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80Plus certification has probably helped with this the most because although it's impossible to truly judge a PSU's quality based on its 80Plus rating, you're unlikely to get a turd with a Gold rating or better - simply because it's damn near impossible to meet that standard with shonky no-name parts and a corner-cutting design. [ ... ]
That might've been true a few years ago but unfortunately Gold is now quite full of crapshoots. If you want something that positively works, you will have to aim for Platinum or higher.
A friend of mines ordered a prebuild with a 3090 and they shipped it with the worst crapshoot 1,000W 80PLUS Gold they could find and it'd produce BSODs on an hourly basis. After I told him to swap out the PSU for a Prime these issues went away.
Granted, a 3090 that can spike to like 600W is hardly your average daily use case, but unfortunately Gold rating alone doesn't cut it anymore these days. The crapshoots are getting far too efficient.
 
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That might've been true a few years ago but unfortunately Gold is now quite full of crapshoots. If you want something that positively works, you will have to aim for Platinum or higher.
A friend of mines ordered a prebuild with a 3090 and they shipped it with the worst crapshoot 1,000W 80PLUS Gold they could find and it'd produce BSODs on an hourly basis. After I told him to swap out the PSU for a Prime these issues went away.
Granted, a 3090 that can spike to like 600W is hardly your average daily use case, but unfortunately Gold rating alone doesn't cut it anymore these days. The crapshoots are getting far too efficient.
Guess it's becoming cheap enough to use the more up-to-date reference designs for the budget crap units to adopt them as well - you can easily make a bad Gold unit if it has DC-DC conversion for minor rails but garbage components, after all. I don't think I'd buy a PSU without reading a review regardless, but then I'm gradually moving on to custom industrial AC-12VDC PSUs + picoPSUs for everything except the main rig anyhow :p
 

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From reading OW's writings on retiring from the site, I understand him completely - in-depth PSU testing like that sounds exhausting, especially if that's the only thing you do. Extremely repetitive, yet labor intensive, requiring a lot of attention to detail and manual labor despite the process each time being essentially the same. I assume from a writer's perspective writing up reviews also turns into .1% variations on the same theme over time. Not many people can live with working conditions like that without burning out.

I did burn out. Still can't write anything, and I've been out of the review business since late 2018. I don't regret doing it for so long, really, but after 11 years of it not even coming close to leaving the four figure yearly income bracket doing it I just had to stop. My income had actually been going down in the 2-3 years prior because excessive shipping rates killed my chances of reselling the review units. Even so, the challenge of trying to find new ways to write the same stuff over and over like Sisyphus pushing his rock up the hill did keep me going for a little while.

Currently trying to put together a Youtube channel. Nothing on it yet... it'll be photography most of the time, electronics projects in the off season (I don't do a lot of camera stuff in winter). No power supplies. I've still got all the load testing gear but no desire to ever use it again.
 

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I did burn out. Still can't write anything, and I've been out of the review business since late 2018. I don't regret doing it for so long, really, but after 11 years of it not even coming close to leaving the four figure yearly income bracket doing it I just had to stop. My income had actually been going down in the 2-3 years prior because excessive shipping rates killed my chances of reselling the review units. Even so, the challenge of trying to find new ways to write the same stuff over and over like Sisyphus pushing his rock up the hill did keep me going for a little while.

Currently trying to put together a Youtube channel. Nothing on it yet... it'll be photography most of the time, electronics projects in the off season (I don't do a lot of camera stuff in winter). No power supplies. I've still got all the load testing gear but no desire to ever use it again.

Since the reviews petered out I've basically stuck to Seasonic Focus Plus and hoped that all of them at least would still be somewhat deserving of the name. So far so good, but I'm not making any bets, SSR-550FX, SSR-550PX, SGX-650 so far

I've been really feeling the loss of the Gutless Wonders though, I loved those lol. Best of luck in your current endeavours, I can't remember which thread it was from but I thought your photography was pretty awesome.
 
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trying to find new ways to write the same stuff over and over like Sisyphus pushing his rock up the hill did keep me going for a little while.
FWIW you were excellent at this. Your articles were always enjoyable as much for the way you wrote them as they were for their technical analysis.

I've been really feeling the loss of the Gutless Wonders though, I loved those lol.
Some of those were friggin gold lol.
 
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I did burn out. Still can't write anything, and I've been out of the review business since late 2018. I don't regret doing it for so long, really, but after 11 years of it not even coming close to leaving the four figure yearly income bracket doing it I just had to stop. My income had actually been going down in the 2-3 years prior because excessive shipping rates killed my chances of reselling the review units. Even so, the challenge of trying to find new ways to write the same stuff over and over like Sisyphus pushing his rock up the hill did keep me going for a little while.

Currently trying to put together a Youtube channel. Nothing on it yet... it'll be photography most of the time, electronics projects in the off season (I don't do a lot of camera stuff in winter). No power supplies. I've still got all the load testing gear but no desire to ever use it again.
Well thanks for your service.
Do what you enjoy, unless the pay is good enough that you'll accept doing what you can only tolerate.
 
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Oooooohhh. I just pictured GN Steve with Weird Al's lyrical skills. That would be epic. I mean ....
One of WeirdAl's best. What makes it even funnier? It's still mostly relevant to this day... And yeah, I could totally see GN-Steve rockin a video like this if he had the skills.
 
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Jonnyguru.com will be sorely missed by many; it was an education for me and people were quite patient in explaining things.
 
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That's partly because finding a decent PSU is dead easy these days with most vendors comfortably exceeding their rated specs and offering warranties that are 3-5x longer than they used to be.

In a market where you can name a dozen reputable PSU manufacturers and be almost certain that what they make will be fine, there's no real need for a site that's dedicated primarily to calling out fake specs, bluescreen generators, and fire hazards.

My fondness for jonnyguru.com is purely nostalgia, and the fact that we don't need as many PSU reviews now is a testament to the way the PSU industry has changed for the better, in part because of jonnyguru's work 20 years ago.
I don't deny one can find a decent PSU quite easily nowadays, but there are also an influx of "new" PSU brands which could use some vetting through. Case in point, Gigabyte's legendary exploding PSU which looks and sounds good on paper.
 

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Jonnyguru.com will be sorely missed by many; it was an education for me and people were quite patient in explaining things.

yeah it was a great resource. I read all of those reviews... I became quite addicted to the hot testing/ cold testing sections. I have no idea why but I just found it all fascinating.

I don't deny one can find a decent PSU quite easily nowadays, but there are also an influx of "new" PSU brands which could use some vetting through. Case in point, Gigabyte's legendary exploding PSU which looks and sounds good on paper.

we still have a good PSU reviewer here on TPU and of course Steve from GN as two good resources left at least. the industry would be lost without Steve. He deserves to be bigger than Linus.
 
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TPU and of course Steve from GN as two good resources

I would personally disagree with the latter. In fact I regard anything coming from Steve as nonsense unless he is just regurgitating something Patrick has reviewed for him (mostly cases)
 
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I would personally disagree with the latter. In fact I regard anything coming from Steve as nonsense unless he is just regurgitating something Patrick has reviewed for him (mostly cases)
Well everyone has to have someone on the stage and Steve's it.
 
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I would personally disagree with the latter. In fact I regard anything coming from Steve as nonsense unless he is just regurgitating something Patrick has reviewed for him (mostly cases)
Steve took lessons from Jon himself, so it's pretty fair to consider him up there now.
 
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I would personally disagree with the latter. In fact I regard anything coming from Steve as nonsense unless he is just regurgitating something Patrick has reviewed for him (mostly cases)
How come? Do you have any specific reason to distrust his analyses? Beyond that though, it's rather natural for a channel to have a single presenter for videos even if the review work was done by others on the team.
 
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Steve took lessons from Jon himself, so it's pretty fair to consider him up there now.
He had him on his show once, it hardly makes his a master (much less "up there") which goes into the next answer...
How come? Do you have any specific reason to distrust his analyses? Beyond that though, it's rather natural for a channel to have a single presenter for videos even if the review work was done by others on the team.
A few reasons;
I find him arrogant when he declares other people's work "flawed" yet comes running into PC hardware review segments as a novice but declaring his reviews as the gold standard.
I find he makes mountains out of mole hill issues (mostly to extend his segments, more on that below) yet fails to really look into the issue to see if it even impacts users.
I find his videos far too long and can easily be condensed to five minutes if you remove the hair flipping, the constant use of "ums", and the repetitive dialogue. Now from a business stand point I totally understand the decision of long videos. Youtubers make far more money once their videos pass ten minutes but from the consumer side of watching them, they are painful to me.
The whole TPU issue with him a few years ago could have been handled with a simple statement from him (on air or on his site) instead he makes a 20 minute video so he can make money off of it.
Many of the GN web site reviews are video only now, I get the business decision of this but still sucks as I personally prefer written reviews.

That said the case reviews are excellent in my opinion.
 
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the hair flipping
That's just a side effect of long hair. I grew mine out for a year or so and had to constantly push it back so I could see anything. I chopped it short because I had to do stuff in the tech lab (saws, belt sanders, drill press, etc.) for school and when I leaned down to use a tool I could see maybe 1 foot from my feet which was not great.
the constant use of "ums"
I personally don't mind that since I feel it makes the videos more than a talking head. One of the reasons I unsubbed from LTT (I like their forums but am not a fan of the videos) is that everything was scripted and while they do their best to make it seem not just reading a script it's not too great. "um" is just a part of everyday life.
 
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He had him on his show once, it hardly makes his a master (much less "up there") which goes into the next answer...

A few reasons;
I find him arrogant when he declares other people's work "flawed" yet comes running into PC hardware review segments as a novice but declaring his reviews as the gold standard.
I find he makes mountains out of mole hill issues (mostly to extend his segments, more on that below) yet fails to really look into the issue to see if it even impacts users.
I find his videos far too long and can easily be condensed to five minutes if you remove the hair flipping, the constant use of "ums", and the repetitive dialogue. Now from a business stand point I totally understand the decision of long videos. Youtubers make far more money once their videos pass ten minutes but from the consumer side of watching them, they are painful to me.
The whole TPU issue with him a few years ago could have been handled with a simple statement from him (on air or on his site) instead he makes a 20 minute video so he can make money off of it.
Many of the GN web site reviews are video only now, I get the business decision of this but still sucks as I personally prefer written reviews.

That said the case reviews are excellent in my opinion.
I can understand part of what you're saying, but I also have some issues with your reasoning. The first reason you present is an outright logical fallacy. Inexperience does in no way render one incapable of telling if something is flawed or not. More difficult? Sure. Less likely to know what to look for? Sure. But that's statistics. Some people still manage to analyze things well despite not having much experience with those things in particular. An outside perspective can help you see things in a different light or see past bad conventions. For this to be a problem, you need to demonstrate that their takes are significantly wrong in some way. Also, hasn't GN been running PC hardware reviews for like a decade? Sure, that wasn't their focus in the early years, but calling them inexperienced at this point is rather strange. And whether it's Steve or other team members doing various parts of the work is immaterial to this.

Also, saying he fails to see if issues affect users - how would they do that? Run a survey? Wouldn't they first need to present the problem to do that? And if a bad design gets by due to not breaking anything, is that a reason to not call it out? I'd rather say they have a set of principles and adhere to them. That makes their reviews trustworthy and less biased than most, even if it also at times causes them to overemphasise small elements.

I agree it's a shame that their reviews are often video only, but I never found their written reviews particularly good, so it seems they're just better at audiovisual presentations than written ones. And that's fine, even if it would be great if they did both.

I don't think I remember any GN+TPU thing happening. So it can't have bothered me much.

As for video length etc...Meh. It is what it is. GPU reviews and the like need to present all the data, so they're stuck with that even if it's all very skippable. I skip past 90% of individual game benchmarks in written reviews too, so that's a moot point to me. The videos where they discuss and analyze things tend to spend their time on arguments and looking into issues, which I find worthwhile, even if I might watch the video split into three. A shorter version of those videos would just come off as hyperbolic and poorly argued, which would be far, far worse IMO.

Are they perfect? Obviously not. But among tech reviews today, they're still among the most technically detailed, principled and - crucially! - curious ones out there.
 

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I would personally disagree with the latter. In fact I regard anything coming from Steve as nonsense unless he is just regurgitating something Patrick has reviewed for him (mostly cases)

Steve holds the industry accountable with his influence, he is a great asset to our hobby/community imo.

I would not have known about the Gigabyte PSU issues for example if it wasn't for the team HE created to test lots of stuff. Steve is awesome man.
 
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Steve holds the industry accountable with his influence, he is a great asset to our hobby/community imo.

I would not have known about the Gigabyte PSU issues for example if it wasn't for the team HE created to test lots of stuff. Steve is awesome man.
whoa there, that issue was widely reported in (reputable) reviews:


i for one, is grateful for cmaris since OKW/JG stopped writing.
 

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whoa there, that issue was widely reported in (reputable) reviews:


i for one, is grateful for cmaris since OKW/JG stopped writing.

ok then the Intel debacle a few years ago that Steve reported on. where he went to the review company and sat down with them.

I can keep giving examples if you like.

NZXT, etc.
 
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ok then the Intel debacle a few years ago that Steve reported on. where he went to the review company and sat down with them.

I can keep giving examples if you like.
the topic here is not some investigative journalism hub bub. when it comes to PSUs, tech jesus is far from the only capable reviewer.

but keep liting candles in your shrine, i understand
 

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the topic here is not some investigative journalism hub bub. when it comes to PSUs, tech jesus is far from the only capable reviewer.

but keep liting candles in your shrine, i understand

I like the way he presents material... no different than a booktuber, some booktubers I like more than others... wth does it matter which one we watch? lol you go watch yours and I'll go watch mine. its a big world g.
 

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We still need thorough psu reviews
 
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I like the way he presents material... no different than a booktuber, some booktubers I like more than others... wth does it matter which one we watch? lol you go watch yours and I'll go watch mine. its a big world g.
sure, whatever anyone wants to watch is perfectly fine. and GN has some very educational and entertaining videos. but when it comes PSU reviews, then you have to consider GN has done zero of those.

ya know pointing that out doesn't mean i'm trying to throw any shade.
 

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sure, whatever anyone wants to watch is perfectly fine. and GN has some very educational and entertaining videos. but when it comes PSU reviews, then you have to consider GN has done zero of those.

ya know pointing that out doesn't mean i'm trying to throw any shade.

you apparently don't watch his videos then, because in last few months he mentioned a couple times he has invested heavily in making a new PSU testing space. i don't know if its up and running or not yet. but I do remember him mentioning it, I think he even hired a new guy for it, but not sure on that one.
 
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