Frametime spikes and stuttering after switching to AMD CPU?

[Montelo]

Q : Did limiting maximum FPS with extremal tools to 60FPS or 30FPS (ie. WAY lower than hardware is capable of), helped ?
Example : If you usually see around 120FPS+ - set maximum limit to 60FPS, and if you usually see ~60FPS - set limit to 30FPS.

That didnt help sadly I tried limiting the fps with nvidia and msi afterburner

 

[phanbuey]

the CPU isn't stuttering - something mixing with that platform is causing the stutter. By keeping the platform the same you're basically guaranteeing whatever the stutter is stays the same as well.

 

[Ivša]

I think the problem might be with the "faulty 3070 GPU", i know that you have a 1060, but can you test with samo other stronger GPU, maybe from a friend or somebody?
And also could you test your GPU in some other PC?

I had an 2600K paired with 3080 until few months ago, and i played almost all of the mentioned games with lower or medium settings and did not have stutters like that and that CPU is 10 years old.
For the mentioned games, the Ryzen 5600 and 3070 should not be a problem, especially with lower setting. I play LOL on my laptop with integrated GPU and 5625U CPU and it doesn't stutter, the settings are all on low and the FPS is around 70-80 but it doesnt stutter.
In my new PC now i have Ryzen 7700 and 3080 and everything flies i those type of games, the FPS is much higher but as i mentioned, it was stutter free on my old setup as it is on my new setup, just that i now have double the FPS.

You say that this did not happen with the Intel CPU, so its logical that the GPU is not a problem, but you mentioned that your motherboard broke, could it be that the GPU also "took a hit", what kind of failure did broke the motherboard, was is some sorte of electrical/power on-off issue that borked the motherboard?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I think the problem might be with the "faulty 3070 GPU", i know that you have a 1060, but can you test with samo other stronger GPU, maybe from a friend or somebody?
And also could you test your GPU in some other PC?

I had an 2600K paired with 3080 until few months ago, and i played almost all of the mentioned games with lower or medium settings and did not have stutters like that and that CPU is 10 years old.
For the mentioned games, the Ryzen 5600 and 3070 should not be a problem, especially with lower setting. I play LOL on my laptop with integrated GPU and 5625U CPU and it doesn't stutter, the settings are all on low and the FPS is around 70-80 but it doesnt stutter.
In my new PC now i have Ryzen 7700 and 3080 and everything flies i those type of games, the FPS is much higher but as i mentioned, it was stutter free on my old setup as it is on my new setup, just that i now have double the FPS.

You say that this did not happen with the Intel CPU, so its logical that the GPU is not a problem, but you mentioned that your motherboard broke, could it be that the GPU also "took a hit", what kind of failure did broke the motherboard, was is some sorte of electrical/power on-off issue that borked the motherboard?

He tried with a 9060XT which is comparable and had the same issues.


At this point the OP has swapped everything minus the power supply I believe.

 

[Ivša]

He tried with a 9060XT which is comparable and had the same issues.


At this point the OP has swapped everything minus the power supply I believe.

My bad, i skipped few pages in the whole readout of the thread.

Its really a dubious one, might be time to sell everything and just go with a whole new PC build.

 

[phanbuey]

He tried with a 9060XT which is comparable and had the same issues.


At this point the OP has swapped everything minus the power supply I believe.

Yeah it's kind of wild.

Literally the only thing that gives me hope is that he had the same system on the 11600k and that was stable/smooth.

I've definitely had those kinds of builds... where NOTHING you do works, until you kill it with fire.

 

[kenz0]

look bottom left numbers. I think you have packet loss/network issue.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah it's kind of wild.

Literally the only thing that gives me hope is that he had the same system on the 11600k and that was stable/smooth.

I've definitely had those kinds of builds... where NOTHING you do works, until you kill it with fire.

Honestly I've never dealt with this outside of software conflicts that where really easy to diagnose. My 5950X/5800X are some of the most stable smoothest gaming systems I've ever built and really only UE5 and heavy RT games that are very heavily reliant on a single render thread gave them issues. I'd honestly say AM5 has given me more minor headaches than AM4 post ryzen 3000 and I've done a ton of systems on each platform.

It's gotten to a point that I could have upgraded the 5800X system multiple times and don't feel the need lol becuase it's super stable and still gives the framerates I need it to. I have everything I need to swap it out in the closet minus the cpu lol.

It's always a bummer to see people having this issue but no platform is immune.

 

[phanbuey]

Honestly I've never dealt with this outside of software conflicts that where really easy to diagnose. My 5950X/5800X are some of the most stable smoothest gaming systems I've ever built and really only UE5 and heavy RT games that are very heavily reliant on a single render thread gave them issues. I'd honestly say AM5 has given me more minor headaches than AM4 post ryzen 3000 and I've done a ton of systems on each platform.

It's gotten to a point that I could have upgraded the 5800X system multiple times and don't feel the need lol becuase it's super stable and still gives the framerates I need it to. I have everything I need to swap it out in the closet lol.

It's always a bummer to see people having this issue but no platform is immune.

AM5 has been a nightmare for me... it feels so picky - if even one thing is wrong it stutters -- down to "Global C States" being on 'Auto' causing issues.

AM4 was great tbh - outside of that one 4070 build -- the 5950x w/ 4090 build still going strong. LGA1700 has been great -- about to do my first 265KF AR build tomorrow let's see how it handles Hogwarts Legacy (my go to game to test system stutters).

 

[Montelo]

its really weird idk, i tried Cyberpunk 2077 and i have no stutters at all somehow.

AM5 has been a nightmare for me... it feels so picky - if even one thing is wrong it stutters -- down to "Global C States" being on 'Auto' causing issues.

AM4 was great tbh - outside of that one 4070 build -- the 5950x w/ 4090 build still going strong. LGA1700 has been great -- about to do my first 265KF AR build tomorrow let's see how it handles Hogwarts Legacy (my go to game to test system stutters).

i also have Hogwarts legacy i could try that game aswell

 

[phanbuey]

its really weird idk, i tried Cyberpunk 2077 and i have no stutters at all somehow.

i also have Hogwarts legacy i could try that game aswell

CP 2077 hides stutters really well - it's actually now an insanely well optimized game.

You were right to use league and CSgo - those games are the best indicator that something is actually off since they will run smooth on a potato.

Hogwarts legacy is the opposite of CB2077 it will stutter at any possible excuse, and has huge jumbo shader comp and asset loads - if you can get that game to run even tolerably smooth you have yourself a really smooth rig.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

AM5 has been a nightmare for me... it feels so picky - if even one thing is wrong it stutters -- down to "Global C States" being on 'Auto' causing issues.

AM4 was great tbh - outside of that one 4070 build -- the 5950x w/ 4090 build still going strong. LGA1700 has been great -- about to do my first 265KF AR build tomorrow let's see how it handles Hogwarts Legacy (my go to game to test system stutters).

Honestly X3D on AM5 has been more annoying for me all the non X3D systems I have done have been easy to the point I can even let windows update the drivers and not have any issues. It's gotten to the point that I probably will get a Zen6 non X3D chip for my secondary system assuming they are on AM5 lol.

CP 2077 hides stutters really well - it's actually now an insanely well optimized game.

You were right to use league and CSgo - those games are the best indicator that something is actually off since they will run smooth on an actual potato.

Hogwarts legacy is the opposite of CB2077 it will stutter at any possible excuse, and has huge jumbo shader comp and asset loads - if you can get that game to run even tolerably smooth you have yourself a really smooth rig.

I hear you on that but if it was a hardware fault it would happen in every game and usually optimized games are best to get a baseline to make sure you are not wasting too much time troubleshooting.


The problem with online games is they introduce extra variables like your network connection your line to the network tap and your ISP not being Fing stupid on top of all that.

 

[phanbuey]

Honestly X3D on AM5 has been more annoying for me all the non X3D systems I have done have been easy to the point I can even let windows update the drivers and not have any issues. It's gotten to the point that I probably will get a Zen6 non X3D chip for my secondary system assuming they are on AM5 lol.




I hear you on that but if it was a hardware fault it would happen in every game and usually optimized games are best to get a baseline to make sure you are not wasting too much time troubleshooting.


The problem with online games is they introduce extra variables like your network connection your line to the network tap and your ISP not being Fing stupid on top of all that.

dude now that you mention it-- there was a member here that solved his stutters by turning the wifi off on their TV -- apparently the tv and the router were trying to connect to the rig every few seconds and the UPNP was throwing stutters across the network.

 

[Montelo]

i tried warzone now and it stutters aswell its not unplayable but really annoying

 

[icei30y]

I also have frametime spikes. I bought a brand new PC, I built it with my own hands and I get these kind of issues.

My specs are:
B650 MAG Tomahawk
7800x3d
2x16GB 6000Mhz CL30
4080 Super
SN850X 1TB
SN850X 4TB
RM850X Shift
Corsair 5000D Airflow
Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 5

Im in the same boat as u. Tried everything. If u find an answer please let me know, I'm struggling for a year...

 

[NoglaCBT]

Yea i have same frametime spikes for 6 months, tried everything at this point, i changed every part of my pc and it still does it. I am almost certain it is some kind of software issue/conflict. Would be cool if you guys find any solution.

Specs:
MSI b550 pro gaming plus
Ryzen 7 5700x (stuttered on 5 5600g too)
32 gb 3600 mhz cl18
Rx 7600(stuttered on rtx 4060 too)
Corsair 600W

 

[Makalite]

As someone who moved from a 5800X to a 14600K, stuttering is not an issue hardware level wise.
Now I find some games just need optimisation if I wish to play them (Mostly old titles).

I run this build under Linux most of the time simply because out of the box it uses the wrappers which help in Windows anyway and these are highly specialised by the likes of the CachyOS team and Glorious Egg Roll.

On new games never an issue unless it is Unreal engine. All Unreal games work better under Linux for the reason outlined about translating DirectX to Vulkan.

AMD GPU user though here with an XTX.

 

[Makalite]

i tried warzone now and it stutters aswell its not unplayable but really annoying

Not sure if it will work for other COD games, but I put up a fix for Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War.

Steam Community :: Guide :: Stuttering & texture issue fixes.

Fixes for Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War to get the best playable experience regardless of hardware. ...

steamcommunity.com

 

[Montelo]

dude now that you mention it-- there was a member here that solved his stutters by turning the wifi off on their TV -- apparently the tv and the router were trying to connect to the rig every few seconds and the UPNP was throwing stutters across the network.

should i try intel now or would it be wasted? and if yes then the 14600k is sadly out of stock here does the 13600k work?

Not sure if it will work for other COD games, but I put up a fix for Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War.

Steam Community :: Guide :: Stuttering & texture issue fixes.

Fixes for Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War to get the best playable experience regardless of hardware. ...

steamcommunity.com

sometimes it runs fine and sometimes not i had a few rounds that worked normal out of nowhere idk why

 

[phanbuey]

should i try intel now or would it be wasted? and if yes then the 14600k is sadly out of stock here does the 13600k work?


sometimes it runs fine and sometimes not i had a few rounds that worked normal out of nowhere idk why

yes 13600k will work.

 

[xSneak]

I was getting worse random stutters before and it ended up being my glorious i2 wireless mouse (even when it was plugged in via usb.) imo try a different mouse and make sure you have it set to max 1000hz refresh rate.
I would pull out every usb device except for m&k, try using different m&k also to check. Make sure your mouse is plugged into a usb port that is wired directly to your cpu instead of the chipset.

Try different "low latency" mode setting in nvidia cp. I don't think it will mattter but you seem like you need to try anything at this point.

 

[Montelo]

I was getting worse random stutters before and it ended up being my glorious i2 wireless mouse (even when it was plugged in via usb.) imo try a different mouse and make sure you have it set to max 1000hz refresh rate.
I would pull out every usb device except for m&k, try using different m&k also to check. Make sure your mouse is plugged into a usb port that is wired directly to your cpu instead of the chipset.

Try different "low latency" mode setting in nvidia cp. I don't think it will mattter but you seem like you need to try anything at this point.

i tried that

 

[xSneak]

I didn't read through the whole thread so maybe you have already tried this stuff:

1. Disable AMD fTPM in bios

2. Turn off memory integrity security feature under core isolation in windows

3. Turn off "Virtual Machine Platform" in windows features

4. Disable HPET
To correct this, run these 3 commands in PowerShell as administrator and restart:

bcdedit /set useplatformtick yes
bcdedit /set disabledynamictick yes
bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock

5. Enable PBO under AMD overclock settings in your bios

6. Verify your gpu is running at pcie 16x

7. Can you show a screenshot from zentimings of your memory settings?

ZenTimings

ZenTimings is a simple and lightweight app for monitoring memory timings on Ryzen platform.

zentimings.com

I honestly wonder if it's just using a 6 core cpu instead of an 8 core causing the problem. I've played on a 3600x, 5800x, 5800x3d and I never remember micro stutters like what you show in those video clips.