• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Continuing 14 nm Supply Shortages Lead Intel to Reintroduce Haswell-based, 22 nm Pentium G3420

Raevenlord

News Editor
Joined
Aug 12, 2016
Messages
3,755 (1.35/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name The Ryzening
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
Motherboard MSI X570 MAG TOMAHAWK
Cooling Lian Li Galahad 360mm AIO
Memory 32 GB G.Skill Trident Z F4-3733 (4x 8 GB)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RTX 3070 Ti
Storage Boot: Transcend MTE220S 2TB, Kintson A2000 1TB, Seagate Firewolf Pro 14 TB
Display(s) Acer Nitro VG270UP (1440p 144 Hz IPS)
Case Lian Li O11DX Dynamic White
Audio Device(s) iFi Audio Zen DAC
Power Supply Seasonic Focus+ 750 W
Mouse Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L
Keyboard Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L
Software Windows 10 x64
"Nothing Really Ends" is the title of a song from dEUS, a Belgian "art-rock" band. And it would seem this applies all too well to the world of technology too. Intel has issued a Product Change Notification (PCN) which has changed the previously dead and buried, Haswell-era, 22 nm Pentium G3420 from its "Discontinued" status back to a worded "canceling this Product Discontinuance completely per new roadmap decision and enabling the product long term once again." Which means the Pentium G3420 will have a new lease of life, and will be available to customers until May 2020, with final shipments on December of the same year.

This is clearly an attempt from Intel to increase part availability for OEMs and system manufacturers, who have already been quoted as considering AMD due to both increases in performance and efficiency in their processors, as well as constrained supply from Intel, with giant Dell already having pointed the finger at Intel as a cause for their lower than expected revenue.



This 22 nm part won't break any records, and will likely only be of interest to the lowest tier systems - which will, anyway, move some demand from the 14 nm node back this 22 nm one, enabling Intel to produce more of the higher revenue, higher performance solutions on that node. Of course, why would any system integrator build a system with this CPU instead of AMD's Athlon 3000G is anyone's guess (it won both our Great Value and Highly Recommended awards, so it's not a guess for us here at TPU). Care to make yours in the comments?

View at TechPowerUp Main Site
 

64K

Joined
Mar 13, 2014
Messages
6,104 (1.66/day)
Processor i7 7700k
Motherboard MSI Z270 SLI Plus
Cooling CM Hyper 212 EVO
Memory 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2070 Super
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB and WD Black 4TB
Display(s) Dell 27 inch 1440p 144 Hz
Case Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply EVGA SuperNova 850 W Gold
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Logitech G105
Software Windows 10
A few years ago I would not have believed that Intel could bork things so badly, so quickly, so thoroughly.
 
Joined
Nov 15, 2016
Messages
454 (0.17/day)
System Name Sillicon Nightmares
Processor Intel i7 9700KF 5ghz (5.1ghz 4 core load, no avx offset), 4.7ghz ring, 1.412vcore 1.3vcio 1.264vcsa
Motherboard Asus Z390 Strix F
Cooling DEEPCOOL Gamer Storm CAPTAIN 360
Memory 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB (B-Die) 3600 14-14-14-28 1t, tRFC 220 tREFI 65535, tFAW 16, 1.545vddq
Video Card(s) ASUS GTX 1060 Strix 6GB XOC, Core: 2202-2240, Vcore: 1.075v, Mem: 9818mhz (Sillicon Lottery Jackpot)
Storage Samsung 840 EVO 1TB SSD, WD Blue 1TB, Seagate 3TB, Samsung 970 Evo Plus 512GB
Display(s) BenQ XL2430 1080p 144HZ + (2) Samsung SyncMaster 913v 1280x1024 75HZ + A Shitty TV For Movies
Case Deepcool Genome ROG Edition
Audio Device(s) Bunta Sniff Speakers From The Tip Edition With Extra Kenwoods
Power Supply Corsair AX860i/Cable Mod Cables
Mouse Logitech G602 Spilled Beer Edition
Keyboard Dell KB4021
Software Windows 10 x64
Benchmark Scores 13543 Firestrike (3dmark.com/fs/22336777) 601 points CPU-Z ST 37.4ns AIDA Memory
everyone losing there minds at this but i say great make the i3 22nm too, at this point haswell and 22nm should have reliable 4.8ghz bins
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,722 (1.19/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
I'm a little delirious because of the heat, but seeing this newspiece for some reason felt like reading about someone using black magic to make the dead walk the earth again.
 
Joined
Feb 18, 2013
Messages
2,178 (0.54/day)
Location
Deez Nutz, bozo!
System Name Rainbow Puke Machine :D
Processor Intel Core i5-11400 (MCE enabled, PL removed)
Motherboard ASUS STRIX B560-G GAMING WIFI mATX
Cooling Corsair H60i RGB PRO XT AIO + HD120 RGB (x3) + SP120 RGB PRO (x3) + Commander PRO
Memory Corsair Vengeance RGB RT 2 x 8GB 3200MHz DDR4 C16
Video Card(s) Zotac RTX2060 Twin Fan 6GB GDDR6 (Stock)
Storage Corsair MP600 PRO 1TB M.2 PCIe Gen4 x4 SSD
Display(s) LG 29WK600-W Ultrawide 1080p IPS Monitor (primary display)
Case Corsair iCUE 220T RGB Airflow (White) w/Lighting Node CORE + Lighting Node PRO RGB LED Strips (x4).
Audio Device(s) ASUS ROG Supreme FX S1220A w/ Savitech SV3H712 AMP + Sonic Studio 3 suite
Power Supply Corsair RM750x 80 Plus Gold Fully Modular
Mouse Corsair M65 RGB FPS Gaming (White)
Keyboard Corsair K60 PRO RGB Mechanical w/ Cherry VIOLA Switches
VR HMD Pico 4 128GB AIO VR Headset* (* = in consideration of getting one)
Software Windows 10 Professional x64 (Update 22H2)
22nm because of 14nm shortages? Intel has been getting too desperate & their fights have caused them to do rather silly things. Resurrecting a dead platform is not gonna end well.
 

iO

Joined
Jul 18, 2012
Messages
526 (0.12/day)
Location
Germany
Processor R7 5700x
Motherboard MSI B450i Gaming
Cooling Accelero Mono CPU Edition
Memory 16 GB VLP
Video Card(s) AMD RX 6700 XT
Storage P34A80 512GB
Display(s) LG 27UM67 UHD
Case none
Power Supply SS G-650
Pretty sure those come wrapped in dollar bills, for Intels most loyal OEMs.

everyone losing there minds at this but i say great make the i3 22nm too, at this point haswell and 22nm should have reliable 4.8ghz bins
Yea, who wouldn't love to get a 100 Watt, HT-less dualcore in 2019...
 

newtekie1

Semi-Retired Folder
Joined
Nov 22, 2005
Messages
28,472 (4.25/day)
Location
Indiana, USA
Processor Intel Core i7 10850K@5.2GHz
Motherboard AsRock Z470 Taichi
Cooling Corsair H115i Pro w/ Noctua NF-A14 Fans
Memory 32GB DDR4-3600
Video Card(s) RTX 2070 Super
Storage 500GB SX8200 Pro + 8TB with 1TB SSD Cache
Display(s) Acer Nitro VG280K 4K 28"
Case Fractal Design Define S
Audio Device(s) Onboard is good enough for me
Power Supply eVGA SuperNOVA 1000w G3
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
I don't think this is because of the 14nm shortage. It just doesn't make sense to me. It isn't like these processors can just be dropped into current motherboards. So unless we are seeing OEMs and motherboard manufacturers starting to spin up production on older H81/B85 motherboards, I very much doubt this is to help with 14nm shortages.
 
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
1,260 (0.32/day)
Location
Artem S. Tashkinov
I don't think this is because of the 14nm shortage. It just doesn't make sense to me. It isn't like these processors can just be dropped into current motherboards. So unless we are seeing OEMs and motherboard manufacturers starting to spin up production on older H81/B85 motherboards, I very much doubt this is to help with 14nm shortages.

I'm almost certain this CPU was revived for a very particular use case for a very particular customer or a group of customers. But of course news websites and AMD fans will spin it such a way that "Intel is going back, blah, blah, blah".

The title is a lie and its author makes quite far-fetched assumptions without any knowledge of the matter.

Also, if they have a capacity shortage then logically they mustn't use the process which requires even more wafer space.
 
Last edited:

Raevenlord

News Editor
Joined
Aug 12, 2016
Messages
3,755 (1.35/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name The Ryzening
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
Motherboard MSI X570 MAG TOMAHAWK
Cooling Lian Li Galahad 360mm AIO
Memory 32 GB G.Skill Trident Z F4-3733 (4x 8 GB)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RTX 3070 Ti
Storage Boot: Transcend MTE220S 2TB, Kintson A2000 1TB, Seagate Firewolf Pro 14 TB
Display(s) Acer Nitro VG270UP (1440p 144 Hz IPS)
Case Lian Li O11DX Dynamic White
Audio Device(s) iFi Audio Zen DAC
Power Supply Seasonic Focus+ 750 W
Mouse Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L
Keyboard Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L
Software Windows 10 x64
I'm almost certain this CPU was revived for a very particular use case for a very particular customer or a group of customers. But of course news websites and AMD fans will spin it such a way that "Intel is going back, blah, blah, blah".

The title is a lie and its author makes quite far-fetched assumptions without any knowledge of the matter.

Also, if they have a capacity shortage then logically they mustn't use the process which requires even more wafer space.

Thank you for the BOLD, it's so great to know that you care enough to make sure I REALLYY, REALLYY read what you have to say.
 
Joined
Jan 3, 2015
Messages
2,873 (0.85/day)
System Name The beast and the little runt.
Processor Ryzen 5 5600X - Ryzen 9 5950X
Motherboard ASUS ROG STRIX B550-I GAMING - ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero X570
Cooling Noctua NH-L9x65 SE-AM4a - NH-D15 chromax.black with IPPC Industrial 3000 RPM 120/140 MM fans.
Memory G.SKILL TRIDENT Z ROYAL GOLD/SILVER 32 GB (2 x 16 GB and 4 x 8 GB) 3600 MHz CL14-15-15-35 1.45 volts
Video Card(s) GIGABYTE RTX 4060 OC LOW PROFILE - GIGABYTE RTX 4090 GAMING OC
Storage Samsung 980 PRO 1 TB + 2 TB - Samsung 870 EVO 4 TB - 2 x WD RED PRO 16 GB + WD ULTRASTAR 22 TB
Display(s) Asus 27" TUF VG27AQL1A and a Dell 24" for dual setup
Case Phanteks Enthoo 719/LUXE 2 BLACK
Audio Device(s) Onboard on both boards
Power Supply Phanteks Revolt X 1200W
Mouse Logitech G903 Lightspeed Wireless Gaming Mouse
Keyboard Logitech G910 Orion Spectrum
Software WINDOWS 10 PRO 64 BITS on both systems
Benchmark Scores Se more about my 2 in 1 system here: kortlink.dk/2ca4x
Seriously now they revives 22 nm also. As 14nm+++++++++ o_O whas not bad enough. Meaning they been on 14 NM since 2014/2015 and now they revives 22 nm from 2013 also all throw a low end part, But still. To not forget where there one 22 nm cpu, there can also be two and three and so on. Shintel really has gone from leadership to desperate in like 3 years.

This just confirms that I dit the right choice on getting a amd cpu this time. A nice little Ryzen 9 3950X:D
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,722 (1.19/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
I'm almost certain this CPU was revived for a very particular use case for a very particular customer or a group of customers. But of course news websites and AMD fans will spin it such a way that "Intel is going back, blah, blah, blah".

The title is a lie and its author makes quite far-fetched assumptions without any knowledge of the matter.

Ok, but answer me this: How often does Intel go back and cancels a product discontinuation, years (last shipment date was April 2016) after discontinuation became effective?
 
Joined
Apr 30, 2011
Messages
2,648 (0.56/day)
Location
Greece
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W
Motherboard MSI B550 Tomahawk
Cooling ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA
Memory 2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB
Storage Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB
Display(s) AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz
Case SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK
Audio Device(s) Realtek 7.1 onboard
Power Supply Seasonic Core GC 500W
Mouse Sharkoon SHARK Force Black
Keyboard Trust GXT280
Software Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux
Intel fails very hard at the same time and period that AMD hits new highs with their new cpus. Coincedence?
 

Raevenlord

News Editor
Joined
Aug 12, 2016
Messages
3,755 (1.35/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name The Ryzening
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
Motherboard MSI X570 MAG TOMAHAWK
Cooling Lian Li Galahad 360mm AIO
Memory 32 GB G.Skill Trident Z F4-3733 (4x 8 GB)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RTX 3070 Ti
Storage Boot: Transcend MTE220S 2TB, Kintson A2000 1TB, Seagate Firewolf Pro 14 TB
Display(s) Acer Nitro VG270UP (1440p 144 Hz IPS)
Case Lian Li O11DX Dynamic White
Audio Device(s) iFi Audio Zen DAC
Power Supply Seasonic Focus+ 750 W
Mouse Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L
Keyboard Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L
Software Windows 10 x64
everyone losing there minds at this but i say great make the i3 22nm too, at this point haswell and 22nm should have reliable 4.8ghz bins

That would depend on whether the process has been updated since it was abandoned for Intel's high volume products in favor of 14 nm. I doubt Intel has been investing in making that process any better than it was at the time (this is speculation).

Also, there are manufacturing process limits to be considered. 22 nm's tolerance for higher frequencies in the same architecture is bound to be smaller than 14 nm's.
 
Joined
May 30, 2018
Messages
1,890 (0.89/day)
Location
Cusp Of Mania, FL
Processor Ryzen 9 3900X
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix X370-F
Cooling Dark Rock 4, 3x Corsair ML140 front intake, 1x rear exhaust
Memory 2x8GB TridentZ RGB [3600Mhz CL16]
Video Card(s) EVGA 3060ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming
Storage 970 EVO 500GB nvme, 860 EVO 250GB SATA, Seagate Barracuda 1TB + 4TB HDDs
Display(s) 27" MSI G27C4 FHD 165hz
Case NZXT H710
Audio Device(s) Modi Multibit, Vali 2, Shortest Way 51+ - LSR 305's, Focal Clear, HD6xx, HE5xx, LCD-2 Classic
Power Supply Corsair RM650x v2
Mouse iunno whatever cheap crap logitech *clutches Xbox 360 controller security blanket*
Keyboard HyperX Alloy Pro
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores ask your mother
I don't really care either way... wake me up when something good happens.

I just imagine it being like this high profile conspiracy. Like there's a vault of haswells tucked away somewhere in Antarctica... hidden like biological weapons. And only like 3 people know where it is or how to access it... and it takes all 3 to even open it.

So the three of them are standing outside while thier expedition crew is 3 miles back. Just snowing like it's the apocalypse. So kitted out you can barely tell who's who. One of them hesitates...

"A--are you sure we should be doing this? It's been a long time and we have no idea what's in there, now. I don't like this, Jim...'

"Open the DAMNED door NOW, Thomas. Or should I take your key and leave you here? Is that what you want? There's nobody out here. We can tell the crew you wandered off."

"*Sigh* ...okay."

So they begin the process of entering the bunker... through this towering wall of steel on 12 car-sized hinges... adorned with strange runes beneath 6 inches of compacted snow and ice. They appear as what look like circling comets and primitive 3D rendered busts. What stories might they tell us?


Then, when they finally enter it's nothing but rooms of wall-to-wall haswells and they just kinda look at each other like "Welp... we came to Antarctica for this." And then I think Jim killed Thomas.

And now, here we all are. In a world where nearly forgotten CPUs can once again be had new, in bulk. The ancient monoliths rise from thier frosty tomb. I think there can be only one explaination. Prove me wrong...
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 6, 2013
Messages
2,973 (0.77/day)
Location
Athens, Greece
System Name 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC
Processor Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is)
Motherboard MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3
Cooling Νoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6
Memory 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600 / 16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3)
Video Card(s) ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580
Storage NVMes, NVMes everywhere / NVMes, more NVMes / Various storage, SATA SSD mostly
Display(s) Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5
Case Sharkoon Rebel 12 / Sharkoon Rebel 9 / Xigmatek Midguard
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W
Mouse CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / Coolermaster Devastator / Logitech
Keyboard CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / Coolermaster Devastator / Logitech
Software Windows 10 / Windows 10 / Windows 7
I guess ultra cheap or even free 22nm Pentiums and ultra cheap DDR3 is the new super smart plan from Intel and big OEMs to scam people so they don't buy/ask for, AMD based models.
OEMs will be getting those Pentiums for free with any order of 14+++++nm chips.
 

newtekie1

Semi-Retired Folder
Joined
Nov 22, 2005
Messages
28,472 (4.25/day)
Location
Indiana, USA
Processor Intel Core i7 10850K@5.2GHz
Motherboard AsRock Z470 Taichi
Cooling Corsair H115i Pro w/ Noctua NF-A14 Fans
Memory 32GB DDR4-3600
Video Card(s) RTX 2070 Super
Storage 500GB SX8200 Pro + 8TB with 1TB SSD Cache
Display(s) Acer Nitro VG280K 4K 28"
Case Fractal Design Define S
Audio Device(s) Onboard is good enough for me
Power Supply eVGA SuperNOVA 1000w G3
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
I'm almost certain this CPU was revived for a very particular use case for a very particular customer or a group of customers. But of course news websites and AMD fans will spin it such a way that "Intel is going back, blah, blah, blah".

I would almost guarantee this is for the 3rd world markets. Specifically China, where it has become a profitable business to remove old chipsets off dead motherbaords, and put them on new PCBs to make "new" motherboards. They motherboards are dirt cheap, there is a stupid amount of DDR3 being sent over to China for "recycling" so DDR3 is dirt cheap too. The problem is processors to fit the cheap price of the motherboard. In steps Intel with the G3420. They have the capacity to make it, and apparently the demand. This isn't to cover for 14nm demands, this is because there is a legitimate demand for cheap socket 1150 processors.

Also, if they have a capacity shortage then logically they mustn't use the process which requires even more wafer space.

The thing is, 14nm and 22nm aren't made on the same equipment. They are different nodes, and while Intel's 14nm node is running at max capacity trying to keep up, their 22nm is running at under capacity. This means they have space to run 22nm products. They have already switched some of their lower end chipsets from 14nm to 22nm.
 

AnfenPants

New Member
Joined
Dec 9, 2019
Messages
1 (0.00/day)
I'm almost certain this CPU was revived for a very particular use case for a very particular customer or a group of customers. But of course news websites and AMD fans will spin it such a way that "Intel is going back, blah, blah, blah".

The title is a lie and its author makes quite far-fetched assumptions without any knowledge of the matter.

Also, if they have a capacity shortage then logically they mustn't use the process which requires even more wafer space.

I agree with you. The original EOL notice was published on Nov 26, 2019 and 9 days later Intel cancelled the previous EOL. Clearly some giants complained to the Intel and made a huge order on that chip.

If 14nm shortage is the cause, then why continue making this particular chip?

Currently G3420 has a specific usage in Industrial sector as an "Embedded Broad Market Commercial Temp".

Another reason people choose 22nm chips cause they are super cheap nowadays, when a G3420 is efficient enough for an on-board computer in bulldozer, there's no need for more advanced chip.

It's so funny watching pc users/ AMD fans are concerning about Industrial sector as if Intel gonna rob their 3950X and install it on a bulldozer so that Trump can build his wall more efficiently.

Just copy what you said "The title is a lie and its author makes quite far-fetched assumptions without any knowledge of the matter".
 
Joined
Mar 14, 2008
Messages
511 (0.09/day)
Location
DK
System Name Main setup
Processor i9 12900K
Motherboard Gigabyte z690 Gaming X
Cooling Water
Memory Kingston 32GB 5200@cl30
Video Card(s) Asus Tuf RTS 4090
Storage Adata SX8200 PRO 1 adn 2 TB, Samsung 960EVO, Crucial MX300 750GB Limited edition
Display(s) HP "cheapass" 34" 3440x1440
Case CM H500P Mesh
Audio Device(s) Logitech G933
Power Supply Corsair RX850i
Mouse G502
Keyboard SteelSeries Apex Pro
Software W11
For users that just need a Cheap CPU for surfing the Web a 2 4 8 3 11 64 Core 3nm 14nm 32nm CPU will do just fine soooooooooooo this is a way to make a shortage be less of a problem and that's grate.

I don't Really se why a lot of you guys need to make that a bad thing... depending on how they will sell it (the worlds bedst…..) nah but I would hav love to see this alittle before because I have been waiting 2 months for my wifes 9800x...
 
Joined
Mar 16, 2017
Messages
1,637 (0.64/day)
Location
Tanagra
System Name Budget Box
Processor Xeon E5-2667v2
Motherboard ASUS P9X79 Pro
Cooling Some cheap tower cooler, I dunno
Memory 32GB 1866-DDR3 ECC
Video Card(s) XFX RX 5600XT
Storage WD NVME 1GB
Display(s) ASUS Pro Art 27"
Case Antec P7 Neo
I guess it makes some sense if you’re in major supply constraints with 14nm. Bring the smallest chip back into production on 22nm and use it to fill budget orders so more 14nm space is freed up for higher margin products. It must have been the next best alternative since dumping salvaged 10nm products involved pairing with a dGPU. A 22nm product with a working IGP is certainly a cheaper option for the budget OEMs.
 
Joined
Feb 19, 2009
Messages
1,151 (0.21/day)
Location
I live in Norway
Processor R9 5800x3d | R7 3900X | 4800H | 2x Xeon gold 6142
Motherboard Asrock X570M | AB350M Pro 4 | Asus Tuf A15
Cooling Air | Air | duh laptop
Memory 64gb G.skill SniperX @3600 CL16 | 128gb | 32GB | 192gb
Video Card(s) RTX 4080 |Quadro P5000 | RTX2060M
Storage Many drives
Display(s) M32Q,AOC 27" 144hz something.
Case Jonsbo D41
Power Supply Corsair RM850x
Mouse g502 Lightspeed
Keyboard G913 tkl
Software win11, proxmox
Benchmark Scores 33000FS, 16300 TS. Lappy, 7000 TS.
I don't think this is because of the 14nm shortage. It just doesn't make sense to me. It isn't like these processors can just be dropped into current motherboards. So unless we are seeing OEMs and motherboard manufacturers starting to spin up production on older H81/B85 motherboards, I very much doubt this is to help with 14nm shortages.

There's nothing preventing intel from putting new chipset on older chips.
it's not like there is a magic link between the cpu and chipset and they must be paired.
As long as electrical wiring is the same which have been the same for a decade on all intel chipsets then it should be fine, it'll be pci-e 2.0 speeds to chipset instead of 3.0 but they can retain same featureset from chipset atleast.
 
Joined
May 3, 2018
Messages
2,232 (1.03/day)
For users that just need a Cheap CPU for surfing the Web a 2 4 8 3 11 64 Core 3nm 14nm 32nm CPU will do just fine soooooooooooo this is a way to make a shortage be less of a problem and that's grate.

I don't Really se why a lot of you guys need to make that a bad thing... depending on how they will sell it (the worlds bedst…..) nah but I would hav love to see this alittle before because I have been waiting 2 months for my wifes 9800x...

So will an iPad.
 

newtekie1

Semi-Retired Folder
Joined
Nov 22, 2005
Messages
28,472 (4.25/day)
Location
Indiana, USA
Processor Intel Core i7 10850K@5.2GHz
Motherboard AsRock Z470 Taichi
Cooling Corsair H115i Pro w/ Noctua NF-A14 Fans
Memory 32GB DDR4-3600
Video Card(s) RTX 2070 Super
Storage 500GB SX8200 Pro + 8TB with 1TB SSD Cache
Display(s) Acer Nitro VG280K 4K 28"
Case Fractal Design Define S
Audio Device(s) Onboard is good enough for me
Power Supply eVGA SuperNOVA 1000w G3
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
There's nothing preventing intel from putting new chipset on older chips.
it's not like there is a magic link between the cpu and chipset and they must be paired.
As long as electrical wiring is the same which have been the same for a decade on all intel chipsets then it should be fine, it'll be pci-e 2.0 speeds to chipset instead of 3.0 but they can retain same featureset from chipset atleast.

The socket is different, so now you are talking about making special motherboards just for this one very low cost very low performance chip. What sense does that make from a business standpoint and how does it help with the 14nm shortage?
 

Aquinus

Resident Wat-man
Joined
Jan 28, 2012
Messages
13,147 (2.96/day)
Location
Concord, NH, USA
System Name Apollo
Processor Intel Core i9 9880H
Motherboard Some proprietary Apple thing.
Memory 64GB DDR4-2667
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon Pro 5600M, 8GB HBM2
Storage 1TB Apple NVMe, 4TB External
Display(s) Laptop @ 3072x1920 + 2x LG 5k Ultrafine TB3 displays
Case MacBook Pro (16", 2019)
Audio Device(s) AirPods Pro, Sennheiser HD 380s w/ FIIO Alpen 2, or Logitech 2.1 Speakers
Power Supply 96w Power Adapter
Mouse Logitech MX Master 3
Keyboard Logitech G915, GL Clicky
Software MacOS 12.1
Sounds like Intel needs to get its sales numbers up, even if that means selling old tech at a loss. Got to keep investors happy while Intel continues spinning its wheels, right? It's amazing that we haven't seen Intel take a big hit in the market yet. It has to be coming because most of the news isn't good.
 

silentbogo

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
5,470 (1.45/day)
Location
Kyiv, Ukraine
System Name WS#1337
Processor Ryzen 7 3800X
Motherboard ASUS X570-PLUS TUF Gaming
Cooling Xigmatek Scylla 240mm AIO
Memory 4x8GB Samsung DDR4 ECC UDIMM
Video Card(s) Inno3D RTX 3070 Ti iChill
Storage ADATA Legend 2TB + ADATA SX8200 Pro 1TB
Display(s) Samsung U24E590D (4K/UHD)
Case ghetto CM Cosmos RC-1000
Audio Device(s) ALC1220
Power Supply SeaSonic SSR-550FX (80+ GOLD)
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Modecom Volcano Blade (Kailh choc LP)
VR HMD Google dreamview headset(aka fancy cardboard)
Software Windows 11, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
It's so funny watching pc users/ AMD fans are concerning about Industrial sector as if Intel gonna rob their 3950X and install it on a bulldozer so that Trump can build his wall more efficiently.
G3420 for embedded and industrial sector? Bulldozers? Walls? I almost spilled my coffee.

Currently G3420 has a specific usage in Industrial sector as an "Embedded Broad Market Commercial Temp".
Along with "Client/PC/Tablet". "Embedded" moniker is only there as a vague suggestion, just like with a few dozen other Intel chips with TDP under 60W.
Real embedded applications usually lean towards actual embedded SoCs, and when it comes to industrial mini-PCs - low-power T-variants always rule the party.
Even cheap-ass AIOs stopped using socketed CPUs around Haswell time (including stuff like PoS systems, warehouse terminals etc).
 
Joined
Mar 16, 2017
Messages
1,637 (0.64/day)
Location
Tanagra
System Name Budget Box
Processor Xeon E5-2667v2
Motherboard ASUS P9X79 Pro
Cooling Some cheap tower cooler, I dunno
Memory 32GB 1866-DDR3 ECC
Video Card(s) XFX RX 5600XT
Storage WD NVME 1GB
Display(s) ASUS Pro Art 27"
Case Antec P7 Neo
I don’t doubt that if Intel is willing to revive a CPU, they can just as easily revive a chipset.
 
Top