Frametime spikes and stuttering after switching to AMD CPU?

[Montelo]

Hmm...



latest BIOS is important, but you also have to reset the BIOS and enter it 1x after Windows OS Setup including drivers etc. is finished because some bios only recognize Windows Features etc. when everything is done. Also check settings and enable resizable BAR etc.

Install Gigabyte Control Center and check again for updates
You have to install latest AMD Chipset driver manually https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/chipsets/am4/b550.html


For CS2 enable net_graph .... set max FPS to your Monitor refresh rate and use a DP DisplayPort Cable for G-Sync (you have to enable it inside Nvidia Settings)

My system is ... and i have no issues ... i have better performance (+20FPS - more constant) than ever before with trashy INTEL.

• Windows 10
• NVIDIA RTX4060
• AMD Ryzen 5 5600
• B550 Mainboard
• 32GB DDR4 RAM

i already tried using the chipset drivers and gigabyte controll center that didnt help

but also now that i think about it, i never tried league with a different GPU im gonna try and do that now

 

[oxrufiioxo]

maybe maybe not, i now tried Resident evil 4 i really think this is a CPU issue or something, because League of legends/cs2 stutters way worse then Resident evil 4 or Silent Hill 2

In silent hill or resident evil 4 i only got microstutters, but in league or cs i can feel my screen freeze for a few milliseconds

I have the small feeling the more cpu heavy the game is the more problems i have

At this point it's time to try a new socket it's not like you can't send it back if you have similar issues at that point I'd he looking at electrical wiring or your isp having major issues if a faster wider cpu behaves the same.

 

[Montelo]

At this point it's time to try a new socket it's not like you can't send it back if you have similar issues at that point I'd he looking at electrical wiring or your isp having major issues if a faster wider cpu behaves the same.

yea im gonna get a new socket 100%

but yea im also having stutters with my 1060 in league what shouldnt happen

you guys talked a lot did anything change in what cpu or mainboard i should get?

 

[VT1185MF_Rosaria]

To simplify your CPU/Motherboard choices if you want to upgrade:

An i5 12/13/14/600K(F) + a z690+z790 motherboard with adequate VRM + Good DDR5 memory (As long as it fits your budget). It will be better than Ryzen non X3D chips at gaming.


You can get a Ryzen 7000-9000 series chip if you want a longer upgrade period for your motherboard. You can cut back costs on the motherboard quite a bit as Ryzen does not require a comparatively powerful vrm as compared to their intel counterparts.


Onto your issue, I would still recommend borrowing a motherboard or taking your cpu/ram/gpu to a PC store (for them to test) to see if the issue still persists. I had to do similar troubleshooting on my PC and I found out it was a storage issue as HWinfo polled drive status aggressively. Disabling the storage polling in Thermalright's software killed my issue entirely, but as you have already tried a fresh install of windows on your PC, I think a motherboard swap is in order before you fully commit on buying a new motherboard and processor.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Did Intel fix Raptor Lake chips? If they didn't, then get an Alder Lake. (12th gen)

 

[phanbuey]

Did Intel fix Raptor Lake chips? If they didn't, then get an Alder Lake. (12th gen)

Yes and the 14600ks didn't die very often at all - it was mostly limited to 14900/14700/13900 and rarely 13700's - it was mostly the chips that were getting 1.5V to hit 6Ghz smashed into them every few miliseconds.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Yes and the 14600ks didn't die very often at all - it was mostly limited to 14900/14700/13900 and rarely 13700's - it was mostly the chips that were getting 1.5V to hit 6Ghz smashed into them every few miliseconds.

Is it like Northwood? I saw multiple reports that Northwoods degrade easily with a lot of Vcore, but a little Vcore goes a long way on Northwoods. Reminds me of that incident 19 years ago, if not 20-something years ago, with socket 478. 20-something years ago, it was socket 462 Athlon chips that craved Vcore!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

you guys talked a lot did anything change in what cpu or mainboard i should get?

Part List - Intel Core i5-14600KF - PCPartPicker

Part List - Intel Core i5-14600KF

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No, a Z series mobo and a 14600K are the best option in the here and now if being able to upgrade in socket isn't appealing to you down the line.


The only alternative I would look at is the R5 7500F if you want to make a bet Zen 6 will be awesome I think that cpu goes for around 140 in Germany it's probably what you should have bought in the first place it's slower at everything vs the 14600k but a 9000X3D is already better than everything else at gaming and it or Zen6 X3D could be worth an upgrade in a couple years vs having to replace the whole platform in 3-4 with Raptorlake. I still think the Raptorlake cpu is the safe bet you are getting a very good gaming cpu in the here and now and nothing going forward is guaranteed with 9000X3D maybe never getting cheap enough to be worth dropping in I just wanted to at least throw this scenario in.


The other options is the core ultra series, you would be making a bet that at some point it is noticeably better than Raptorlake and it starts to beat the Am5 top cpu's at gaming if that is a half decade from now when everyone should be upgrading them to me that was still a waste of money lol but different people place different values on stuff I use one of the most stupid cpu for gaming and really enjoy it so living with the hardware is a lot different than looking at bar graphs with FPS on it.


All three scenarios have pros and cons with the main con of core ultra being quite a bit out of your desired less the 500 budget.


That is what I would be contemplating anyways but we can give you recommendations till we are blue in the face but the reality is everyone has biases so the best thing to do is research all the options that are being presented to you from hopefully unbiased reviewers like W1z and make a decision on what best fits your needs. We can recommend all sorts of different hardware but at the end of the day you are the one that is going to be living with it so while you are waiting watch videos of the games you play with similar hardware you are looking at etc, google the issues people have had with the hardware, and then when the time comes hopefully you have enough information to make an informed decision.

 

[Montelo]

Part List - Intel Core i5-14600KF - PCPartPicker

Part List - Intel Core i5-14600KF

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No, a Z series mobo and a 14600K are the best option in the here and now if being able to upgrade in socket isn't appealing to you down the line.


The only alternative I would look at is the R5 7500F if you want to make a bet Zen 6 will be awesome I think that cpu goes for around 140 in Germany it's probably what you should have bought in the first place it's slower at everything vs the 14600k but a 9000X3D is already better than everything else at gaming and it or Zen6 X3D could be worth an upgrade in a couple years vs having to replace the whole platform in 3-4 with Raptorlake. I still think the Raptorlake cpu is the safe bet you are getting a very good gaming cpu in the here and now and nothing going forward is guaranteed with 9000X3D maybe never getting cheap enough to be worth dropping in I just wanted to at least throw this scenario in.


The other options is the core ultra series, you would be making a bet that at some point it is noticeably better than Raptorlake and it starts to beat the Am5 top cpu's at gaming if that is a half decade from now when everyone should be upgrading them to me that was still a waste of money lol but different people place different values on stuff I use one of the most stupid cpu for gaming and really enjoy it so living with the hardware is a lot different than looking at bar graphs with FPS on it.


All three scenarios have pros and cons with the main con of core ultra being quite a bit out of your desired less the 500 budget.


That is what I would be contemplating anyways but we can give you recommendations till we are blue in the face but the reality is everyone has biases so the best thing to do is research all the options that are being presented to you from hopefully unbiased reviewers like W1z and make a decision on what best fits your needs. We can recommend all sorts of different hardware but at the end of the day you are the one that is going to be living with it so while you are waiting watch videos of the games you play with similar hardware you are looking at etc, google the issues people have had with the hardware, and then when the time comes hopefully you have enough information to make an informed decision.

if im not able to find a good Z motherboard would the MSI B760 still be a "okay" take?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

if im not able to find a good Z motherboard would the MSI B760 still be a "okay" take?

There's a lot of downsides to the B760 but as far as just dropping it in and enabling XMP you'll be fine. I just think if you want to keep the system 3 ish years the things the Z790 offers you are worthwhile, memory upgrades, tuning the 14600k, even selling it at some point when you upgrade will be easier with a Z board, the much better connectivity as well.

You'll just be much less limited but if saving 60 ish is make or break for you then you don't really have a choice it's just in my eyes worth it but again it's your hard earned money so you got to make that decision.

I also look at your luck with the B550 and just think somthing a little more robust will just give you a slightly higher chance for everything to play nice. There is no reason for this other than looking at your recent motherboard history lol.

It's just my recommendation and what I'd do personally in your situation what you ultimately decide to do is 100% your choice and you got to make the decision the best fits your monetary situation.

@phanbuey has a lot of experience with that platform and he had very good luck with an MSI board so I think you'll be fine at a base level regardless of what you pick.

 

[Montelo]

There's a lot of downsides to the B760 but as far as just dropping it in and enabling XMP you'll be fine. I just think if you want to keep the system 3 ish years the things the Z790 offers you are worthwhile, memory upgrades, tuning the 14600k, even selling it at some point when you upgrade will be easier with a Z board, the much better connectivity as well.

You'll just be much less limited but if saving 60 ish is make or break for you then you don't really have a choice it's just in my eyes worth it but again it's your hard earned money so you got to make that decision.

I also look at your luck with the B550 and just think somthing a little more robust will just give you a slightly higher chance for everything to play nice. There is no reason for this other than looking at your recent motherboard history lol.

It's just my recommendation and what I'd do personally in your situation what you ultimately decide to do is 100% your choice and you got to make the decision the best fits your monetary situation.

@phanbuey has a lot of experience with that platform and he had very good luck with an MSI board so I think you'll be fine at a base level regardless of what you pick.

Prime day is in a few days i dont know if there will be any good deals, maybe im lucky and i will find a good deal for any board or something

Edit: How about this board for example https://www.mindfactory.de/product_...tel-Z790-So-1700-DDR5-ATX-Retail_1527204.html is this any good?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Prime day is in a few days i dont know if there will be any good deals, maybe im lucky and i will find a good deal for any board or something

Edit: How about this board for example https://www.mindfactory.de/product_...tel-Z790-So-1700-DDR5-ATX-Retail_1527204.html is this any good?

I prefer msi/asus for intel systems. I liks gigabyte when a chipset first launches but they change components so frequently it's hard to know after revision 1.xxxxx if you are getting somthing decent.

I also figured after having issues with your Gigabyte B550 a change of brand would be nice. I've used a ton of gigabyte boards and they've always been super solid but I do feel like people have a lot of issues with their budget offerings and that is still a budget offering just with the Z series chipset.

 

[Montelo]

I prefer msi/asus for intel systems. I liks gigabyte when a chipset first launches but they change components so frequently it's hard to know after revision 1.xxxxx if you are getting somthing decent.

I also figured after having issues with your Gigabyte B550 a change of brand would be nice. I've used a ton of gigabyte boards and they've always been super solid but I do feel like people have a lot of issues with their budget offerings and that is still a budget offering just with the Z series chipset.

alright, well i really just hope my problem will be solved after doing this switch, i dont know what i should do if im still having problems

Edit: im also thinking about trying to get a new CPU first something like the 5700x3d for testing purposes since i can easily send it back that would also be kinda easy, or do you think that would be time waste?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

alright, well i really just hope my problem will be solved after doing this switch, i dont know what i should do if im still having problems

Edit: im also thinking about trying to get a new CPU first something like the 5700x3d for testing purposes since i can easily send it back that would also be kinda easy, or do you think that would be time waste?

It's your time and everything is worth a shot honestly. I would give it a shot the 5700X3D is super solid still.

I would do a clean install on your known good drive of windows. Look into the LTSC version of windows.

 

[Montelo]

It's your time and everything is worth a shot honestly. I would give it a shot the 5700X3D is super solid still.

I would do a clean install on your known good drive of windows. Look into the LTSC version of windows.

will do

 

[agent_x007]

OK, I read through the thread
Q : Can you list USB devices you have attached (that's including any/all USB powered devices like, audio decks, RGB controllers, USB hubs, etc. aside from usual mice/keyboard stuff), and... what your audio configuration looks like (USB attached DAC, build-in NV side [via monitor], build-in MB side [via minijack Realtek/other audio company], etc.) ?

In short : My guess at this point is either USB device/controller glitch, and/or Audio driver/device issue (can be both, if your audio is USB attached instead of PCI-e ).

 

[Montelo]

OK, I read through the thread
Q : Can you list USB devices you have attached (that's including any/all USB powered devices like, audio decks, RGB controllers, USB hubs, etc. aside from usual mice/keyboard stuff), and... what your audio configuration looks like (USB attached DAC, build-in NV side [via monitor], build-in MB side [via minijack Realtek/other audio company], etc.) ?

In short : My guess at this point is either USB device/controller glitch, and/or Audio driver/device issue (can be both, if your audio is USB attached instead of PCI-e ).

The only USB devices that are in my PC are

Wireless Razer Viper V2 Dongle
Wooting 60HE USB
Steelseries Arctis 7 Bluetooth USB Receiver
Hyper X Quadcast S USB MIC

Thats all I had a USB hub before but I removed it since i also thought that could be a problem, sadly it was Not the problem.

 

[agent_x007]

OK : Hyper X Quadcast S USB MIC... and what about rest of audio setup ?

 

[Montelo]

OK : Hyper X Quadcast S USB MIC... and what about rest of audio setup ?

Thats it just the mic and my steelseries arctis 7 there is nothing more, or what do you mean exactly

 

[agent_x007]

What audio device you use as your output :
1) Is it build-in audio inside MB,
2) External DAC/seperate PCIe card
3) NVidia Audio codec, since you connect headphones into monitor ?

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

Did Intel fix Raptor Lake chips?

this is just "Worse" on a specific batch, other batches don't degrade that fast specially when you're on the latest firmware/BIOS...I have 13900KS's that haven't degraded yet as they are manually tuned, the risk is on those who use AUTO voltages on a daily basis and poorly cools their chips..(fond of seeing 60c as idle temps as a norm..lol, and the TJ max is ought to be your max temps always..lol..)

 

[Montelo]

What audio device you use as your output :
1) Is it build-in audio inside MB,
2) External DAC/seperate PCIe card
3) NVidia Audio codec, since you connect headphones into monitor ?

Should be inside audio from the MB

 

[agent_x007]

If that's the case, and if you want to try something different - I would first disconnect USB mic (temporary), and try following options :
1) Disable build-in audio codec (in UEFI/BIOS), and try to run from nvidia audio device through your monitor (assuming, it has audio output).
2) Test your game without audio if your monitor doesn't have audio outputs (game will run, since NV audio should be detected you simply won't have anything connected to it).
3) Alternatively, force-disable Nvidia audio device in device manager (assuming you are not using it for something).
Since it can also do weird things when driver has bugs.
^When all those fail to net any improvement, connect USB MIC again.

Last thing of note :
NV has pretty big issues with drivers lately and because of this, I wouldn't recommend going newer than 566.36 driver version if you don't have Blackwell GPU (or encounter issues with latest games using this older driver).

 

[Montelo]

If that's the case, and if you want to try something different - I would first disconnect USB mic (temporary), and try following options :
1) Disable build-in audio codec (in UEFI/BIOS), and try to run from nvidia audio device through your monitor (assuming, it has audio output).
2) Test your game without audio if your monitor doesn't have audio outputs (game will run, since NV audio should be detected you simply won't have anything connected to it).
3) Alternatively, force-disable Nvidia audio device in device manager (assuming you are not using it for something).
Since it can also do weird things when driver has bugs.
^When all those fail to net any improvement, connect USB MIC again.

Last thing of note :
NV has pretty big issues with drivers lately and because of this, I wouldn't recommend going newer than 566.36 driver version if you don't have Blackwell GPU (or encounter issues with latest games using this older driver).

Didnt seem to help either.
i also tried the 566.36 driver didnt seem to help aswell

 

[efikkan]

19 pages in, and nobody has yet addressed the elephant in the room;
He switched from an 11th gen Intel, a generation known for having very consistent performance and excellent latency in games and applications, to a Zen 3 which is a couple of tiers worse in this regard. You might not like to hear this, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the machine. This is "expected" behavior.

Some people are very sensitive to latency, and it's not a matter of preference. For those who don't experience it; for some of us it's super distracting. From what I've seen in the posted videos, this is not the kind of latency tested for in reviews, even 0.1% lows will not catch such very minor occasional spikes. The frametimes shown here are for most people "excellent", and the spikes seems small enough that they either don't show up at all or as a single spike. And for those suggesting this might be RAM or VRAM issues; they would be much more severe. But these issues are certainly real, and for those who are bothered with this, it's very distracting from an otherwise smooth gameplay. (it's almost worse than having constant stutter)

So unless I've misread OP, I believe this is just very minor latencies coming from the CPU architecture, and I would suggest two options;
- Live with it, as long as you can. Save up more money and do a worthy upgrade.
- Replace the CPU/motherboard. I see the back and forth about Raptor Lake vs. Arrow Lake; yes Raptor Lake has higher peak FPS, but they are also more inconsistent, especially with stock power limits. My pick would be 265k, but I would encourage OP to try a friend's computer to experience it if at all possible.

One thing that I would do to confirm would be to try Ubuntu and run e.g. CS there, that's a completely different software stack, and if the problem persists, then you known for sure this is hardware behavior. But this may be outside your comfort zone, and would probably take you more than the 30 mins. it would take if I could be there to help you. So don't waste time on this unless you're willing.