NVIDIA pretends to care about gamers

[Vario]

Hi,
Still wondering why the driver gimping over a low end 3060 lol and not the others that people really wanted 3070/ 3070ti/ 3080/ 3080ti/ 3090 guess these aren't worth driver gimping
LTT well what can you say he got his drama clicks once again, guess he won't be retiring after all lol

The reason only the 3060 is affected is because the 3060 is the latest Nvidia card. They can't retroactively change the already released models. They might change all models going forward, forever. Hence there are a lot of upset miners. They can't just buy gaming cards, mine on them for a year or so, and then fleece them onto gamers after mining becomes unprofitable. And there are the gamers that mine on their personal machine, who seem to think buying a graphics card at a $200 markup is worth it so they can mine $50 a month profit to offset their purchase cost. However, I think the vast majority of gamers just want to buy the card at MSRP and use it for gaming, its intended purpose.

 

[trickson]

The reason only the 3060 is affected is because the 3060 is the latest Nvidia card. They can't retroactively change the already released models. They might change all models going forward, forever. Hence there are a lot of upset miners. They can't just buy gaming cards, mine on them for a year or so, and then fleece them onto gamers after mining becomes unprofitable. And there are the gamers that mine on their personal machine, who seem to think buying a graphics card at a $200 markup is worth it so they can mine $50 a month profit to offset their purchase cost.

I am so glad I bought my cards when I did.
Now it would seem we are getting fleeced once again!
You what pisses me off more than anything?
All the big tech companies know this is going to happen they even want it to happen!
Look at the price of that POS card! In one year or less it will be nothing more than a relic a Linus relic nothing more.
They know every time they make a NEW line that line is going to be sucked up by the miners leaving the regular customer that can afford only 200 bucks at best waiting for the miners to get done with them so then maybe we can get a shot at them?
I tell you what they know this is going on! A stupid video card is NOW over 2K for that Stupid card and you can not even get it! What a JOKE!
Like I said I got some nice cards and yeah they are new but also years old! For fuck sake I have to wait out 3-4 generation of GPU's yet can get the newest CPU gen! What a JOKE the Card makers all should be ashamed!
SHAME ON YOU AMD AND NVIDIA SHAME ON YOU FOR LETTING MINERS TAKE EVERYTHING!

 

[dirtyferret]

I've heard others refer to him as the Ellen Degeneres of Tech.

Hey, I would take that comparison as a complement (in terms of show not person). I find the guy brilliant considering he clearly saw an untapped market from his early NCIX days to the empire he has not created and how many imitators he has on youtube who fail to be half as entertaining as him. Obviously the guy has a "shtick" but it's not easy to be entertaining on camera (see most youtube PC hardware "experts") and his success speaks for itself.

 

[Vario]

Hey, I would take that comparison as a complement (in terms of show not person). I find the guy brilliant considering he clearly saw an untapped market from his early NCIX days to the empire he has not created and how many imitators he has on youtube who fail to be half as entertaining as him. Obviously the guy has a "shtick" but it's not easy to be entertaining on camera (see most youtube PC hardware "experts") and his success speaks for itself.

Like many youtubers, his entire premise is built upon stoking outrage over shit that doesn't matter.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hm... so you assume I haven't watched his crap, you couldn't be more wrong.
His 1st point, CMP silicons will cut into the available silicons. Let say Nvidia can make 100 3060 at a time, 50 go to gaming and 50 go to mining, that is still 50 that gamers can buy rather than 0.
2nd, for every of your "anecdotal evidence" that your mining hardware survive, I can find 10x more evidence that used mining GPU die prematurely. If you can mine on RX480/580 now and still make a profit, why would CMP GPU end up as e-waste a few years from now when they are still working perfectly? only dead GPUs are e-waste, if it lives there are uses for it. If anything the resale value of CMP are much lower than gaming GPU, but not as e-waste.

Hi,
Now I'm disappointed in you for giving the drama king a click.

 

[nguyen]

Hi,
Now I'm disappointed in you for giving the drama king a click.

Me too bud, me too...

 

[dirtyferret]

Like many youtubers, his entire premise is built upon stoking outrage over shit that doesn't matter.

youtubers, journalists, radio and tv personalities, an entire news channel & newspaper for a company I used to work for...

 

[Vario]

youtubers, journalists, radio and tv personalities, an entire news channel & newspaper for a company I used to work for...

Outrage is a powerful emotional appeal to pitch products.

edit:
next week on LTT: buying the Radeon product at 3x MSRP is more ethical than buying Nvidia at 2x MSRP, because AMD doesn't lock the card to cryptominers.

 

[trickson]

Hey, I would take that comparison as a complement (in terms of show not person). I find the guy brilliant considering he clearly saw an untapped market from his early NCIX days to the empire he has not created and how many imitators he has on youtube who fail to be half as entertaining as him. Obviously the guy has a "shtick" but it's not easy to be entertaining on camera (see most youtube PC hardware "experts") and his success speaks for itself.

His only success is getting free crap and then telling everyone about it. Clicks is all he gets and if you stop clicking he stops getting.
See people are only as good as the amount of clicks they get. LOL.
Yeah I do not like to listen to some hack that has taped the product out on crap MB's or just plain have some video on a product I really want, watch said video (having them bash it all to hell) only to find it was a great product from the gate!
F YouTube BS artists! I want to do it for myself not have some hack do it 10 months BEFORE the product hits market!

 

[ThrashZone]

Me too bud, me too...

Hi,
You know before what he's going to do
Title of this thread is way off too this is just a nonsense LTT spam thread.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

What if Nvidia has only allocated some Ampere gen. graphics card for sale and is keeping the rest mining for a new leatherette jacket for its CEO?

 

[ThrashZone]

Outrage is a powerful emotional appeal to pitch products.

edit:
next week on LTT: buying the Radeon product at 3x MSRP is more ethical than buying Nvidia at 2x MSRP, because AMD doesn't lock the card to cryptominers.

Hi,
Being triggered is a powerful tool to sheep.
Best to not watch LTT is predictable.

 

[dirtyferret]

His only success is getting free crap and then telling everyone about it.

Hardly true, he has his own shooting studious and an entire work force. He is the biggest name in that business and other youtubers like jazytwocents (or whatever his name is) and Steve from GN trip over their own feet chasing him down and trying to get him on their shows because of the audience he brings. The guy knows his stuff and knows how to dumb it down and make it entertaining to his audience.

Clicks is all he gets and if you stop clicking he stops getting.
See people are only as good as the amount of clicks they get. LOL.

That is true of any media business. Get eyeballs and you get paid.

Yeah I do not like to listen to some hack that has taped the product out on crap MB's or just plain have some video on a product I really want, watch said video (having them bash it all to hell) only to find it was a great product from the gate!

Fair enough, I don't watch these guys too much either

 

[Devon68]

I've recently read an article where John Carmack is saying that the best way to fight this situation is to be able to buy from the manufacturers directly via public auctions. I still believe this is not the right answer we are looking for.
I personally don't even know who I'm more mad at miners or scalpers or the manufacturers that are selling the gpu's directly to miners.
A few days ago I saw a RX580 being sold for 400$. That card is worth 160 tops. The 1070ti used to be 180-220 and now it's around 400$. The 1080ti was 350$ now 500$.
As far as the LTT video. He just follows the fab and does it for the clicks. I remember not too long ago he was pissed at intel, and the video after that was sponsored by intel. But then again he has to make a living and pay his employees.

 

[Steevo]

Nvidia doesn't have enough dies for the gamers.... Better come up with a way to sell cards to miners using the same wafer supply.

Sounds about right.

 

[trickson]

But then again he has to make a living and pay his employees.

Again how else can he do this?
There is NO fucking way he can shell out 2-3K for a video card to test and not only that get the fucking thing 2 months before ANYONE else does.
No He is a SHILL. The card companies and Even the Chipmakers seen this and they climbed on board and are feeding him products to "Test" LMFAO! And You people click on him every day because every day he comes out with another video another studio script and another FREE tech product to show off before WE the people can try it out!
No SHAME on Nvidia and AMD for not only do that but for SCREWING ALL THE GAMERS! EVERY TIME A NEW CARD LINE COMES OUT! Miners should be given NOTHING!

 

[docnorth]

I just hope people realise I was being sarcastic.

I think it was pretty obvious.

 

[Vario]

I think that locking out mining is a slippery slope... first they will lock out miners from using a product for a purpose it wasn't intended for, next they will start throwing people in slave labor camps, and we will all be mining cryptocurrency... by hand.

 

[ThrashZone]

I think that locking out mining is a slippery slope... first they will lock out miners from using a product for a purpose it wasn't intended for, next they will start throwing people in slave labor camps, and we will all be mining cryptocurrency... by hand.

Hi,
When manufactures move production to cheapest labor countries doubt it's not already happening
Human rights is not an automatic
While back some manufature plants were just like little worlds of their own
People lived/ shopped/ worked in the same encampment/ building.

 

[nguyen]

Nvidia doesn't have enough dies for the gamers.... Better come up with a way to sell cards to miners using the same wafer supply.

Sounds about right.

Well if I were Nvidia CEO, I would just stop selling GPU immediately, use them for mining for 2 years then sell used mining GPUs that have an inch of life left for half the current price, this will make PC gamers happier I guess (well according to LTT this is better for gamers)

 

[trickson]

Well if I were Nvidia CEO, I would just stop selling GPU immediately, use them for mining for 2 years then sell used mining GPUs that have an inch of life left for half the current price, this will make PC gamers happier I guess (well according to LTT this is better for gamers)

 

[Vayra86]

youtubers, journalists, radio and tv personalities, an entire news channel & newspaper for a company I used to work for...

Popularity and credibility are two entirely different worlds, so much so that you might think they are at odds with one another.

In fact I am convinced they are. Linus is a soundbite guy. There is no substance. This is what separates those who are able to filter their content for what it really is, and those who are quite frankly just sheep. Herd mentality is what constitutes LTT popularity. The guy is entertainment trying to make you think he is more than that so people feel like watching him actually also serves a purpose.

Its still an empty shell and so are the subscribers. Simple.

Did I just call a bunch of people blind? Correct. If you watch him for good fun... by all means. If you fail to separate that from the real world? You cant filter. That is all, really and its a common problem.

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Hi,
When manufactures move production to cheapest labor countries doubt it's not already happening
Human rights is not an automatic
While back some manufature plants were just like little worlds of their own
People lived/ shopped/ worked in the same encampment/ building.

Thats the industrial revolution all over again. It used to be something we collectively knew was bad. Now its 'condoned'. That is how fast and easy we devolve and set ourselves back a few hundred years. Thats why its important peopke dont follow but educate thenselves and gain some historical context.

 

[trickson]

Popularity and credibility are two entirely different worlds, so much so that you might think they are at odds with one another.

In fact I am convinced they are. Linus is a soundbite guy. There is no substance. This is what separates those who are able to filter their content for what it really is, and those who are quite frankly just sheep. Herd mentality is what constitutes LTT popularity. The guy is entertainment trying to make you think he is more than that so people feel like watching him actually also serves a purpose.

Its still an empty shell and so are the subscribers. Simple.

Did I just call a bunch of people blind? Correct. If you watch him for good fun... by all means. If you fail to separate that from the real world? You cant filter. That is all, really and its a common problem.

Linus is like Bill Nye the science guy, All the knowledge of a cue card with no actual knowledge of anything.
The guy even does car reviews this says something about the Shill that is Linus....

 

[dyonoctis]

"miner GPU" have already been done before, and never changed anything. The biggest hurdles of the 3060 are going the selling price and the scalpers. It's already been announced that this sku would be heavily overpriced from the launch day. Around 500€, some model will even reach 600€, waay above what the initial target is willing to pay.

About Linus : his channel taught me how to build a pc back in 2013, waaay before his channel became that big. I like tech, but I'm not a scientist or an engineer, I'm a digital designer who just like to have a basic understanding of the tools that he's using.

The mentality saying that the popularization of technical fields is bad, is pretty elitist, and there's also a bigger picture. If people want to know more, they will find other outlet that goes deeper into things. But it's easier to hook people up with something that is accessible at first rather than giving them something really deep but indigest. If the audience doesn't understand they will tune out, that's human nature, and trying to fight it is wishfull thinking. There's a big big audience for "computers for dummies", but people who started with that might eventually graduate.

Even big scientific organisation like the CNRS, the NASA have supports that caters to people who don't have a scientific background, where everything is dumbed down, because they know that theres a need for that. That's eventually how you'll get some people wishing to become a scientist, or to support a scientific field in their capacity. Medical illustration is an exemple of that, those people aren't doctors, but they are still helping doctors and spreading the knowledge.

 

[Sithaer]

Tbh I don't mind Linus and watch his weird videos for fun, sometimes he shows off actually interesting products I never heard of or would otherwise.

For actual reviews I go to GamersNexus/Hardware unboxed and the read form is TPU ofc.