Frametime spikes and stuttering after switching to AMD CPU?

[Montelo]

How often do Mainboard cause stutters tho

 

[3x0]

How often do Mainboard cause stutters tho

I've seen a motherboard cause a Ryzen CPU to be constantly locked to 500MHz, so anything is possible I guess.

 

[Colddecked]

How often do Mainboard cause stutters tho

High temps on VRMs can lead to throttling. Pretty hard to do that with a 5600 but maybe there's a defect with your MB?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

How often do Mainboard cause stutters tho

Extremely rare but not impossible. Cpu socket on the fritz, faulty component that still works but is either drawing too much voltage or pinging the cpu too often usb controlers/nic etc. Just a manufacturing defect, motherboards are very complex with a lot of traces and smd one part acting up can causes issues.

If you get the msi board and still have issues you're going to need to test your outlet to make sure it's supplying clean energy at proper voltage, make sure none of your USB devices are faulty with the mouse and keyboard being the most likely culprit but if you tested multiple of each already that is unlikely.

Ram, you could have gotten 2 kits that just don't behave with ryzen which unfortunately is possible much more so than with Intel. I made a point of using all Samsung Bdie on Am4 systems not becuase it was absolutely necessary but becuase it worked fantastically for me every time specially 3200CL14 from Gskill/Teamgroup.

High temps on VRMs can lead to throttling. Pretty hard to do that with a 5600 but maybe there's a defect with your MB?

Only thing I believe the OP hasn't swapped is the power supply and motherboard afaik.

While it isn't impossible for it to be the psu, considering he's using pretty low powered parts I would suspect the mobo out of what he has left he had a 9060XT that was slightly better but still acted similar to the 3070. So he's probably chugging less than 300w with a 700w psu.

 

[Montelo]

Extremely rare but not impossible. Cpu socket on the fritz, faulty component that still works but is either drawing too much voltage or pinging the cpu too often usb controlers/nic etc. Just a manufacturing defect, motherboards are very complex with a lot of traces and smd one part acting up can causes issues.

If you get the msi board and still have issues you're going to need to test your outlet to make sure it's supplying clean energy at proper voltage, make sure none of your USB devices are faulty with the mouse and keyboard being the most likely culprit but if you tested multiple of each already that is unlikely.

Ram, you could have gotten 2 kits that just don't behave with ryzen which unfortunately is possible much more so than with Intel. I made a point of using all Samsung Bdie on Am4 systems not becuase it was absolutely necessary but becuase it worked fantastically for me every time specially 3200CL14 from Gskill/Teamgroup.



Only thing I believe the OP hasn't swapped is the power supply and motherboard afaik.

While it isn't impossible for it to be the psu, considering he's using pretty low powered parts I would suspect the mobo out of what he has left he had a 9060XT that was slightly better but still acted similar to the 3070. So he's probably chugging less than 300w with a 700w psu.

I used a PSU Tester and the voltages seemed fine

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I used a PSU Tester and the voltages seemed fine

Voltage under stress is what's important and it's very hard for a normal person without very expensive equipment to test that afaik.

I'd still place it as doubtful but a computer requires good clean power to function as the psu is the heart of the system so to speak so not impossible.

 

[Montelo]

mainboard should arrive soon, i tried some cyberpunk and it ran kinda fine, but even Normal Elden ring is lagging why do some games run fine now and some dont.

https://imgur.com/a/1rWTNLk

https://imgur.com/a/8l2CohL

Edit:
its really weird, i tried elden ring and baldurs gate 3 now with the 1060 i had no problems really except maybe 1-2 stutters but that was probably because the 1060 is not really strong,
Then i tried elden ring with my 3070 and i had no stutters (i didnt play long maybe 5 minutes) but yesterday i already had multiple stutters after 5 minutes.
sometimes i have the feeling when the pc is not turned on for long it works better, or it worked now because i disabled wallpaper engine and i was not in a discord call but i already tried that multiple times before and it didnt help, this is so weird man

I just tried baldurs gate 3 on my rtx 3070 and it didnt even took 20 seconds for the stutters to show up

Edit 2:

https://imgur.com/a/jMGUpqp

https://imgur.com/a/LxH4aZA

sooooooo.

After the mainboard swap im still having stutters like these

 

[Pets4Ever]

mainboard should arrive soon, i tried some cyberpunk and it ran kinda fine, but even Normal Elden ring is lagging why do some games run fine now and some dont.

https://imgur.com/a/1rWTNLk

https://imgur.com/a/8l2CohL

Edit:
its really weird, i tried elden ring and baldurs gate 3 now with the 1060 i had no problems really except maybe 1-2 stutters but that was probably because the 1060 is not really strong,
Then i tried elden ring with my 3070 and i had no stutters (i didnt play long maybe 5 minutes) but yesterday i already had multiple stutters after 5 minutes.
sometimes i have the feeling when the pc is not turned on for long it works better, or it worked now because i disabled wallpaper engine and i was not in a discord call but i already tried that multiple times before and it didnt help, this is so weird man

I just tried baldurs gate 3 on my rtx 3070 and it didnt even took 20 seconds for the stutters to show up

Edit 2:

https://imgur.com/a/jMGUpqp

https://imgur.com/a/LxH4aZA

sooooooo.

After the mainboard swap im still having stutters like these

What are the max temps you're hitting on the GPU during testing this game?

Have you disabled the Power Monitoring in RivaTuner?

Maybe try turning off Afterburner and Rivatuner, instead use HWINFO64 which will record the max temp your GPU hits and report back.

 

[Montelo]

What are the max temps you're hitting on the GPU during testing this game?

Have you disabled the Power Monitoring in RivaTuner?

Maybe try turning off Afterburner and Rivatuner, instead use HWINFO64 which will record the max temp your GPU hits and report back.

Probably 50 or something.

And I tried disabling it

 

[Pets4Ever]

Probably 50 or something.

And I tried disabling it

I'm interested in if the hotspot temps are near the maximum which google says would be 105 degrees Celcius. Still, even if it was downclocking I'm not sure if it should result in hard stops like that.

So you've replaced the CPU and Motherboard. 1060 seems smoother for the most part. Could be the 3070 is having issues, could also be a power issue maybe? I'm not an expert at how to check that. My approach would be trying a different one.

I still have lingering doubts about the Ram and SSDs. You did swap them, but you swapped to other used parts so I don't consider those ends completely tied up.

 

[Montelo]

both ram kits perform the same, im using the other ssd again for this mainboard performance is also the same, im kinda clueless now to be honest

 

[Pets4Ever]

Longshot idea but easy to test, have you tried the computer in another wall socket? Preferably in another room, maybe in another house if you wanna be super thorough. (careful if you transport the pc, heavy tower coolers are recommended to be removed for transport)

My sister was having weird issues with a crockpot and she bought a new one and finally realized her kitchen circuit had problems.

 

[Montelo]

Longshot idea but easy to test, have you tried the computer in another wall socket? Preferably in another room, maybe in another house if you wanna be super thorough. (careful if you transport the pc, heavy tower coolers are recommended to be removed for transport)

My sister was having weird issues with a crockpot and she bought a new one and finally realized her kitchen circuit had problems.

tried a different wall socket now, same thing.

i wasted so much energy and money now, im not even sure if i should keep the 5700x3d or not the mainboard has to go since it didnt do anything but the cpu helped with league and cs but the rest is still bad

 

[Pets4Ever]

tried a different wall socket now, same thing.

i wasted so much energy and money now, im not even sure if i should keep the 5700x3d or not the mainboard has to go since it didnt do anything but the cpu helped with league and cs but the rest is still bad

Yea makes sense to return the board.

Just to be thorough, when you got the new board, did you do the following?

• Update bios to latest from product page
• fresh install of windows will all updates applied
• install latest chipset drivers from AMD
• run a game with nothing else installed

If so, then the recap looks like this:

CPU - replaced with new - no result
Ram - tried two kits, different brands, used ~no result~
GPU - swapped with older model ~uncertain results~
Mobo - replaced with new - no result
SSD - swapped back and forth - no result
PSU - nothing tried

So my thoughts are:

1. try testing the 1060 again but choose a game that both cards can easily get 60fps in, that way you will know for sure if the 1060 is stuttering or not.

2. if the that doesn't help, try a different gpu, doesn't need to be a powerful one as long as your test game is easy to run.

3. try a different PSU. I realize it's a good brand, and probably not very old but this is a process of elimination. Could be that the reason the 1060 feels a little better is that it's drawing less power




Note about procedure:

I notice you mentioned Wallpaper Engine. While troubleshooting, I would install fresh Windows, Drivers, Steam, and a test game with nothing else so you eliminate the possibility of other variables. I wouldn't install Afterburner after the fresh install either, your hitches are drastic enough to be visible to the naked eye anyway.

I realize you tried going without Afterburner already, but there is a slight possibility that multiple things could be causing stutters, so if you eliminate one at a time the stutter never fully goes away.

The Summer Steam Sale is on now, it's a good time to pick up a game with really low requirements for testing if you don't have one. A "boomer shooter" might be good since they tend to have low requirements and ought to run smoothly on a 1060. "Dusk" comes to mind.

 

[Montelo]

Yea makes sense to return the board.

Just to be thorough, when you got the new board, did you do the following?

• Update bios to latest from product page
• fresh install of windows will all updates applied
• install latest chipset drivers from AMD
• run a game with nothing else installed

If so, then the recap looks like this:

CPU - replaced with new - no result
Ram - tried two kits, different brands, used ~no result~
GPU - swapped with older model ~uncertain results~
Mobo - replaced with new - no result
SSD - swapped back and forth - no result
PSU - nothing tried

So my thoughts are:

1. try testing the 1060 again but choose a game that both cards can easily get 60fps in, that way you will know for sure if the 1060 is stuttering or not.

2. if the that doesn't help, try a different gpu, doesn't need to be a powerful one as long as your test game is easy to run.

3. try a different PSU. I realize it's a good brand, and probably not very old but this is a process of elimination. Could be that the reason the 1060 feels a little better is that it's drawing less power




Note about procedure:

I notice you mentioned Wallpaper Engine. While troubleshooting, I would install fresh Windows, Drivers, Steam, and a test game with nothing else so you eliminate the possibility of other variables. I wouldn't install Afterburner after the fresh install either, your hitches are drastic enough to be visible to the naked eye anyway.

I realize you tried going without Afterburner already, but there is a slight possibility that multiple things could be causing stutters, so if you eliminate one at a time the stutter never fully goes away.

The Summer Steam Sale is on now, it's a good time to pick up a game with really low requirements for testing if you don't have one. A "boomer shooter" might be good since they tend to have low requirements and ought to run smoothly on a 1060. "Dusk" comes to mind.

I tried Palworld with the 1060, its a bit better but still not smooth same with Elden Ring, i already tried playing a game after a fresh windows install, i also disabled Wallpaper engine uninstalled MSI Afterburner, i guess im gonna buy a 5060ti the next days and try that and if that doesnt help i dont know

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

this has been a long and wild goose chase..hope somebody can find a solution..

 

[Chomiq]

mainboard should arrive soon, i tried some cyberpunk and it ran kinda fine, but even Normal Elden ring is lagging why do some games run fine now and some dont.

https://imgur.com/a/1rWTNLk

https://imgur.com/a/8l2CohL

Edit:
its really weird, i tried elden ring and baldurs gate 3 now with the 1060 i had no problems really except maybe 1-2 stutters but that was probably because the 1060 is not really strong,
Then i tried elden ring with my 3070 and i had no stutters (i didnt play long maybe 5 minutes) but yesterday i already had multiple stutters after 5 minutes.
sometimes i have the feeling when the pc is not turned on for long it works better, or it worked now because i disabled wallpaper engine and i was not in a discord call but i already tried that multiple times before and it didnt help, this is so weird man

I just tried baldurs gate 3 on my rtx 3070 and it didnt even took 20 seconds for the stutters to show up

Edit 2:

https://imgur.com/a/jMGUpqp

https://imgur.com/a/LxH4aZA

sooooooo.

After the mainboard swap im still having stutters like these

You do realize that some games will still show a stutter when executing some actions, right? Even something as basic as hovering over UI item can trigger a frametime spike in UE based games, and From Software isn't really known for having the super duper optimized engines.

STUTTER FIX - 12 ways to improve performance & fix stutter :: ELDEN RING General Discussions

I compiled all solutions I've found into this post that allegedly fix stuttering in Elden Ring or at least improve in-game performance somewhat. I used ALL of these solutions/suggestions simultaneously, but the game only really started to run well after I also did step 6 and step 7. The game...

steamcommunity.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tu6ukb/fix_for_pc_stutter_spikes_in_frame_times

Some quick examples showing that you're not the only person that experiencing stutter in ER.

 

[Montelo]

You do realize that some games will still show a stutter when executing some actions, right? Even something as basic as hovering over UI item can trigger a frametime spike in UE based games, and From Software isn't really known for having the super duper optimized engines.

STUTTER FIX - 12 ways to improve performance & fix stutter :: ELDEN RING General Discussions

I compiled all solutions I've found into this post that allegedly fix stuttering in Elden Ring or at least improve in-game performance somewhat. I used ALL of these solutions/suggestions simultaneously, but the game only really started to run well after I also did step 6 and step 7. The game...

steamcommunity.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tu6ukb/fix_for_pc_stutter_spikes_in_frame_times

Some quick examples showing that you're not the only person that experiencing stutter in ER.

i know that, but i have it in nearly every game

At this point im thinking this is probably caused by such a small thing and not really hardware related but i can be wrong


But even after disconnecting every USB Device closing multiple programs the Problem still persists..


i also have the slight feeling that the stuttering is less when the pc is not on for that long but i could be wrong

Edit: so the last things i can try now is.

Order a New GPU, RAM, and M.2 SSD and i already wrote be quiet because of my PSU, should i try to get a new m.2 ssd and ram and if yes can some recommend me something

 

[Shakallia]

Did you try disabling FTPM in the bios if you're on windows 10 ?

 

[Montelo]

Did you try disabling FTPM in the bios if you're on windows 10 ?

Yea did that already

 

[phanbuey]

just get a 14600k already, save yourself time.

Also league and CS:go don't stutter like that - that's not shader stutter.

 

[HD64G]

I have a weird opinion on what might be causing that problem.
Some games are old, not well made and aren't loading the 3d engine of the GPU so much. And thus, the CPU in turn drops every few seconds to low-load state until a load is occured again. Such game is Euro Truck Simulator 2. I need to scale above 200% on ultra settings to achieve stady framerate. I think that AMD drivers have lower CPU overhead than Nvidia ones and allow the CPU to drop its state every few seconds. I would try to run something in the back ground that loads at least a core whiule playing in order to test if that's the case for the OP. Maybe a 10-min singlethread cinebench test. Another possible solution is enabling the widget of XBOX while gaming. In my case, Dirt4 has constant periodical (every 3secs) stutters until I enable that widget. When the widget is on screen, the frametimes are ultra solid and where intended. Easy to try I think.

 

[io-waiter]

@Montelo this is a super weird thread and I feel four you OP.

I've had similar issues not a much lesser extent on a few occassions, but I fear most is already mentioned in the thread.
-CPU fan bad, CPU throttles and there are latency spikes.
-Bonkers USB device.
-OC that goes a bit to far.
-Storage device going bad.
Running hwinfo in the background to see if there are any windows hw errors or if you hit any suspicioulusly high temps is the only suggestion I can make.
I would also consider something being off with the GPU, that would though likely manifest in the frequenc patterns or as memory checksum errors, if you run memtest vulkan for 30 min does it give a nice consistent bandwith?

Then I have a complete hairbrained idea: The monitor scaler or possibly the cable, what happens if you mess around with vsync and resolution, monitor settings or even try another monitor.
And when I write this, I start to wonder if this is some sort of vsync or frame doubling by the monitor that causes this behaviour, it is not likely, but hey, all else is tried right =)
Also finaly wonder if capping the fps is the best way to ensure fluent gameplay, and I wold also uncap the fps for troubleshooting hw.

Best of luck!

 

[Montelo]

just get a 14600k already, save yourself time.

Also league and CS:go don't stutter like that - that's not shader stutter.

im wondering if that will change anything though, the 5700x3d is not bad cpu is it?

@Montelo this is a super weird thread and I feel four you OP.

I've had similar issues not a much lesser extent on a few occassions, but I fear most is already mentioned in the thread.
-CPU fan bad, CPU throttles and there are latency spikes.
-Bonkers USB device.
-OC that goes a bit to far.
-Storage device going bad.
Running hwinfo in the background to see if there are any windows hw errors or if you hit any suspicioulusly high temps is the only suggestion I can make.
I would also consider something being off with the GPU, that would though likely manifest in the frequenc patterns or as memory checksum errors, if you run memtest vulkan for 30 min does it give a nice consistent bandwith?

Then I have a complete hairbrained idea: The monitor scaler or possibly the cable, what happens if you mess around with vsync and resolution, monitor settings or even try another monitor.
And when I write this, I start to wonder if this is some sort of vsync or frame doubling by the monitor that causes this behaviour, it is not likely, but hey, all else is tried right =)
Also finaly wonder if capping the fps is the best way to ensure fluent gameplay, and I wold also uncap the fps for troubleshooting hw.

Best of luck!

CPU Fan is fine
I removed every USB Device
I never did any overclocking
I Tested 2 Storage devices Same problem

 

[agent_x007]

Q : Did limiting maximum FPS with extremal tools to 60FPS or 30FPS (ie. WAY lower than hardware is capable of), helped ?
Example : If you usually see around 120FPS+ - set maximum limit to 60FPS, and if you usually see ~60FPS - set limit to 30FPS.