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Intel Xe-HPG Arc Alchemist Graphics Card Alleged Pricing Points Towards $650-$825 Range

trparky said:
Actually, Apple is TSMC's number one customer. Based upon what I learned while buying something in an Apple Store this morning, even Apple is being hit by the chip shortages. iPhone stock, especially for their Pro models, are really low. The young woman who was helping me told me that people are having to wait as far out as the middle of November to get their iPhones. I told her that I guess it was a good idea that I stood outside the Apple Store for two hours like an idiot on launch day. She laughed as I said that.
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Yes but they are supposedly on 6nm and won't affect Apple at all . Intel have already said they are happy to sell to miners and anyone for that matter. The prices are also not goung to be cheap either from what we have seen so far.
If you thought you were going to get a great discount think again, which leads me back to my original comment they are planning on cashing in bigtime anyway they can .
Its all about the $$$$$$$$$...
 
A tempting offer on price would have been a good way to introduce their first line of cards to the world. I guess they don't have to care in a market where people are happy to buy any overpriced piece of crap.
 
GURU7OF9 said:
Yes but they are supposedly on 6nm and won't affect Apple at all . Intel have already said they are happy to sell to miners and anyone for that matter. The prices are also not goung to be cheap either from what we have seen so far.
If you thought you were going to get a great discount think again, which leads me back to my original comment they are planning on cashing in bigtime anyway they can .
Its all about the $$$$$$$$$...
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Apples currently on 5NP for latest phones. Enhancement node of 5N. or "5nm+"

I'll laugh when people start to justify sub 150mm2 "entry" dies being sold at $400+ USD MSRP. The market is making Apple of all companies look like a value company. It's mind boggling.
 
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It feels like ageia physx again lol
 
Intel never were good at making GPUs and especially drivers for them, furthermore, all know how they lost their battle to AMD on CPU market.
Now they are taking the android approach with big.little cores because they still cannot get a better process just to say to the world how they are innovating
while doing something which has already been done in the past.
All these prices... We already knew they would be steep and a lot of us already know that the GPUs won't be good enough for any price.
NEVER will I buy their graphics cards.
 
Read somewhere recently that someone at TSMC said production is better now and doesn't understand why some still report major shortages, i quote

TSMC Alleges Some Customers Are Hoarding Chips Creating Artificial Shortages​

Good job Amd,Nvidia, Intel and others.
While some fanboys here fight about how one is better than the other they are laughing and ripping us off, they will never give up this shortages thing.
 
Luminescent said:
Read somewhere recently that someone at TSMC said production is better now and doesn't understand why some still report major shortages, i quote

TSMC Alleges Some Customers Are Hoarding Chips Creating Artificial Shortages​

Good job Amd,Nvidia, Intel and others.
While some fanboys here fight about how one is better than the other they are laughing and ripping us off, they will never give up this shortages thing.
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On the subject of price fixing, were you aware that if America released all the gold it has in storage onto the market at once, it would practically be worthless.
It only holds value due to it's scarcity.
 
If they keep this up these gpu's will be worth more than gold, just saw ads of people servicing and maintaining video cards.
I pray my card will have a long long life.
 
Luminescent said:
Good job Amd,Nvidia, Intel and others.
While some fanboys here fight about how one is better than the other they are laughing and ripping us off, they will never give up this shortages thing.
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That's a very misguided idea, people on tech forums sometimes seem to think that only Amd, Nvidia, Intel, (insert whatever relevant tech product is in the discussion context) exist when there's literally thousands of different things that need to be made either at TSMC or any other of the dozens of semi fab companies.

Talking specifically about that article were TSMC head mentions stockpiling, he clearly mentions they don't know where it's happening in the supply chain (i mean of course they have some ideas), so any number of parts or different suppliers might be playing the market here - and I mean any supplier, mosfets, diodes, controllers of any type, all that shit needs to be fabbed and packaged somewhere. Processor core dies are far from the only thing in short supply even if they're indeed one of the hardest to manufacture.
 
I don't know why are people stoked about Intel discrete GPUs...
I had several of their integrated ones and always had problems with them.
Why should with discrete be any better, if anything, it should be worse.
Regarding prices, everything tech nowadays is 100 percent more and above,
if someone has to bite the bullet and buy a graphics card because either what they have is dead or nearing end of life,
they will go with AMD or Nvidia.
Why buy something from first generation of GPUs when you have the option to buy something that's been refining for years?
 
Luminescent said:
If they keep this up these gpu's will be worth more than gold, just saw ads of people servicing and maintaining video cards.
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No, if this keeps up gaming as we know it on the PC will be dead. At this point they might as well just call it what they are, mining cards.

I've gotten to the point where I don't even get excited about new games since I'll probably never going to be able to buy let alone afford to buy the hardware to play those new games. Mark my words, if these graphics card shortages end up lasting much longer this is going to affect the gaming industry in the sense that game developers are going to stop investing as much money into making games since who's going to have the hardware to play them. Get ready folks, if you hated DLC then get ready for even more along with even more loot boxes.

RIP PC gaming, it was nice while it lasted.

As much as this might sounds like heresy, I hope that game companies start taking Apple with their M1 Pro and M1 Max chips seriously. At least they have graphics capabilities built into the chip that's at least worth more than a bucket of warm spit. Yes, AMD does have APUs but performance when compared to what the M1 Pro and M1 Max has they're lackluster at best. Come on AMD, you guys need to do better already; you guys might be the only thing that saves PC gaming as we know it.
 
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trparky said:
No, if this keeps up gaming as we know it on the PC will be dead. At this point they might as well just call it what they are, mining cards.

I've gotten to the point where I don't even get excited about new games since I'll probably never going to be able to buy let alone afford to buy the hardware to play those new games. Mark my words, if these graphics card shortages end up lasting much longer this is going to affect the gaming industry in the sense that game developers are going to stop investing as much money into making games since who's going to have the hardware to play them. Get ready folks, if you hated DLC then get ready for even more along with even more loot boxes.

RIP PC gaming, it was nice while it lasted.

As much as this might sounds like heresy, I hope that game companies start taking Apple with their M1 Pro and M1 Max chips seriously. At least they have graphics capabilities built into the chip that's at least worth more than a bucket of warm spit. Yes, AMD does have APUs but performance when compared to what the M1 Pro and M1 Max has they're lackluster at best. Come on AMD, you guys need to do better already; you guys might be the only thing that saves PC gaming as we know it.
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I think that's the wrong way to think about it, prices will get down again and developers focusing on storytelling instead of just pushing higher graphics is not entirely a bad thing. Just look at what they're able to do with consoles where they need to stretch every tiny bit of performance.

New hardware is cool, we might not be able to get it or afford it at first but give it a year or two and will be able to rip the benefits without paying for the early adopter tax
 
trsttte said:
That's a very misguided idea, people on tech forums sometimes seem to think that only Amd, Nvidia, Intel, (insert whatever relevant tech product is in the discussion context) exist when there's literally thousands of different things that need to be made either at TSMC or any other of the dozens of semi fab companies.

Talking specifically about that article were TSMC head mentions stockpiling, he clearly mentions they don't know where it's happening in the supply chain (i mean of course they have some ideas), so any number of parts or different suppliers might be playing the market here - and I mean any supplier, mosfets, diodes, controllers of any type, all that shit needs to be fabbed and packaged somewhere. Processor core dies are far from the only thing in short supply even if they're indeed one of the hardest to manufacture.
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Then why apple doesn't have a problem ? no scalping there ehh, or mobile phones from hundreds of brands, no problem there either, i don't see samsung galaxy or iphones being sold at 5 times more because of the chips shortages.
This is stupid, we all see it.
 
Luminescent said:
Then why apple doesn't have a problem ? no scalping there ehh, or mobile phones from hundreds of brands, no problem there either, i don't see samsung galaxy or iphones being sold at 5 times more because of the chips shortages.
This is stupid, we all see it.
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Different markets, differents demand, different allocations. GPU have a big crypto demand right now, as do building new computers. Phones are kind of constant, now maybe a bit less because people are at home so no need for new phones (although it's increasing because everyone killed their batteries while at home and need a new phone :D). And I mean, did you see what happened when the Airpods max released? They were also scalped hard, it just didn't last anywhere near as long because it's a different type of product.

Talking specifically of Apple, they are usually masters at managing a stable supply chain but are now also feeling the burn of shortages (just as toyota, they were also resisting relatively well but started feeling the shortages a month or two ago), and where fabbing their SoCs is concerned they are happily overpaying for most of the capacity of a node that is not yet very mature (5nm) because their gross margin is huge either way with the prices they charge for their stupid iPhones and everything else.
 
screwem all amd inteal and nvidai DIY PC & GAMINg ARE DEAD, IM GOING TO CONSOLE, K+JUST GOT ME A a SERIES X for 499 usd so F**k PC IM OUT THE PC MASTER RACE CUZ OF GPU PRICES... IM GOING BACK TO CONSOLES FUK THIS..


NOTHING WITH GPU ARE GONNA CHANGE UNLESS WE GET THE SOCIALIST LEFT AND SLEEPY JOE BIDEN OUT AND TRUMP BACK IN ADN HE FIX THE F***ING SUPPL CHAIN TAHT IS SO F***KED RIGHT NOW!!

F**K THE DEEPSTATE
 
Adam Krazispeed said:
screwem all amd inteal and nvidai DIY PC & GAMINg ARE DEAD, IM GOING TO CONSOLE, K+JUST GOT ME A a SERIES X for 499 usd so F**k PC IM OUT THE PC MASTER RACE CUZ OF GPU PRICES... IM GOING BACK TO CONSOLES FUK THIS..


NOTHING WITH GPU ARE GONNA CHANGE UNLESS WE GET THE SOCIALIST LEFT AND SLEEPY JOE BIDEN OUT AND TRUMP BACK IN ADN HE FIX THE F***ING SUPPL CHAIN TAHT IS SO F***KED RIGHT NOW!!

F**K THE DEEPSTATE
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Tilt.
 
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Prices will be insane. The main problem is mining, not chip shortage. Even when new fabs open, i doubt there will be decrease in prices. Better availability yes, but not lower prices. Because miners want to buy as many cards as they can. At any price. Talking about those mega mining farms, not some average gamer who wants to play games and mine a little while not gaming on his single card. I am going the way of XBOX Series S or X as well. And i just hope nobody figures out any time soon how to jailbreak new consoles. Because miners would buy all of them as well.
 
I blame Raja Koduri
 
Luminescent said:
Read somewhere recently that someone at TSMC said production is better now and doesn't understand why some still report major shortages, i quote

TSMC Alleges Some Customers Are Hoarding Chips Creating Artificial Shortages​

Good job Amd,Nvidia, Intel and others.
While some fanboys here fight about how one is better than the other they are laughing and ripping us off, they will never give up this shortages thing.
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I've said this many many many times and I'll say it again .. just check all these companies earnings since the "shortage" they are all making record profits.
On MSRP of $500 if all the expenses to make and put a card on the shelf is $400 (probable more) they might make $100(probable less), but when selling the same card $1000 they are not doubling the profit $1000 - $400 = $600 vs $100 their profit goes up 6 times.
So can somebody tell me what would their incentive be to rush more cards on the market ???
 
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