Official Intel KF/F pricing

[R0H1T]

Speaking of bashing Intel, how about an auction only space heater
Intel Core i9-9990XE : Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only

 

[Shambles1980]

intels pricing will change if people dont buy it for the reasons outlined. mean while they can price their things as they see fit and it does not matter if i do or dont agree with it.
the only thing that matters is how many sell at that price, that will decide the pricing.

as demonstrated in this thread already. some cannot justify the pricing others can, there is no point trying to convince the other side that it is or is not "good value" Value is mostly subjective. there are rare occasions where every one agrees something is or is not good value.
some people spend $3million on 1 comic book and think its good value, others think £10 for the same comic book would have been over paying.

like i said though. the only thing that will change the prices is a lack of sales. and honestly thats not likley to happen because people are how they are and combined they do act strange and buy things i wouldnt.

 

[hat]

Speaking of bashing Intel, how about an auction only space heater
Intel Core i9-9990XE : Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only

LOL, where's the i9-9999EE "Emergency Edition"?

 

[Bill_Bright]

Do you still think that's okay?

Gee whiz! Where did I say anything was okay? Why are you now making things up? This is what I meant by it would be nice to have an intelligent debate. Please read what I have said again. No where did I say any price was okay, good, or otherwise acceptable. The only thing I claimed was good is that none of the prices for CPUs shown in that PDF list went up. And that is good. It is also NOT an indication of "greed" as was also suggested.

Now you bring up even more different models - just fishing for more things to bash Intel about that really has nothing to do with this debate. The debate with me was about the two (and only those two) CPUs the OP mentioned in his opening post. The two that had different top clock speeds - something I have mentioned over and over again - but you continue to choose to ignore. So yeah, it would be nice to have an intelligent debate that sticks to the OPs topic. The topic, which was about "discounts" by the way, and greed and specifically those two CPUs. The topic was not about "defective" processors or any of the other CPUs you keep bringing up. Too bad an intelligent debate seems impossible with you because you keep bouncing all over the place.

I cannot speak about the prices of the other KF models you mention this time because by that same PDF, there were no Oct 2018 prices listed and that PDF is about processor pricing then and now. It is also just a "recommended customer price" that is subject to change without notice. It is NOT an official mandatory Intel price list, as the title of this thread suggests.

And as far as I can tell (and yes, I looked) none of those KF models are currently in the retail chain for consumer purchase (at least I don't see any of them on Amazon or Newegg). So I sure am not going to speculate one way or another what the final retail price might be for either the K or KF models once the KF models finally do become available and hit the retail markets.

And also, just for the record, I also said it is a good thing Intel can sell these even if the integrated graphics has to be deactivated. It prevents a HUGE loss in investments that would otherwise have to be passed on to the consumer. The exact same thing AMD was able to accomplish with their 4-core processors that were marketed as 3-core because one of the cores truly was defective!

But on the technical side, with the integrated graphics deactivated, that also means all the power dedicated for the processor can be utilized for just the CPU side and without the graphics side generating a bunch of heat. That's also a good thing. And finally without any integrated graphics sapping power or generating heat, it would allow more headroom for overclocking.

But by all means, if these processors that are NOT marketed by Intel as having integrated graphics is still not good enough for you, buy AMD - though I recommend a true quad-core. Or pick an Intel that never had integrated, or an Intel that still has, and is marketed as having activated integrated graphics.

 

[R0H1T]

But on the technical side, with the integrated graphics deactivated, that also means all the power dedicated for the processor can be utilized for just the CPU side and without the graphics side generating a bunch of heat. That's also a good thing. And finally without any integrated graphics sapping power or generating heat, it would allow more headroom for overclocking.

That's true only if you're OCing with the IGP active, but that's very rare for any desktop user with these chips. Not to mention the IGP is power & clock gated, the difference will be minimal even if one's using the IGP for say quick sync or multi monitor.

The only reason, that I can think of, why any of these IGP disabled parts cost as much as the regular ones is demand & Intel's self induced artificial supply constraint.

Intel cuts off DiY desktop processor supply chain deliveries for Q4 2018
There's otherwise, zero justification for these chips to cost anywhere near the regular parts!

 

[Assimilator]

I don't understand why people are complaining about the prices. Intel can charge whatever it wants, and unfortunately it probably needs to due to its supply constraints. All good news for AMD of course, but I rather fear it's going to get quite a bit worse for Intel (and consumers) before it gets better.

 

[dj-electric]

I don't understand why people are complaining about the prices

People have every legitimate reason to. This is how healthy consumerism work.
Someone who could buy an i5 8400 for 170$ now have to cough up 210$ for very similar computer performance, and he wouldn't even get an iGPU as soon as iGPU-included models are out of stock.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Because there's no greed at all over at Intel...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13804/intel-core-i9-9990xe-up-to-5-ghz-auction-only

 

[Assimilator]

People have every legitimate reason to. This is how healthy consumerism work.
Someone who could buy an i5 8400 for 170$ now have to cough up 210$ for very similar computer performance, and he wouldn't even get an iGPU as soon as iGPU-included models are out of stock.

Orrr... they can stop whining, learn about supply and demand, and either cough up the cash or go to an AMD system.

 

[dj-electric]

Orrr... they can stop whining, learn about supply and demand

"I was angry that the CPU i wanted got pricier and lack features, but then i learned about supply and demand and i'm all calm now"

Holy cow.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Because there's no greed at all over at Intel...

Gee whiz. Did you actually read that article? There's no indication of greed there. It's about an auction - with no fixed price indicated. And they must auction because there just are not enough (extremely expensive) factories around the world to ensure Intel can make enough of those processors while at the same time, keep up supply to match the demand for their other processors. These new processors will be in very limited supply. It costs a lot of money to release a product world wide as that adds many middle-men, all wanting their cut.

So it is actually cheaper for the end-user this way. It is not greed but the result of a limited supply for a product that will have a limited demand.

Let's not forget CPU die manufacturing is NOT a perfect process. Humans are NOT perfect and we cannot produce perfection 100% of the time - especially at such microscopically small levels using raw materials that cannot be made perfectly pure. Any tiny imperfection or impurity in the raw materials might as well be the Rock of Gibraltar contaminating the process. It is a very expensive process to make a CPU.

The goal of any organization is to make money, not lose money. If a non-profit charity, it at least must make enough money to meet expenses. But Intel is not a charity. And like any high-tech company, it must keep investing in R&D, or it surely will go under. And shareholders don't like that.

It is hardly greed when not one CPU on that list had a price increase. Greed would be like the pharmaceutical companies that have a monopoly on a common life saving drug, then raise the cost of that drug 1000% while at the same time bribing the generic drug makers to NOT make a cheaper generic alternative. That's corporate greed.

Do I like the prices of Intel processors? Of course not. But I like Intel processors. So even though I have a choice, I will probably buy an Intel next time. But again, that's my choice and I am glad to say I have choices.

 

[Space Lynx]

https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/fil...an_07_19_Recommended_Customer_Price_List_.pdf

It looks like Intel decided not to give any discount on these parts...
Greed rules once again.

They even decided to charge $5 more for the i3-9350KF over the older i3-8350K.

Also note that the F SKUs lack TSX-NI and Intel Trusted Execution Technology, so you get even less for your money, for no apparent reason.

here is hoping that ryzen 3800x rumors are true and it boosts to 4.9 ghz!!! if so, it may be my last CPU purchase for many many years to come! come on AMD I am rooting for you!

 

[Bill_Bright]

FTR, I'm rooting for AMD too. We (consumers) need AMD to keep nipping at the heels of Intel. And we need Intel to keep looking over their shoulders to make sure AMD does not leapfrog over them again.

 

[TheLostSwede]

So what you're saying is that adding an "off roadmap" part the delivers better performance (presumably), than the equivalent on roadmap part, then limiting the quantity and only offering it to a limited set of system integrators via auction, is not greedy? I'm sorry, but I doubt I'm the only person that disagrees here.

And yes, I did read the story, hence the post here, but whatever.

 

[Bill_Bright]

So what you're saying is that adding an "off roadmap" part the delivers better performance (presumably), than the equivalent on roadmap part, then limiting the quantity and only offering it to a limited set of system integrators via auction, is not greedy

No. Of course it is not greedy. This is a new, very expensive to make processor where, at this point of time, the demand for it is unknown. It makes no sense whatsoever to cease production of current processors to retool other foundries and ramp up production on what amounts to a niche market product when demand, at this point in time, is unknown.

Keep in mind too, these are being sold through an auction. That means, if prospective buyers (if more than one) do not have a bidding war, these processor may sell for minimal, no profit, or even at a loss for Intel. Intel is gambling, with fingers on both hands and toes on both feet crossed, they will at least break even. So how is that greed?

You have no clue (and neither do I) how much any of those integrators are willing to spend on these processors. But again, neither does Intel. But clearly, your biases against this company is causing you to prejudge them. That's sad.

And come on! You really need to use some common sense about standard business practices here. When a product is sold "in bulk" to a single wholesale/integrator buyer, the price per unit and thus the profit per unit is always much lower than if sold individually to end-user consumers.

I say we will see where the greedy ones are once the system integrators release computers with these processors installed. If Dell, just as an example, wins the auction bid and suddenly the computers with these processors installed hit the marketing selling for outrageous prices, then you have something to complain about. But now, with so little information to go on, it is just speculation and your own personal biases against this company leading you to tainted, unwarranted conclusions.

 

[bug]

I had two gpus die,both took a month for rma replacement to get back, and was in between gpus several times. I can't imagine not having an igpu.

I have old GPUs collecting dust somewhere, I wouldn't mind not wasting 33-50% die space on an unused IGP.

 

[Easy Rhino]

More crying about prices. When will people grow up?

 

[Assimilator]

"I was angry that the CPU i wanted got pricier and lack features, but then i learned about supply and demand and i'm all calm now"

Holy cow.

Considering your whining isn't going to affect the prices in any way shape or form, that's all that it is: whining for the sake of whining. But whatever, keep whining, I'm sure that'll STICK IT TO THE MAN!

 

[TheLostSwede]

Enjoy the kool aid...

 

[R0H1T]

Yeah it's all about the whining, nothing about (potential) consumers voicing their displeasure how they're not getting their monies worth
Intel’s Graphics-Free Chips Are Also Savings-Free: Same Price, Fewer Features

 

[Bill_Bright]

It is also whining about what might happen. As that Anandtech article points out,

Given how tray price is often not connected to the retail price, it will depend on how many processors actually make it to market or to retail (if any end up in retail packaging) to see if they will actually be sold at a lower price than the parts with integrated graphics.

Frankly I see much of these criticisms are due to a lack of understanding in how manufacturing works. If the price of steel goes up, guess what? The price of cars go up (even the exact same model cars with the exact same features). If the labor force gets a pay raise, guess what? The price of the products they produce go up. If a flood takes out a hard drive factory, the price of hard drives go up. If a Florida hurricane destroys orchards, the price of orange juice goes up. If inflation goes up, the price of almost everything goes up. Fortunately, while inflation is up a little, it has mostly been off-set by lower gasoline prices. If factories have to retool to manufacturer a different product that is in higher demand, the prices of the stopped product goes up. That's what happened to DDR4 as several factories retooled to produce mobile DDR4 versions as more and more users switched to mobile devices.

IF Intel was marketing these processors as the exact same model number with all other specs (including top speeds) the same, and there was no apparent reason to raise the prices (like the cost of precious metals going up), then for sure, I would see grounds to complain too.

Right now, I am just upset Netflix is raising their rates - again - when I still cannot watch Star Trek Discovery on it (unless I lived outside the US).