknown.. i dont think i am gonna lose out and i may make something.. but it will be an interesting trip finding out..

most things i get interested in (hobbies) cost me money.. the odd one makes me money.. but when the bug bites i kind of have to go for it.. he he..

trog

 

[R-T-B]

There are cheaper ways of making your house warm, you know...

Considering it has the opurtunity to pay a net profit, I kind of doubt it. Unless you are talking upfront cost.